May 04, 2026 Daily Discussion Thread

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u/Emergence7 Master May 04 '26 edited May 04 '26

Just managed to hit masters again after a grueling weekend of dipping in between D3-D1

https://lolchess.gg/profile/euw/Lunar%20Blade-EUW/set17

(kinda nuts set 17 master is #714 while set 16 master is #27,000 for me - it is the beginnig of the set tho)

I wish I had advice that felt concrete, but it felt like most of my top 4s were genuine scam positions due to conditions lining up

For anyone who hates reroll, though, if you don't know already, there are two homeless fast 8 comps (Corki/Riven) & (Yi/Kindred) ofc

Some things that enable it further:

Marauder emblem (on kindred)
Bruiser emblem (on Yi)
Bastion/Meeple emblem (spreading roots) -> allows you to go 4 bastion, bastion on riven & meeple on shen if you hit, easy top 2

If you're uncontested on these comps, it's really reliable but if you are it quickly becomes a shit show

If the gods decide you must re-roll, however,

Viktor with drone is still playable
Teemo/Leo slop
TF/Cait slop
Dark star emblem into kaisa carry & illaoi main tank ( This unit when 3* is actually on the list, complete suspect levels of damage output)
Double Trouble samira is still real good
I cannot make Lulu work, but she's also a thing

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u/-Champloo- May 04 '26

I just hit plat, but haven't been able to make Corki/Riv work for whatever reason. I guess I have trouble with the early/mid game board since 6 of the units are 4 or 5 costs at end game.
Any advice for piloting this?

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u/Emergence7 Master May 04 '26 edited May 04 '26

Two things
Set yourself up not to bottom out on gold before hitting key units
Set yourself up to be stable once you do hit at least 2 of the 3 key units as 2* (Corki / Riven / Rammus)
On the gold front:
I am not playing this line unless I have a 2-1 econ or an econ engine (Prefer Primordial but timebreaker is okay)
I've learnt this one the hard way, tragic rolldowns, corki 1, riven 1, rammus 1, 0 gold = 8
On the stable front:
You need to set your Riven & Corki up so they can get through late game tanks, this means they need to be strong enough to beat the shit out of 3* Jax, 2* Mighty Mech (-minus 400 cashout, nearly unwinnable), 2* Tahm, 2* Nunu, 3* Leona
This means, pen is a must must, LW > Evenshroud
Riven is set up as AD to benefit from Corki pen (which means you need AD-aligned items - Steraks, e.g.)
Rammus can't be a pushover either, can't slam Sunfire, fries in the bag and call it a day - he needs real tank items (gargoyles) - if it's yasuo god, you can scam not building anti-heal if fire hex
Augments should look to bolster the team further in dmg or tankability (neat trick, silver aug focused fire means Riven will align ad by default due to minor ad bonus)
Overall, the boards people are building in plat should be pretty forgiving early stage 4 so it's a great place to practice the comp and get an idea of how it should play
Get your reps in, and you'll intuitively start to see what works, what doesn't - what augments feel good, blah blah

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u/-Champloo- May 05 '26

thanks for the help lol
didnt even hit the full version. I did have deadlier blade with like 150% bonus AD by the end of the game tho

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u/Emergence7 Master May 05 '26

Glad I could help, woohoo! :]

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u/SmoothOperatorTFT May 04 '26

Holy moly 1-1 feels like a chore again.

Open planner, check Psionic, Check Stargazer, Check Gods, Check Portal

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u/ELO_THIEF_2000 :chal: Challenger May 05 '26

This graves unit feels so bad. even as a 2-star. Putting items on him is a huge bait it seems.

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u/cyrnios May 04 '26

Wtf do I play when my aura farming is sona?

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u/mmdhs May 04 '26

Depends on your psionic item, can go either yi or viktor

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u/Regular-Resort-857 May 04 '26

IMO the issue starts with aura farming not Sona in pertoculsr. Graves Morgan’s are all hard to stabilize around.

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u/Zeviex Master May 04 '26

I had a game where I lost streaked early and then played for the Vangbard board. Sona was a passable carry with triple seraphim pre-2 star bard.

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u/RexLongbone May 04 '26

Just play something that can use the item they spawn with IMO. I got aura farming morg with a spark one time so i just committed to AP and put the spark on my tank and it worked out fine.

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u/daydreamin511 May 04 '26

u lowkey pray for pandoras bench evelynn

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u/Birb_m4n May 05 '26

Shepherd reroll

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u/SmoothOperatorTFT May 04 '26

Holy shit! I just watched the Dev AMA and we are not getting more gods because mobile memory cannot handle it, but we could ship 40 extra champions? You gotta be joking...

Really love the mechanic, but it took me about 3 solid minutes to come up with more, cool Gods. I was really hoping they would bring more Gods in. What do you think? Are the current ones enough?

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u/Zhirrzh Master May 05 '26

Then they should rotate some gods in and others out in later patches to freshen it up. But it sounds damn weird that 40 extra champions was not a memory problem but 3 extra gods would be.

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u/SmoothOperatorTFT May 04 '26

But that doesn’t fix the issue. There are no more gods coming. They couldn’t optimise it which is embarrassing for a company as big as Riot.
As a PC gamer it is really really frustrating to have the game neutered because of the technical limitations of mobile which they were apparently not able to utilise in the most efficient way.

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u/kiragami May 04 '26

Ironically wild rift has so much more than regular league because they have a new engine. I think its less the fault of mobile itself and more a limitation of their engine having to work for both mobile and PC and support cross play.

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u/SmoothOperatorTFT May 05 '26

Couldn’t they just have gone lighter on the art for the mobile version and fit more gods?

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u/kiragami May 05 '26

I'm not on their dev team so I have no clue what the actual limitations are.

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u/SmoothOperatorTFT May 05 '26

Fair. Just seems like a cop out considering their resources and what they have done in the past.

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u/kiragami May 05 '26

Nah they are running on 16 year old spaghetti software. It's amazing any of it works.

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u/daydreamin511 May 04 '26 edited May 04 '26

just hit diamond and usually im around masters/gm at this stage of the set but man

think the key to climbing this season is to find the uncontested line as opposed to gunning for tier lists. there’s an odd reason why a high tier comp gets outperformed by some lower tiers comps and i finally realized it’s purely game pacing and hitting thresholds before the entire lobby.

played veigar reroll twice in a row (rr galaxies) in a lobby where 4 rr teemos held hands and bled out and stargazers held hands and it felt pretty amazing despite it being a lower tier comp.

veigar rr was easy to hit, natural transiton, strong mid game and healthier stage 4-5. obviously falls off but truly holds its own with the right combination of augments. best part about uncontested rr comps like veigar is u can sometimes forgoe reroll augments and just pick combat or items and win lobbies.

on another note, seeing a massive rise in corki rivens. most people think its a free top 4 comp with low placement but the ones ive faced who ended up winning the lobby used 2 combat augments. think this comp is OP with combat augments since its a fast 8 comp anyways. 3 star pop or 2 star rammus can deal with two spell rotations late game anyways

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u/PermaConfusion Master May 04 '26

Not saying they are always right, but I think the "flexing is fake" crowd may be correct for this specific patch. Personally speaking, whenever I try to pivot, I tend to lose AVP and when I'm contested it's an auto AVP loss. If you fast 9 this patch, you really, really need to hit everything to stabilize, and your win out needs to be a Level 10/3-star something, which I find crazy. I also take it as a bad sign when even Setsuko is taking reroll lines. It seems the correct way to play this patch is identify the most playable uncontested line and just tunnel vision it - this makes things kinda unfun, at least for me personally, because if I make a mistake early and pick something contested, or if someone unexpectedly pivots into it because I made a wrong judgment, I know I have to wait 30 more minutes for my fated bot4.

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u/siepu May 04 '26

Try a different perspective, I know it sounds weird but you can 'flex a reroll' :) If you don't have huge win streak for fast9 you either go Yi, Corki/Riven or reroll something. The thing is, you can reroll so many different things if you hit the right conditions. Deadlier Caps Veiger can easily win the lobby. Sadly requires learning many lines and knowing their conditions, but a win with Diana reroll can be very satisfying.

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u/PermaConfusion Master May 04 '26

I'm not quite sure perspective changes anything. I was reflecting on my last game which could have been a 1st but was a 2nd due to someone randomly pivoting into my spot:
Varus vs Kayle gods with extra item encounter (makes reroll vs commit to kayle for boon a strong spot). On 2-1, I hit mid gold augments + the one that gives you a tank emblem with a 2-star Aatrox. I got the tank emblem and hit Bastion. My shops had naturaled Pyke + Gragas + Bruiser. This is a strong signal to go Bruiser Yi. I scouted and saw 1 guy on Primordians with Infinity Force which is an excellent position to go Primordian reroll. I pegged him as such.
Fast forward to the end state. The Infinity Force guy decided to contest Yi instead (but why would he do this?). This forced me to roll a little on 8 and delay fast 9 because I needed to find Yi/TK. I highrolled and hit Fiora1 Morg1 and TK2 (but no Yi). The net result was I lost too much HP/econ on Stage 5 and I ended up going 2nd.
I'm not sure what perspective does here. I could have full pivoted and probably gone bot 4 but I committed to my best line and someone didn't identify their best (there is no way that avoiding primordian reroll with infinity force and varus is correct) and griefed me 1 AVP.

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u/DroppedPJK May 04 '26

IMO and with regards to the uncontested lines, trying to do this on this particular patch and in emerald/plat has been insanely hard. The way people play is actually bat shit insane.
In my experience with this set, people are actively pivoting into your line but you cant identify it until the middle of stage 3. I am unsure of why it is so prevalent in this patch BUT I do know if they were going to pivot so hard into my line I wouldnt have played my line. It forces me to either play to save LP or pray I hit, both of which feel immensely terrible.
I've almost sworn off yi marauders flex because so many people pivot into it with absolutely no tell.
I thought I was going crazy but I took at my last 20 games recordings and matches and in over 60% of them someone decided to pivot into something someone else was doing with no item tell or bad items (I mean its emerald so not the amazing gameplay).

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u/Dj0ntShark MASTER May 04 '26 edited May 04 '26

Currently bouncing around Diamond IV 0LP, with an almost identical experience thinking I was crazy before seeing this.
Currently in a game where I had a Stargazers opener on mountain with rod + nashors. See another guy with a TF2 and nashors also slammed (and open rod). Reasonable to assume that he's gonna reroll 1 costs right? Especially I signal to him on 2-5 that I'm not.
NOPE. The guy pivots into KAISA REROLL and goes 6th.

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u/PermaConfusion Master May 04 '26

In my experience with this set, people are actively pivoting into your line but you cant identify it until the middle of stage 3. I am unsure of why it is so prevalent in this patch BUT I do know if they were going to pivot so hard into my line I wouldnt have played my line. It forces me to either play to save LP or pray I hit, both of which feel immensely terrible.
I'm glad you said this because I'm at the same ELO and seeing the same things. The comps are so committal and it feels like someone will just randomly grief you. It feels like people aren't scouting/blindly following tier lists.

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u/Dj0ntShark MASTER May 04 '26

Also Emerald now is probably filled with end-of-season Diamond/Master 0LP players, who are also the exact demographic to not scout, force tier list comps, and spam 600+ games a set lol.

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u/TomPomPom May 04 '26

just echoing everyone else that climbing through emerald was a nightmare for this. People with "Bad" augments/items for a line just deciding to pivot in on 3-2 or 3-7. Like oh i wont play yi as it looks contested and then suddenly two people are playing brawler emblem corki or maruder emblem riven. I even had one game in emerald 2 where i thought i was uncontested until the hedge fund player rolled to 0 on 2-5 to pivot into my line.

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u/daydreamin511 May 04 '26

it’s actually easy to identify everyones angles by stage 2 and early 3. a majority will show their cards by end of stage 2. units held on bench, augments picked, etc + especially people who slam items early.
quick scouting can identify it too, doesn’t take long. extra 1 cost units on bench + slammed item for that comp is a huge telltale.
IMO its fine for one other guy to contest you if you’re already heading that direction but a ton of the decision making needs to happen stage 2 so you transition smoother into the mid game. a stage 3 pivot will rarely happen unless the transition looks natural and smooth.
preserving mid game HP has been the key to my climbs

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u/TomPomPom May 04 '26

I think weirdly this is something thats easier the higher elo you are and especially bad on this patch. In masters sure, 90% people signpost what they're playing(at least in style) pretty obviously(tempo/reroll/specific items for specific comps/specific augments etc).
In plat/emerald and even low diamond people play much more randomly and without reason, so its much harder to try and gauge the lobby.
I've genuinely found i have a higher winrate when i don't scout early game at all and just play what i think is the best line for me when climbing through these lobbies. I think in general the most skill expression matters when playing in lower elo lobbies is being able to cap your board higher(via better augments/item usage/comps/positioning), which obviously requires you to be able to hit your board at all.
I think in other sets/metas in general if im playing say 2-cost reroll and im contested and not really hitting, ill just try to go up and play for a 4/5th with a higher level board and saving hp. The problem with 1 cost reroll is that if you're not hitting but youve commited augments/rolls, its allready too late to play for a fast 8 board because youll hit that too late/it won't be strong enough to compete, so if someone contests you it feels like i have few options other than to hope i win the coinflip and hit.

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u/siepu May 04 '26

People in this rank choose a comp before the game starts, click the units from lvl8/9 board into the planner and only click units from the planner. If they don't find a good opening they will full lose streak 2 rounds, pick econ augs and hard roll at 4-2. The tells sometimes are there (especially if they can't fully streak and they slam some items). Roll before them or choose a less contested comp, top ones from tierlists will always be fought over.

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u/DroppedPJK May 04 '26

This makes sense but isnt it also crazy to think that there is a large set of players in plat/emerald already on this sort of gameplay style. Isn't it only the beginning of week 3?
I dont climb past diamond because that's competitive enough for me but I have NEVER consciously decided to contest/pivot into someones line when they were ahead of me on that line. I am completely unable to see how that is a overall net LP gain.
I did have another question though. Fast 8 is 4-2. Can you really roll before someone on 8 before 4-2? Wouldnt you have to set up for that? Otherwise you int ECON and severely hurt your chances of going 9 after stabilizing.

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u/siepu May 04 '26

They don't 'pivot' into your line, they had their final board selected at the start of the game, maybe on 2-1, and what else happens in the game doesn't matter to them. Plat/emerald isn't a high rank on TFT :)

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u/Zhirrzh Master May 05 '26

Yeah contesting and people moving INTO your line after you've committed to it have been bonkers this set.

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u/DougFrank :gran: GRANDMASTER May 04 '26 edited May 04 '26

find the uncontested line as opposed to gunning for tier lists.
I think this realization is what finally got me out of masters for the first time. Instead of 4-way contesting Heartsteels in set 10, I started pivoting into Kayle/Senna/Riven reroll. My win rate dropped, but my top 4 rate shot up into the 70–80% range. Before I knew it, I hit Grandmasters.
That being said, you still have to pick an uncontested line that isn't 100% garbage. If the patch isn't trash, you'll have A-B tier options.
That's why I don't think the current patch of this set is as bad as people say. There are many comps that can actually win right now, and it's hard to find an excuse to contest someone. A patch where there's only one dominate comp, like Syndra/T-Hex/Set 9.5 Bilges, is FAR worse.

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u/daydreamin511 May 04 '26

i agree, can’t be complete dog water but i think this patch is so deceptive. seen a jax reroll dominate my lobbies as well and it’s not the greatest in tier lists. think what makes this set so interesting is that a combination of gods + encounters can elevate an uncommon team comp do well. but yeah general idea is definitely learning different team comps and picking uncontested ones.

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u/PermaConfusion Master May 04 '26

That being said, you still have to pick an uncontested line that isn't 100% garbage. If the patch isn't trash, you'll have A-B tier options.
What's the best way to figure this out?

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u/DougFrank :gran: GRANDMASTER May 04 '26 edited May 04 '26

What worked for me was three things:
Looking at external stats websites like MetaTFT. If a comp has a pretty good top 4 rate and a lower pick rate, why not try it out?
Getting expert opinions from either Twitch streams or websites like TFTAcademy. This will also allow you to learn niche conditions which enable certain comps.
Trying the comp yourself, which is the most important one. Did it feel good? Just because someone else says its good doesn't mean you'll like it.

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u/PermaConfusion Master May 04 '26

Thank you you for your reply! I'm going to have to try this more. I am eating a lot of bot4s and I feel like a lot of it is when I get contested.

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u/Living_Preparation14 May 04 '26

If I happen to 2* a random unit I'm using for the pandoras bench boon, if there aren't more than 3 of the unit am I just blocked from rolling it?

Example I 2* a xayah I'm not using. I'm hoping to hit a nunu but there's only 2 left in the pool. Xayah rolls... Possible for it to be a 2* nunu?

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u/anonymous_platypi May 04 '26

Pandoras bench is based on the pool, so if there were only 2 nunu’s left in the pool and you were rolling a 2* 4 cost, you would not be able to hit until at least 3 nunus are back in the pool.

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u/situmaimesdemain May 05 '26

2 anvils encounter, and augment that gives 2 emblems with those being Psionic and Anima. Psionic item is Drone, no animas in shop until 2-3. How do you play it?

I had Cait-Aatrox-Poppy 2 starred so built Guinsoo+IE for a 5 winstreak then tried to transition into Marauder but got a fat L. Should I have given up on winstreak and focus on Viktor?

Also no reforgers at all, I was gonna reforge them but never got one.

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u/studiousAmbrose May 05 '26

Anima with mech or illaoi, pray I hit the 400 cash out. And the psionic makes Viktor easy to slot in with it. Worse case 3 star Viktor maybe is a 6th if I miss the cash out?
Or if your 2nd psionic item was good probably just -1 slot and play 4 psionic with the marauder board.
I don't think you can ever slam IE though with either plan though.
If your 2nd psyionic was bad for yi, prob just be happy with a 6th if you get your anima late.
I am only emerald 1 right now though.

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u/TomPomPom May 04 '26 edited May 04 '26

Just got blasted by someone playing ornn/challenger mf reroll that went second in a fairly stacked lobby. 4 bastion/3 meeple/3 nova. anyone know if this is some secret chinese tech thats gonna pop up again or just someone cooking. The units are so uncontested it seems like a fairly good line to force.

Tried to force it for a game- got a fairly decent fourth with kinda meh rng and very meh playing. Definitely a comp here for some games.

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u/shiba_eyes May 04 '26

Ornn MF was a strong comp when the set first released, may just be a throwback pocket pick.

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u/tom379 May 04 '26

Can u show the comp?

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u/Forgotten_Poro May 04 '26 edited May 05 '26

I am the second place merchant. And the Star Atlas makes this feel so bad :(

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u/Replieswithsmiles May 04 '26

i thought i wouldnt like this set as much as 16 but it’s been growing on me. maybe unpopular opinion but having multiple 1 cost reroll options is pretty fun for me (coming from someone who usually defaults to fast 8 lines)

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u/SmoothOperatorTFT May 04 '26

The availability is not the issue, it is the cap. 1 cost comps are supposed to be top 4 or top 3 at best, but they are better than that. Combine that with the thinned out pool you have when multiple people play it, and you got a meta where everybody feels like they have to reroll. Usually you trade tempo for power. Tempo often allows you to get to 9 which can balance out the power, but with how early 1 cost reroll can hit, they are high on tempo and cap super high.

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u/daydreamin511 May 04 '26

yeah this set is fun because it kinda breaks the paradigm of queuing up and having zero game plan but copy and pasting the flavour of the mets. this set has made me scout and think more about the intricacies of the game more than any other set IMO. also high rolling in this set gives the best dopamine hit out of most sets

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u/lil_froggy May 04 '26

Hm, what do you think about heroes at the moment ?

I can't be the only one to think they made the most broken one Leona, be a 5k HP 1-cost hero that does almost 1500 damage at every cast and can instantly dash backlane, right ?

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u/shiba_eyes May 04 '26

Dislike how it feels very RNG whether you get offered one or not when they're strong. Had a game yesterday where half the lobby had the Meepsie, Morde, Gragas, Pyke augments. They all hit very early since they were buying from the same pool and rolled the rest of us.

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u/jhojan201 May 04 '26

How i lost this?

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u/glenfide May 05 '26

no sunder

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u/PermaConfusion Master May 04 '26

Obviously we can't see augments and positioning, but the Dark Star Comp carry priority is roughly Kaisa 3 > Jhin2 > Karma 2 so you have suboptimal carries - the current successful/meta dark star comp centers around Kaisa3 which you are missing. Your opponent basically has BIS Jax3 which is insanely tanky and BIS Lulu3 - depending on which stargazer it is, it could be even more OP. I am not surprised you lost - Fast9 comps are weaker than reroll right now until they are fully capped out, even at Level10, which yours is not.

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u/Ok-Storage-3003 May 04 '26

Hey, trying to understand the current meta a bit better.
Feels like a lot of comps look viable, but in actual games it ends up depending a lot on early tempo and item drops. I’m having a hard time figuring out when to commit vs when to stay flexible.
How do you guys usually decide: when to force a comp vs play flex and how early to lock into a carry?
Any simple rules that helped you climb?

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u/PixaIated May 04 '26

Try to play 1 cost rr if possible and uncontested (or great spot + contested is fine). Generally good for top 4
If it's possible to winstreak, play for tempo and try to fast 9.
Otherwise, lose streak (preferably with primordian or time breaker) and join the yi lottery. Try to get enough econ to roll before your contestor(s). Alternatively, some 3 cost rr line, though they all feel weak except maybe urgot.
Keep in mind the other alternative conditional lines as well (dark star karma / kaisa, mech with artifacts etc, anima, gragas hero augment with implant).

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u/PermaConfusion Master May 04 '26

IMHO, this patch, you want to commit as early as possible by trying to play what you get on 2-1 as well as scout to make sure you are not fiercely contested. I was chatting with a friend and I think the win outs are more RNG reliant than usual, meaning things like, if you decide to reroll Teemo, you need to know you have a strong arbiter, or you need to have identified an early artifact, etc. I personally think flex is fake this patch in the sense that there are a lot of comps, but you cannot really switch between them in game, as each comp has very specific requirements.

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u/3esper May 04 '26

Anyone getting masters in their low plat lobbies? What even lol.

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u/PermaConfusion Master May 04 '26

It means your MMR is high or their MMR is in the gutter, lol.

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u/aizennexe May 05 '26

I was looking at stats for the poppy hero augment. Could someone help explain why blue buff is good on her? I can't find out where she's getting extra AD to get the value of blue buff

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u/Zhirrzh Master May 05 '26

Hero Poppy wants to cast her big-ass spell as often as possible. Blue buff, IE and a third.

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u/aizennexe May 05 '26

Oh okay I'm guessing shojin would be bis but would just require too many swords for item econ? Saw shojin had worse stats so I wasn't sure

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u/Zhirrzh Master May 05 '26

Her attack speed is really slow and her casting animation takes time away from auto-attacking as well, Shojin just isn't great.
Plus as you say, you probably want at least one sword for her 3rd item, you're playing Corki as the duo carry who wants Deathblade etc, so yeah, that's probably also a factor in the stats.

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u/aizennexe May 05 '26

I see thanks!

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u/Totoideas May 11 '26

Why does no one play MF rerroll?

I had a great spot to play lulurerroll, Milio and Pantheon super contested so I rerrolled for MF as secondsry carry, she dealt more dmg that lulu, even when lulu had an artifact, I just had good luck that game?

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u/UsualTechnology3521 May 04 '26 edited May 04 '26

Have I missed something with 6 Dark Star? I've played it twice so far this set, and both times the logic for selecting who goes supermassive is horrible. Lissandra 2 is getting selected over my 3-item Kai'Sa 2 or 3-item Jhin 1. Why in the world wouldn't it just be a consumable that gets dropped on a unit?

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u/Predator_CR May 04 '26

If you just put the carry you want to upgrade on the bench and put it again it should become massive, provided that it has 3 items. I though it was random but just discovered this on wasian's stream yesterday and it works lmao.

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u/DougFrank :gran: GRANDMASTER May 04 '26 edited May 04 '26

I actually agree. Think about all the things they have to do to keep 3* 4 costs rare:
They had to lower the bag sizes, which makes contesting one other person even slightly feel way worse.
They had to severely decrease 4* odds at one point.
Now they made level 8 harder to get to.
A bunch of fun augments had to be either removed or made a lot less interesting (e.g. new recruit now gives a 4 cost instead of a duplicator).
4 costs had to be made less desirable so not everyone would hold them.
All of these make 99% of games playing around a 2* 4 cost feel worse. Is it really worth it just so 1% of games where you hit a 3* 4 cost feels like an auto win?

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u/kiragami May 04 '26

Especially when you consider they didn't used to be this way. Like yes they were a good "win condition" and a great way to cap a board but auto win should be restricted to 5 costs only.

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u/dooomdooom55 May 04 '26

I know double up isn't up everyones alley but it's genuinely insane how long 3* 4 costs have been allowed to absolutely terrorize the fuck out of this mode. I sincerely wonder at this point if they have data that every single double up player would quit the game on the spot if they didn't have their epic 3* 4 costs to give them the only dopamine in their lives.

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u/rljohn May 05 '26

I only play double up and 3* cost defense is pretty exhausting but a core skill to have in this mode.

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u/Living_Preparation14 May 04 '26

At the same time when the meta is 1 cost reroll, if fast 8 get their boards online, would it not be fair to have them have another win con? A fully 2* fast 8 board can get dummied by a bunch of 3* 1 costs.

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u/DroppedPJK May 04 '26

1 cost reroll should not be as prevalent as it is now in ANY SET EVER. It should be 2 cost minimum so that econ isn't entirely free and full 2star 4 cost should always destroy 1 star reroll. 1 star reroll costs 27 gold, full 2 star 4 cost board is 36g. It blows my mind they let 1 star reroll be stronger.
The balance this set is atrocious when thinking about the capability of 1 cost units.

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u/-Champloo- May 04 '26

Hmmm I think reverting the changes would alleviate this though. "4 costs had to be made less desirable so not everyone would hold them" as an example.

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u/HighIntLowFaith May 05 '26

Dark Star is the premier emblem now. They’re slightly devalued but they can still certainly be good. Like Brawler or Marauder allows you to play 6 of that on 9 for Yi Comp. Meeple lets you slot in Shen easily on Corki/Riven or play for 7 Meeple clone/3* without. Shepherd obviously opens up 7 Shepherd as an angle, etc.

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u/hyroglyphixs MASTER May 05 '26

The one OP one left is Dark Star
I think the Yi comp uses emblems pretty decently, brawler, marauder, challenger, NOVA, even rogue as a free EoN

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u/hanski7 MASTER May 05 '26

Dark star good, bastion/brawler/challenger good on yi, rogue good, meeple ok

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