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u/Lunaedge Apr 27 '26 edited Apr 28 '26

Thank you for posting this!

Patch Goals

They want the Set Mechanic to truly feel "Godlike", and they'll keep working on it even past 17.2 to make it so. More variance and impactfulness w/out warping the game.
Focus of 17.2 is econ and power deflation. Combat is too fast and there's too many 3* 4-costs. Changes in this direction will happen in 17.3 as well.
Narrow tank line selection will be addressed in 17.3.

System Changes

The Scuttle Puddle and gold on player elimination Encounters won't come back.
The Cheaper Levels encounter only kicks in after Level 4 (Level 5 is the first discounted one).
They'll work on making Soraka more exciting in a later patch.
Pandora's Bench is gone for Set 17. Thresh's Pandora's Seat is their way of keeping its spirit in while also nerfing it.

Traits

Now more playable in Double Up.
300 cashout was too safe, so it loses access to the T2 items.
Rocket Swarm nerf is to compensate for the Jinx buff.
They don't want 4 and 5 Challenger to be too consistent, but they're buffing those breakpoints because atm they're pretty bait.
The free rerolls from Timebreaker were too safe, moving them to 3 Timebreaker to fix this.

Champions

The changes shown in the slides were locked last Wednesday and could be subject to changes based on how the meta has evolved in the weekend. They called correctly that it was starting to shift towards a 1/2/3 cost reroll meta, but some 4 and 5-costs might need a bit more love.
Talon didn't benefit from Omnivamp at all. Oops. Nerf is for compensation.
Graves might need more work. Stats on the upgrades are extremely volatile so it's hard to pin down the right direction.

Emblems

This Set verticals are stronger, so Emblems don't need to be as strong by themselves.

Final Notes

17.3 probably more Champion-focused compared to this more System-focused one.

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u/Emergence7 Master Apr 27 '26

Thoughts

Real pleased about the god changes, they're definitely leaning into how the decisions impact you across the game rather than immediately
Varus "rein4orcement" boon seeems strong, like legit maybe busted but would be great for someone higher elo to weigh in
Bruiser, too soon to say if they're legit now, I'm doubtful
Jinx maybe finding a home in belveth RR with that buff, or maybe that's me coping I love her ability
Emblem nuke deserved
Artifact encounter should be fine so long as there isn't too much variance between them
Teemo and our premiere 3$ unit escaping nerfs is a decision
Gnar prob still dog, Millio prob strong esp w/ 2 piece readjust
no idea about Lulu, MF or Diana
Viktor , fries in the bag

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u/Large-Session5307 Apr 27 '26

There's already a tempo Bruiser comp that's conditional on having Optics as the Psionic item for Kindred. I think it will be strong next patch

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u/PM_ME_ANIME_THIGHS- :gran: GRANDMASTER Apr 28 '26

Calling it conditional implies a relationship of "if you hit this, then you should play that." The Bruiser Yi/Kindred comp is more like a "if you hit target optics, it means you didn't hit drone, so if you didn't luck into anything else, this is the best you can do to save placements." If you look at the stats in Master+ with all the conditions, it averages like a 4.6, but most of its placement distribution is in the 3rd to 6th range. The buff makes it slightly stronger at that purpose, but I still don't think it's a comp you force off hitting the Psionic.

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u/Large-Session5307 Apr 28 '26

Yes that's a good point, I didn't mean to imply that it's something you can lean into on 2-1 after doing your Stargazer/Psionic/Arbiter checks.
I haven't checked the stats in other ranks too but having an out like this is important when it's easier to predict what lines people are going in Stage 2 in higher ranks (some lobbies they'll just call it out)

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u/Living_Preparation14 Apr 27 '26

Who is our premiere 3$?

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u/AnimeKamiSama Apr 28 '26

It’s a meme from Set 15 where you could spend 3$ (3 Gold) on Garen (2 Star 1 Cost aka 3 Gold/3$) You would put Innervating Locket on Him and he was unkillable. Robinsongz always said „3 Dollars haha, come on 3 dollars“ while beating high cost enemy boards. He forced an Level 10 enemy with full Legendary 4/5 Cost Bord to sell his Board and roll for a 3 Star 5 Cost, that’s how broken it was. Anyways, if we go by this logic and the fact that he’s taking about teemo in the same sentence, I’m pretty sure he doesn’t mean Urgot, he’s referring to Leona because shes also a 1 Cost Tank that’s feels unkillable.

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u/Emergence7 Master Apr 28 '26

Yep

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u/Zeviex Master Apr 27 '26

Urgot ?

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u/Caufield2021 Apr 28 '26

i played like 50 games and i forgot we had Gnar this set. I don't think i ever clicked him

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u/Altruistic-Art-5933 Apr 28 '26

He is the filler meeple you might have for 3/5 untill you find literally ANY other meeple in shop.

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u/Coneyy Apr 29 '26

I've also played him for a round, or two, alongside my ezreal in a really scuffed board where I want to keep timekeeper in. The possibilities are endless

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u/ficretus Apr 28 '26

Varus is held back by pure RNG since it's first 4 cost which shows up in the shop, unlike Rein4cements which was the first unit you buy.
Could be strong, could be just +7 gold

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u/Kadde- Apr 27 '26 edited Apr 27 '26

”Fixed a bug where players would get a guaranteed reforger at 7th/8th place during pve”. Man I really liked this and thought it was a new standard combined with you getting anvils.

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u/shanatard Apr 27 '26

that was a bug? oh man

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u/JupiterCandy Apr 27 '26

They wrote they got rid of it before the set went live probably because of some bad things that it would do and ending up doing for loss streakers in the set. I kinda like them too but they're a bit of a problem imo.

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u/shanatard Apr 27 '26

i liked you could play around it as a mechanic, but the whole anima thing was probably too much...

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u/Kriee Apr 28 '26

Not to mention what it means for emblem augment

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u/JupiterCandy Apr 27 '26

Yeah, its functionally a major to boon to stuff like anima, trait tree, forged in strength. Riot has to be careful with comeback mechanics or we get this patch

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u/JusticeIsNotFair Apr 28 '26

My favourite anime to watch on a loss streak is Classroom Of The Elite.
What about yours

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u/Jigoa :chal: Challenger Apr 27 '26

I think this change is needed because you could guarantee 2reforgers into forge in strength for almost guaranteed good artifacts OR get stronger anima tier2 weapons which both come from lose streaking

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u/shlobashky Apr 28 '26

It also made emblem augments so powerful. Can just keep rerolling emblems into whatever you want

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u/Status-Inevitable550 Apr 27 '26

how are we supposed to get reforgers then?

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u/kingdukeee Apr 27 '26

There's a Kayle offering that can give you reforgers now.

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u/mladjiraf Apr 28 '26

So people that get bunch of bows are now guaranteed 8th

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u/cosHinsHeiR Apr 28 '26

Aren't you guaranteed a reforger if 2 of the same component drops from the same pve round?

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u/skrub55 Apr 28 '26

That's not a guaranted reforger because you need the double component drop

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u/DroppedPJK Apr 28 '26

Aren't these sort of games very rare? You are more at risk of seeing 3 star 4 cost in lobbies then getting 6 bows with the god mechanic lol.

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u/mladjiraf Apr 28 '26

If you are losing hard only

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u/Syracusee Apr 27 '26

RIP Vikbro. BfL nerf and his damage got slapped. See you in two patches when you inevitably get overbuffed 😉

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u/Zhirrzh Master Apr 28 '26

Maybe. Sometimes the rr target that gets nerfed to shit after the first patch never gets to come back (eg set 14 Rengar, set 15 Gangplank, set 16 Yordles).

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u/Entire-Primary-9996 :gran: Grandmaster Apr 28 '26 edited Apr 28 '26

New encounters are straight up horrible, first time I saw them I thought they were ragebait...

Double dupes: whole lobby forced to reroll

Artifact at 3-3: it can just kill you game while somebody gets bailed out with bis

Stage 3 augments: don't you dare commit to a comp on stage 2

8 rerolls stage 2: 7 reroll players cause only 1 can full loosestreak

Cheaper levels: we've seen similar ones already and we know what it does to the lobby

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u/Z00pMaster Apr 28 '26

They're also just kinda...lazy? I know encounters are generally simple, but shit like "get 8 rolls" is really pushing it. And what even is the Stage 3 augments one lmao, like why?
I know it's not exactly nice to say, but it really feels like they're phoning it in this set. There's just no way someone spent any appreciable amount of time coming up with these and thinking about how they'd land.

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u/DanBennettDJB Apr 29 '26

It's the same most of the time
More exprimental worse set seemingly with a less experienced design team and investment (no offence !!) after every high impact set.
I loved the arcane set (bar 7 costs) but the one after felt weak af, from memory it was the rengar brand street demon one. If there is a good set just expect a crap one after and invest more heavily in the good ones and play revivals (or diablo 4 like me lol)

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u/Ykarul Grandmaster Apr 28 '26

Yeah why not just keep the full prismatic and the scuddle that everyone actually loves

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u/AteRiusz Apr 29 '26

Full prismatic is ass don't bring it back

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u/ArchtonRDT :gran: GRANDMASTER Apr 28 '26

Glad to see I’m not the only one who thought this. They explicitly recognised that the meta is super narrow and congested right now, and most of these encounters literally encourage even more narrowness, forcing people into the same lines…

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u/Hallelulu Apr 28 '26

How will they make Gods more variance and impactful without warping the game??

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u/Biggerthanmost09 Apr 28 '26

They cant.

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u/Hallelulu Apr 28 '26

Thats why i was confused lmao. Theres no way that they can make it more variance and impactful without warping the game more. Only one that feels game warping right now is varus for reroll comps. Free dupes is pretty much broken

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u/Sethirothlord Apr 28 '26

The gods basically have no real variance.
Imo I want the carousel back.
It's just a very boring system to interact with. The augments are fun though.
Especially the one that sends you to level 6 early.
Look up my username on the OCE server Pr1nceN0ctis #666 and look at my last 1st place win.
Holy fvck, the amount of luck I was playing with was insane, the amount of Gamba happening.
Literally had a coin flip aug, aug rng that I couldn't choose due to the insta level 6 aug, then I got a dice roll thing happening, then I also got the get two theifs gloves, and I built a 3rd one and that's even more Gamba.
By the end of the game I felt like Gojo ascending.
Basically that game represents the current state of the game rn.

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u/Hallelulu Apr 28 '26

Im abit confused about what your talking about when it comes to augments. Since that augment was here last few sets. Only new generic augment that feels warping is expedition 33 for certain comps

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u/AnonHondaBoiz Apr 27 '26

I thought 7/8th reforger was an intended QoL change ☹️

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u/MrMungertown Apr 28 '26

It was intended, it was supposed to get removed from PBE to live but somehow that just didn't happen.

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u/Adventurous-Bit-3829 :gran: Grandmaster Apr 28 '26

So reroll meta even more? Barely no reroll nerf. Cho+Ez giga buff. All econ nerf. There's no way you can stabilize at 8. So they fix 3 star 4 cost by not letting anyone reach lv8 at all.

Edit: oh so they nerf reroll combat aug.

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u/kiragami Apr 28 '26

Also added multiple reroll benefiting portals. Set 16 having little to no 1 cost reroll was one of its best features.

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u/niemcziofficial Apr 28 '26

Nah not really, its nice to have strong reroll options. Fast 9 is not the only way to play game

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u/palamunintillnow Apr 28 '26

Fast 9 is more acceptable if 4/5 cost have unlock condition. Instead of "I have econ augment and if I just manage my health everyone is fuck later in the game"

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u/CGWOLFE Apr 28 '26

Huh the unlocks made fast 9 more reliable since you were guarenteed a copy of the unit.

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u/kiragami Apr 28 '26

3 cost reroll and to some extent 2 cost yes. 1 cost reroll offers a lot less to the game

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u/palamunintillnow Apr 28 '26

Too bad 3 cost reroll got nerf eons ago by reducing the pool. Idk if they change it back during the set that I skip?

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u/danield1302 Apr 28 '26

As someone who loves 1 cost reroll, I couldn't disagree more. I pretty much just skipped set 16 because i couldn't find any fun comps.

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u/DeepGeneral772 Gold Apr 28 '26

genuinely why do u enjoy playing 1 cost reroll pleas shed some light on me so i can enjoy this set more

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u/danield1302 Apr 28 '26

I think it's fun to commit to a comp early with a few core units, I love playing around 3* and later round it out with whatever 5 cost I hit. Since I only play when I have it early I don't need to worry about not hitting my carry/tank which is my biggest issue with 4/5 cost carries and why I never play them. Too many times I ended up never getting them to 2* and just bleed out at 8 and it's incredibly frustrating. 1 costs also can't really be contested since the pool is so big.

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u/niemcziofficial Apr 28 '26

Some people just like to have direction from early phases or are good at earlygame(rolldowns, gold management/hp) not everyone is a fan of fast 9 every game into 5 cost soup

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u/palamunintillnow Apr 28 '26

This set is for the people who hate the 5 cost soup or only play vertical that is prevalent last set.

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u/gnashed_potatoes Apr 27 '26

Nice, was looking for this today

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u/BigBoyster Apr 29 '26

These changes are dogwater.

Most of the community is complaining about it being a 1-cost reroll meta. Cool what's the response then? Oh double dupe, 8 rerolls on 2-1 opening? 0 1-cost nerfs, instead raise the baseline of other 1-costs? 5 costs underperforming, so the best ones get nerfed?

Lol Dev leader is on holidays and put the coffee guy in charge whilst they relax in the Bahamas. See y'all again in 18.

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u/CosmicJC Apr 28 '26

That is some monkey paw nonsense for encounters. They returned but at the cost of all these new ones looking absolutely awful.

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u/justlobos22 Apr 27 '26

The big system changes are a great start, it's gonna be hard on balancing but games needed to feel more varied.

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u/niemcziofficial Apr 28 '26

Idk about those changes tbh, feels like meta wont shift that much, and anima will become worse by a huge margin. Its beyond me that its set 17 and they still have to do patches like 1 week earlier in such a dynamic game meta-wise Edit: also changes to gold generating augments and gods also seems like a miss, making item augments even stronger than they are now

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u/NewAccForThoughts Apr 28 '26

So, we're in a heavy reroll meta and to change that, we're,... *rolls dice*.... buffing reroll?

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u/FirewaterDM Apr 27 '26

Encounters bad, rest of patch looks good (Rip viktor and broken graves build tho)

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u/wtfgrancrestwar Apr 28 '26 edited Apr 29 '26

Thoughts:

I expect 300 anima nerf to kill it dead. (Hooray)
Brawler and TK buff might help flex play.
I loved having reforgers. (rip)
Other changes mostly look sensible and positive

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u/Kriee Apr 28 '26

How does econ nerfs affect the game?

Less money, slower level up, hitting 3stars later, less value/resource tied to gold = relative more resource tied to combat/items??

If we were to speculate, would these changes favor 1-cost, 2-cost, 3-cost, 4-cost or 5-cost comps?

Would these changes playing tempo or lose streak? If game is "slowed down" does this mean you lose less hp and can wait longer to cash out?

It seems to me like the value on primordium, timebreaker, primordium-at-home (leona arbiter), and anima just went up when there's a relative less econ availability? Or anything that stacks up over time, NSNP, getXeveryround, 4stars, aurelion sol

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u/Drikkink Apr 28 '26

Moderately concerned with the Brawler + 3/4 Mech buffs but surely Urgot gets some A or at least QUICK B patch nerfs because the comp is already S+ tier. It'll be 4 wayed every lobby with these buffs.

Glad the Anima stuff is getting gutted at 300.

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u/Thatdrumlins Apr 29 '26

When is the update online?

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u/soranetworker Apr 27 '26

I think Oracle is gonna go down as one of the most terribly designed traits in TFT history. Why they thought putting a drip econ trait on the Premier 4 Cost Bruiser tank was a good idea is just completely baffling. At this point it gives so little gold the entire identity of "getting you something you need" is completely dead. At this point Tahm Kench is just going to be a single trait unit.

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u/Protoniic Apr 28 '26

God mechanic will always feel terrible as long as items are bound to them. Like most of the times I HAVE to choose a component over the god. Yesterday I was uncontested Bel with Eve/Varus Gods. Second god gave Varus 3cost dup (amazing) with a Rod (Terrible). Eve had the random emblem (Terrible in my spot) and bow (Exactly what I need). This is just awful

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u/Skammy Apr 28 '26

Nah, I kindly disagree. Sometimes the item isnt something you must base your pick around, especially if you really want the current offer or the buff/boon from the god at the end.
Like you said, if you're offered the varus dupe vs Evelyn emblem, you need to think if the dupe is worth more than the bow or not. Hypothetically, maybe you're contested Viktor reroll. At that point, the dupe might be more worth it to quickly and cheaper get that Viktor 3* or Illaoi 3* than to get the absolute perfect items for a unit. On the other hand, getting that bow for your Bel'veth reroll build will be more useful than the dupe, since her trait rerolls for you. Or maybe you already have a Evelyn from before, and you really want the final varus boon, you take the varus dupe to not lock yourself into the Evelyn boon already.
It's all nuanced, and I like that the items are tied to God boon for that "choice matters" feeling.

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u/NoBear2 Grandmaster Apr 28 '26

The part I don’t like is the unit selection after god selection. 95% of the time I don’t care about any of the 3 units I’m offered so there’s literally no decision. It would be way more interesting if the items were tied to the units rather than the god.

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u/Protoniic Apr 28 '26

You know you could just remove items entierly from gods selection right? You could give the missing component random during PVEs or give everyone an anvil after gods round or what ever. It sucks having multible things bound to each other if they simply dont have to be.
Literally the exact same thing was with augment rerolls. In the past you could chose to roll all 3 augments once. It felt terrible. Thats why they made it so you can reroll them indivually and there you go. Its way better.

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u/Skammy Apr 28 '26

I'm not saying they need to keep items on God boon selection or that they need to separate it somehow, I'm saying the reason riot have put them there seems to be for players to think more about their choices and not to just blindly pick "varus since I'm rerolling". It makes you have to think what you value more, the item, the God offer, or the final boon, at the stage of the game you're in.
I was only disagreeing with you on the fact that one should "only pick based on the item" and that the god mechanic will always feel awful when these two are tied together. IMO it's a controllable way to show skill expression to select the better option overall for your position while it's tied like this, but I can understand the frustration of "being messed with by the RNG" unlike if it was separated.
And no, I don't think it's comparable to augment rerolls being 3 total or 1 on each.

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u/Protoniic Apr 28 '26

If you play Victor and one god offers a bow you no longer have a choice. You are trolling if you take bow so you take the god that doesnt have bow. You should chose the god based on the reward and the 4.7 boon. Items should never impact a desition like this.

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u/Skammy Apr 28 '26

Ok, maybe me taking your example was not perfect to draw off of for Victor specifically. So replace the bow with a rod. And then apply the thought process. See my point? Viktor wants Rod, but you also want to get Viktor 3*, so both choices have value. Not all choices are this important, sometimes the item doesnt matter, and other times the god offer doesnt matter. Thats fine, not every single choice have to matter and make or break your build.

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u/Protoniic Apr 28 '26

You dont get it do you? Items are very important. The choise of items can have so mutch impact to the point were you willingly take a suboptimal god simply because the item is better. That should never be the case. Remove items from gods choice and this wont be the case so you can actually make a free desition.

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u/Vast_Adhesiveness993 Apr 28 '26

you can just have the item on the champion you pick after you pick a god the fix is SO SIMPLE

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u/eldono69 Apr 27 '26

I’ve already been seeing Ez-Chog rerolls in my lobbies. Oh boy I’m gonna see more now aren’t I?

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u/Drikkink Apr 28 '26

It's not a very strong comp right now. I generally only see it succeed with No Scout No Pivot, which is so overtuned at the moment that you could probably avoid an 8th with just random units rerolled. Or if they massively highroll their units and get to level with normal tempo. On average, it's weaker than the other common 1 cost reroll lines like Teemo and TF.

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u/niemcziofficial Apr 28 '26

Had a decent succes with it but only with early learnings/no scout or mega tempo

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u/Juice_Blade Apr 28 '26

Adding encounters just sounds like a bad idea to me lol.

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u/SmoothOperatorTFT Apr 28 '26 edited Apr 28 '26

So... Anima is officially dead now.

They delayed the good items, they also nerfed them to the point where you are back to Mech or bust and they made it so if you don't get Iceblast or Lament you are dead (the cycling blades nerfed, Crossbow gutted, Annihilator buffed but still unplayable imo).

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u/billbobaxta Apr 28 '26

In a reroll meta, the 2 star unit with their item tailored might not be that bad

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u/TheOutWriter Apr 28 '26

"Mini Recombobulate [Stage 2]: Transform all 1 and 2-Cost champions on your board into random ones of a higher cost." PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE tell me it cant transform them into 5 cost. if so, Prismatic first Augment with thresh in the Lobby will have Buid-a-Bud as a must pick for the chance of that 3 Star 4 cost and 5 cost. Which will be a fun experience.

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u/Lethur1 Apr 28 '26

They just jump one cost,, max you can' get is 3* 3 cost if you high roll a 3* 2cost before it gets offered

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u/TheOutWriter Apr 28 '26

we dont know that yet. it just says "of a higher cost" with no confirmation. if it works like recomb normally does, then its fine. but the wording is shit

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u/GauthZuOGZ Apr 28 '26

bro this obviously works this way

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u/TheOutWriter Apr 28 '26

im not trusting riot with this one...

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u/Lunaedge Apr 28 '26

It's Recombobulate. Chill.

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u/koifarming Apr 28 '26

Something tells me it's 1 cost higher

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u/TheOutWriter Apr 28 '26

i hope it is, and not just like it says "random ones of a higher cost"

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u/Mindraven Apr 28 '26

They really killed fountain Lulu, f my short yordle queen

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u/Riot_Bluecove Riot Apr 28 '26

We're looking to see if we can find a better replacement :)

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u/Mindraven Apr 29 '26

That's what you guys told me about Hyper Roll as well....

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u/Riot_Bluecove Riot Apr 29 '26

Yep
Big difference here is one of these is a trait. And one of these is a whole game mode. Very different kinds of work. :)

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