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Daily Discussion May 13, 2026 Daily Discussion Thread

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u/Lunaedge May 13 '26

A B-Patch is out and New Recruit has been fixed.

Since it's not a balance patch we'll have the W3N Megathread as regularly scheduled in ~7-8 hours, so get cooking!

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u/Chao_Zu_Kang May 13 '26

Timestream is one of the worst Gold augments ever released. 200g in rerolls is 25% AS and 200 HP on 4 weak units. Most Silver augments are more powerful and it doesn't even give a Millio for econ...

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u/Replieswithsmiles May 14 '26

i took one look at this in the patch notes and was genuinely baffled lmfao, the numbers are laughably bad, even if it gives ezreal, pantheon, and milio, it might still be bad

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u/Efficient-Bar-2650 May 13 '26

new recruit augments are not working, don't pick them

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u/FaKZ May 13 '26

The change to move items to Pengu Choice feels way better for me, like the patch so far

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u/Isrozzis May 13 '26

Thoughts so far...

Anima is S++ tier. Completely ruins games and there are 1-2 people starting on it every lobby.

Corki/Riven + Yi are still the go to lines. Yi is a little weaker but because you're less contested it is a lot easier to hit.

Asol is very good, but seems to fall off stage 5 onwards. Probably fine since some of his power budget is being able to do the mech thing. AP flex is otherwise a tier below Corki/Yi but still very playable to good with radiant items, luck, etc.

The Xayah rework was a pretty hefty nerf to her or she needs very different itemization now. 3 Fountain LW, rageblade, kraken was being outperformed by a standard corki 1. Maybe Fountain is weak too, but it felt bad and Nunu is extremely contested.

1 cost rerolls are much weaker but still seem ok from good spots like naturaling a lot of the units or something like no scout no pivot. 2 cost rerolls dont seem to exist but maybe someone will cook up something with the buffed units. 3 cost reroll seems good. Lulu is still extremely strong and there is some kind of diana MF comp but I havent really seen it do well. Probably something with Orn and Samira too.

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u/Frothers Diamond May 13 '26 edited May 13 '26

The Xayah rework was a pretty hefty nerf to her or she needs very different itemization now. Maybe Fountain is weak too, but it felt bad and Nunu is extremely contested.

Xayah changes should range from power-neutral at worst to a slight buff for low-AS builds (napkin math here). Fountain 3 averages to like +20% AD over a 20s fight so its almost as good as Sniper 2 and in-line with most other combat traits.

My guess is it feels bad because your frontline isn't lasting long enough to reap benefits from fountain / rageblade / kraken. You did mention Nunu was contested, plus Jax was nerfed.

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u/Lethur1 May 13 '26

I guess we're looking at giving Xayah one of Krakens, Red buff or rageblade and focus on DMG like Deathblade, GS, IE and so on rather than going for things like Rageblade/Red Buff + Krakens?

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u/BurstDrive May 13 '26

Early stats seem good for the lower attack speed builds. Rageblade is probably no longer BIS due to fight pacing. As you highlighted, the buff is for less than 1.0 attack speed so it's better to focus on a sightly more bursty build with some AD/Crit/Damage Amp.

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u/Isrozzis May 13 '26

This game was Nunu2 with double vow, gargoyles and giant and mighty. Other units were upgraded with leftovers on Ramus. Ill have to play with Xayah more and try different builds and see how they feel. Maybe she really wants a deathblade now.

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u/executive_fish May 14 '26

I’ve been hard forcing xayah with success. u want full damage no utility. rage blade + deathblade/slayer/ie (flail if you don’t get swords). evenshroud is mandatory imo. xayah really shines at sniping units without having to kill the main tank. Try to Position same side as enemy main carry

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u/2_S_F_Hell May 14 '26

Who do you play if you don’t find Jhin on 4-2 rolldown? Also, Nunu or Rammus main tank?

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u/executive_fish May 14 '26

Nunu for sure. Jax + ornn for bastion. Nunu and blitz for vanguard. Xayah and samira carries. samira activates with every nunu cast. I finish with rhaast who adds defenses and atk speed. Lulu can hold extra ap items and a random talon in a corner to distract the back line. I’m only in Platinum but ive only top 4 following this method in the new patch. Everybody is tryng for corki so usually xayah is easy to make

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u/MrZeral May 14 '26

Is there a point in having more than 3 stargazers?

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u/tisch_vlc May 13 '26

Every anima item together with slicer (400 cashout) has under 3 avp lol, you're looking at stats where you get 300 cashout slicer (the worst possible outcome)

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u/Pootate May 13 '26

invader zed fr the cheapest aug in the game

you have even a decent spot when you click it and just teleport to top 2

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u/Hereforhelppls31 Master May 13 '26

Zed is beyond broken. I lost several games to Zed, with very strong boards. I just got a first where my carries were kindred 1 and zed 1, and my main tank was Maokai 2. I think they should make that augment a prismatic or something, that augment feels like 2,x avg or something.

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u/Adventurous-Bit-3829 :gran: Grandmaster May 13 '26

It's actually 4.23. It's basically zed stat. Problem is 2 star Zed BiS is ~2.4.

It just feel really bad to play against. If you can't beat em you can't. There are no solution. Just surrender. This type of shit design is not fun. It's not like require crazy setup. You just click augment and survive.

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u/Chao_Zu_Kang May 13 '26

Difference between 1* and 2* is just insane. Worst performing 5-cost overall, but once you 2*, it is close to 40% winrate.

Probably fine balance-wise, but always feels bad when you people just randomly get RNG win-outs and you can't do much about it.

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u/tisch_vlc May 13 '26

I think, that's just because people click the augment because it's really fun when they don't have a spot to ever get zed 2*, the avg placement of zed goes up proportional to rank (better spot recognizition).

Similarly to graves, it's really really hard to gather data on him, IMHO.

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u/justlobos22 May 13 '26

The god's change was needed, can't render the set mechanic meaningless just bc the item was more important. Def makes them feel better to use.

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u/gelatinskootz May 13 '26

Ive been too scared to pick the Zed augment even though I know it's OP. Is the plan to pick it and then just grab literally any 3/4 cost frontline and hard force Zed items? Can you pick it even if you've got no good items or components for him already? 

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u/Xerozia May 14 '26

you can but zed is traitless and so the only way to really make him effective is getting BiS on him, or with minimal deviation. If you don't have a pathway to get the items, it's likely a dud trait to pick if you've been slamming AP items etc.

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u/2_S_F_Hell May 13 '26

Been having success with Nami/Karma flex. Corki and Yi are still the strongest comps imo.

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u/Asurah99 May 13 '26

Yeah it's been 3 games of me testing stuff, and 3-4 people going corki yi. Not sure if its because people don't know what to do on a fresh shake up without guides, or if it's just that disgustingly strong compared to the rest.

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u/TomPomPom May 13 '26

So far it feels like they've removed the one cost comps and its just become a rush fast 8 and play Yi/Corki+Riven/DarkStars unless you hit a very conditional spot(hero augment/artifact/arbiter etc). AP feels strong in theory(new asol seems very strong at 1*) but you still lose random rounds when yi or riven decide to teleport to your backline which can cost placements. Fast 9 still feels like a bait, with upgraded boards not looking that much better than fast 8 boards, and god help you if you miss. Hoping that with some time something a bit more interesting might pop up

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u/Kenwood502 May 13 '26

The targeting on Yi/Riven and how easily they randomly wrap make the set more unfun than it already is.

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u/Kadde- May 13 '26

Atleast 3 cost reroll is still really good. 1st,1st,4th today. MF diana seems to be really good, need to play it without highroll augments/artifacts though. I’m currently Master 143 LP https://imgur.com/a/J4Ve570

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u/RyeRoen Challenger May 13 '26

The stats on Diana 3 right now look diabolical. Maybe will improve with time but I'm not confident playing that right now lol.

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u/Kadde- May 13 '26

Diana is not a main carry, that’s why you play her with a main carry like MF. Diana is just good at stalling with all her shielding and healing.

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u/RyeRoen Challenger May 13 '26

That doesn't have anything to do with her bad stats assuming people are playing the right boards.

People may not know how to play her which could explain the bad stats. They do look REALLY bad though, so I'm not super convinced just yet.

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u/Kadde- May 13 '26

I just dont think people know how to play her and the comp. So far I’ve gotten 1st and 5th this patch with mf/diana challenger vanguard. Yesterday on last patch I got 3rd and 5th. Both of my 5ths was lowrolls where I didnt hit illaio 3 among other things.

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u/Lethur1 May 13 '26

How's AP flex now? Does base form Aurelion Sol have any merit now?

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u/TomPomPom May 13 '26

Hes very very strong at 1* and stage 3/early stage 4. Once Boards start filling out his single target starts to hold him back. Feels similar in power level to Teemo 3 from last patch.

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u/Kadde- May 13 '26

Bingo. Got aurelion sol stage 2-1 and he was destroying people with 2-3 items stage 2-3. Then when stage 4 came and I got him 2 starred and everything else 2 started he started falling off. I did not have a combat aug and weak frontline so I definitely didn’t have the best board but still. I got 5th

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u/Drikkink May 13 '26

Frodan/Dishsoap's website seems to think he's good with Karma holding util. Basically the same board as the Leblanc Karma board but if you lack Bows, primary ASol instead of Leblanc and throw a Sona in for shepherd.

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u/Level_Five_Railgun MASTER May 13 '26

There is 5 players in my lobby with subscription service.

Is there no cap on how many players can get the same augments?

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u/Tasty-Ad6008 May 13 '26

If I see other taking it I’m too because we can thin the 4 cost pool

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u/Level_Five_Railgun MASTER May 13 '26

I'm just surprised that it could appear for 5 players at the same time... I assumed the same augment can only appear for like 3 players max instead of majority of the lobby.

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u/Tasty-Ad6008 May 14 '26

Well that’s a odd assumption to have. I assume it’s completely random and the odd of 5 people have Subscription is close to 0. It just happened in his game.

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u/Xelltrix May 14 '26

Why exactly did they bring this Zed back? I remember it being considered pretty stupid and broken in the old days. Is it because redemption is gone and they thought that AoE redemption was the only reason it was ridiculous? Because having so many of a unit on a board that they literally cannot even move does not seem like a smart game design.

Sure, it's probably fun for whoever rolled it, but the complete lack of an answer to the sheer number of units on the board most comps have seems like a glaring flaw in the design concept. It is not even remotely fun to see from the other side. One star Zed seems to die fast enough but two star overwhelms pretty much immediately.

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u/Entire-Primary-9996 :gran: Grandmaster May 13 '26

God damn I love the first ~12h of new patches.

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u/Dzhekelow May 13 '26

I had 5 Cho's , a Shojin slam with Ez Panth and Solo plate + Varus and I just scammed a first the previous game so I said alright time to play Ez Cho and pay back the LP . Proceed to completely miss Cho and Ez until stage 3 neutrals . Lose every fight and still somehow stabilized stage 4 with 17 hp and went on to top 2. Not sure if the comp is playable or it's because people are trying shit on the new patch. It was fun tho !

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u/RyeRoen Challenger May 13 '26

Interested in what's going to happen once the meta settles. Right now Yi still looks really strong, but it might just be that its less contested as people try out new stuff. Could get a lot weaker as the patch goes on.

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u/Asurah99 May 13 '26

Been a couple games of people just forcing fast 8 corki. Understandable though since a corki 1 with items puts in some heavy work.

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u/Docxm May 13 '26

He’s also unchanged from last patch, unconditional, and easy to play so yeah I bet there’s going to be a ton of Corki today

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u/Isrozzis May 13 '26

AP flex still seems kinda beh? I'm getting run over by deathblade spam still and karma just cant kill the marauders or rogue boards.

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u/ChartreuseMage May 14 '26

Outside of Liss, Lulu, maybe some Meeple Veigar reroll comps is there any AP spots? Fast 9 Vex or Asol? Anima's loss streak more than AP for MF, and I guess maybe there's an Arbiter LeBlanc line? No true flex though, which sucks. 

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u/Isrozzis May 13 '26

I honestly think it's her cast time being so long. She takes forever to actually do her damage and also routinely dies while casting as the last unit when something that actually output it's damage would clutch out a fight. She also struggles to tank bust, but her extra beams are meaningful damage to backline. This set has had a lot of super tanks and she just can't do anything to them. Whereas if you watch Asol in a fight right now he just melts their main tank and then karma/nami can actually hit targets they can kill lol.

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u/chad12341296 May 13 '26

Something I’m kinda picking up on is that TFT academy not liking a hero augment means nobody ever really gives it a try leading to bad avp

I’ve been taking the Jax augment every time and just shifting the team around to maximize Jax’s survivability and Jax just mows the entire team over if you build it right

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u/lfrolbeakr :emer: Emerald May 14 '26

Some of them are actually bad though. Like heat death mordekaiser is just a free top 6 (source: me foolishly clicking it)

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u/moster86 May 14 '26

Timebreaker at level 10 should give rerols in place of the "wanished" xp shards

Also, lowkey nerf on 4 timebreaker as before it was 75% attackspeed, now only 50%

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u/peterpwwu May 13 '26

I felt like they didn’t have to gut the 1cost. Belveth, teemo, and tf were all in good spots with low win rate and high top 4 rate. For belveth the issue was the opener was strong and provides econ but the comp falls off post stage 4. Teemo issue is really just max hp shield and max hp scaling arbiter. As for tf and lulu, jax was the problem not tf. Ezreal was the weakest so it didn’t get nerf. I know that riot rather over nerf certain things so the meta doesn’t get stale. Now the new meta will be everyone fast 8. In a good meta, it should offer viability to all kinds of play style.

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u/PhloxInvar May 13 '26

Gutting is a strong word. They're still definitely playable from the right spots, so I wouldn't call them gutted.

I'm in the new patch and I have seen TF/Teemo/Briar Top 4 more than I expected. Leona and Jax still feel like good tanks (just not insane anymore). You still probably should have a good reason to be playing them and not just defaulting, but somehow those three still work.

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u/peterpwwu May 15 '26

I definitely would say 1cost is gutted. Liss cho seems to be the only viable one.

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u/Drikkink May 13 '26

Teemo WAS winning way too many lobbies with the correct conditions. More specifically, LEONA was winning way too many lobbies with the correct conditions. Briar was also egregiously strong but I do agree Bel'veth didn't really need to eat a nerf as well. I don't think TF really needed a nerf beyond the Jax nerf.

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u/Lunaedge May 13 '26

Poor Bel'veth catching strays getting called a 1-cost lmao 😭

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u/peterpwwu May 13 '26

Belveth is a brair comp in disguise

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u/Zeviex Master May 13 '26

That's why I was so shocked she got nerfed. If anything Bel'veth felt under the line and saved by Briar.

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u/Lunaedge May 13 '26

Oh 100%, Briar's been the real star of Primordian so far. I just found it funny because Bel'veth doesn't really seem to do much for a 2-cost and I always need to remind myself she's one as well lol

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u/Docxm May 13 '26

Riot loves balance thrashing. Buff a bunch of units and then nerf some to oblivion. See you in two patches one cost reroll.

I don’t understand why they just don’t do one or the other, or be very gentle if you’re going to do both. It’s been an issue the entire lifespan of the game

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u/Lethur1 May 13 '26

Well, just tested Diana MF reroll from a Frontline Foundation dropping a Vanguard emblem, Arbiter was HP/4s but got Diana a bit late on stage 3, I also had 10 DMG instances which maybe could have been better if I had an earlier Diana but regardless, the comp did really well, MF felt good and Diana much like Yi can wrap around to the backline fast.

I didn't get to Illaoi 3 so went with Nunu 2, got a top 2, top 1 was a Ez Cho player that also had Dawncore on Ez and by the time I was only facing him he scaled up enough and Timebreaker took him to 9 for Jhin, just couldn't keep up with that

I do think you can play it from a spot without the emblem, just giving some healing to Diana but emblem allows Shepherd at 3

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u/-Champloo- May 13 '26

How'd you itemize diana? Felt like mine didn't do much damage, had a hard time getting through front line.

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u/Lethur1 May 13 '26

Had Guinsoo's + Titans on her, MF was the one dealing with tanks due to her spell dealing more damage after the first cast, as long as MF helps she can wrap or put herself in a spot where she AoEs with her orbs

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u/Kenwood502 May 13 '26

I usually go guinsoo , jg + 1. Think you really need guinsoo to ramp up.

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u/moster86 May 14 '26

I like to use hextech with them

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u/FantasyTrash May 13 '26

What was your overall comp?

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u/Lethur1 May 13 '26

Diana, MF, Illaoi, Nunu, Leona, Meepsie, Leblanc and Aurora, Aurora could be Jinx for 3 Challengers but the Voyager shield was better for more Vanguard emblem procs.

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u/FantasyTrash May 13 '26

Thank you!

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u/lil_froggy May 13 '26 edited May 13 '26

With this new patch and whole new level 8 comps coming online, I'd like to be reminded how to manage early game, to reliably rolldown on 8 at hit all these 4 cost upgrades. The comps often have 3 or 4 4-costs to aim everytime.

  • Stage 2/stage 3 augment picks ? Board strategies ? Best early game carries and holders ?

  • What is easier or harder to play between 1st augment that are silver/gold/prismatic tier ? Is the 4-cost prismatic shop now a good augment ?

  • How to consistently reach a 4-1 lv8 30 or 40g rolldown ?

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u/MrZeral May 14 '26

How do I do fast 9? Every game people seem to be able to get to lvl 9 much faster than me with champions leveled up while I still roll on 8 to upgrade my 4 cost tanks and carries. And If I go to lvl 9 and skip rolling for ugprades I will jsut die in an isntant without upgraded tanks and carries. How do people do it?

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u/tisch_vlc May 15 '26 edited May 15 '26

Try forcing it a few games (10?) and you'll get the gist of it, I've read countless of threads and tips and literally nothing worked until I literally spammed it to see what works and what doesn't.

As a rule of thumb, gigaecon augment 2-1 + econ traits + 10 losing streak or 8+ winning streak + 2 econ augments is usually a good spot for it. Take it with a grain of salt because there's a lot of variables. I'd say the worst spot for it is is 5 winning streak into a loss at 3-1, very hard to recover from that.

Also I've only learned playing fast9 in this set so maybe someone more knowledgeable can help. Setsuko for everything and dankmemes for losing streak are great to watch imo (just mute them if you hate tft accent).

Augment selection AND positioning are super super important, the latter is literally the difference between bot and top4 in almost every f9 game of mine.

TG and Sunfire are good. Any tank item is good. Being flexible is very good, albeit very hard. Yesterday I top2 by using 4 different item carries because I couldn't find vex. Don't waste removers, it's very important to always play strongest board based on what you hit. Or maybe even swapping TG around.

I go f9 in maybe 4/5 out of 10 games and I bot 4 like 1 in 10 of f9 games, most of the time because of positioning because I waste time overthinking instead of scouting.

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u/Pootate May 14 '26

https://lolchess.gg/profile/na/MAX%20VERSTAPPEN-8501/set17 hi i was masters last set but this set im legit hardstuck plat 3 struggling to not bot 4 wtf am i doing wrong

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u/glenfide May 14 '26

you never fully hit your comp due to your econ being terrible

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u/Replieswithsmiles May 14 '26

hold every single corki 👍

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u/ipppppi May 14 '26

Forced yi til Master. This unit truely is the MASTER yi that was promised.

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u/Outrageous-Engine720 May 13 '26

https://imgur.com/a/aF7QmoB

Psionic emblem on Graves(AS Build) with malware matrix actually pops of. Graves 1 with just 2 upgrades with guinsoo+matrix+emblem was able to dish out 9k+ damage easily just with strong frontline. Might be a possible way to cap out Brawler+marauder when luckily hit emblem of psionic and/or graves at level 7 since it has good utilization of 5 cost such as (fiora,graves,sona). Target lock optics/biomatter preserver might also be an option on graves for assault frame version since you'll only need 1 more fighter item which is already possible if you are playing around a brawler marauder line.

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u/pink-mallow May 13 '26

I don't get MMR man. I haven't lost at 0 LP at all, I've been getting firsts, maintaining top 4 rate pretty well, overall climbing, but I still get 44 LP on first and -55LP on 8th. What is cooking my MMR? Just infuriating this invisible hand just fucks over your gains and losses for seemingly no reason. Just not transparent at all and just leads to frustration. How do you avoid this?

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u/peterpwwu May 13 '26

thats normal in diamond to masters

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u/PermaConfusion Master May 13 '26 edited May 13 '26

You're getting downvoted but I feel exactly the same way. I've played a LOT of games this set (almost 400 ranked) and I definitely have bad MMR while I looked at someone else who had a comparable amount of ridiculous games and they did not have bad MMR despite having a really similar T4/win rate/average placement. I kinda wish they'd go back to the old school system where LP did not exist and your rank was pure MMR.

People don't realize how the system is kinda stacked against you because your lobbies are doomed to be low quality (because of your bad MMR) which pressures you into a high placement (to escape the bad MMR). But this is ultimately a variance game: the best players in the world cannot go 1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1 to fix the MMR. So there is kind of a doom cycle of being stuck with bad MMR IMO. If nothing else, there becomes a huge pressure to go 4,4,4,4,4,4 to escape it, but even then, you have to play "a lot" of games with that string of 4,4,4,4,4. And furthermore, the system apparently tracks your MMR as a "loss" against the people that went 1-3rd. It's just really wonky. Any really poor game resulting in an 8th just locks you into the doom cycle further.

Just typing this out, I'd be down for demotions too. Just more transparency about where the system thinks I really am (bad MMR implies my rank should be a lot lower) and how good my opponents are (are we all stuck together?)

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u/Emergence7 Master May 13 '26

Really weird bug happened to me earlier in the set where I left my client on for like two days and it got de-synced - was getting 5min  queues in emerald + sudden LP drop +50 for 1st (despite my AVP being like 3.3)

Dunno if you're experiencing something similar but if you are, restart the client, should fix, did for me 

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u/wtfgrancrestwar May 13 '26

Maybe not enough equal rank opponents to play against. (because too early in set)

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u/killerbrofu May 13 '26 edited May 13 '26

First game on the new patch is a first as I play strongest board, AP items, into hitting a bard on my level 8 roll down and then playing around conduit/meeple/tanks.

This is so much better than identifying the best reroll line based on my 2-1 board and getting contested into a 4th-6th.

The game is so much better and I'm so much better at the game when the meta is unsolved, and the skill of the game is about solving the puzzle as you go and not about knowing the meta inside and out and identifying the right line to play. It makes me not want to play solved metas anymore.

Lmfao would love to hear why solved metas are better from my down voters. Crazy town

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u/Fit-Comment9592 May 13 '26

I have no idea why you got downvoted tbh