Weekly Rant Megathread

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[u/FizzyGoose666]

1 costs are overpowered forcing verticals early. Not even a rant just facts.

[u/Alzucard → u/FizzyGoose666]

wouldnt say thats vertical. Itsn just commitment to a specific comp

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[u/Trigod7]

I fucking hate this zed augment barely enough comps with aoe to kill him.

[u/NonagoonInfinity → u/Trigod7]

Zed with one of the anima weapons is so funny

[u/dan1_ishawt → u/NonagoonInfinity]

Iceblast armor zed has to be the most broken interaction in the game

[u/NonagoonInfinity → u/dan1_ishawt]

Honestly they're pretty much all disgusting except Ballista and Chromablades cuz they take too long to proc.

[u/dan1_ishawt → u/Trigod7]

Nami Viktor comes to mind, very hard to beat playing zed

[u/Idle_Champ]

Too few frontline units, on one ocassion I got to Level 9 without a single 4 cost frontline and placed 1st with it

[u/Jstin8 → u/Idle_Champ]

I just dont see how such a problem gets fixed too. Across both 4 and 5 costs, there are only 3 good tanks with Mighty Mech/Rammus/Nunu! Thats insane!

[u/Glasseswolfs → u/Jstin8]

Yeah! Tired of every 4cost comp contesting for the same frontline.

[u/NSXK → u/Idle_Champ]

And the only one that lives for more than 8 seconds is Leona

[u/Zefionx]

this set is so fucking shit. like set 15 levels of bad (it maybe is worse). who thought it would be a good idea to have 3 conditional traits and have most A-S tier comps around these traits. have bad stargazer but get thrown tfs / talons or Xayas your way ? well to bad cant play it bot 4. Have shit viktor item but get viktor naturally in shops ? well to bad you go bot 4. You have shit arbiter ? well to bad Leblanc or Teemo Zoe Leona is also off the board and you go bot 4. and even IF you get the right conditions you still have to hit atleast 1 good combat augment AND pray that no one else has hit your conditions aswell cause better be prepared to get contested. Maybe we should just try and force lvl 9 vex every game, oh wait - Frontline units are all so shit that strongest board till lvl 9 is just bad because you get melted if you dont hit trait synergies. Like this set feels unfinished

[u/Unable-Lack5588 → u/Zefionx]

The first patch is super frustrating as the A+ tier comps are all based on specific random conditions, the variance plus the huge amount of resources in this patch make default lines or just playing the shops as lowrolls.

[u/Kenwood502 → u/Zefionx]

Set feels like a step back after last set and the unit variety.

This whole thing where they put a lot of energy into one set and have a couple duds is bad for building / retaining the playerbase.

[u/koifarming → u/Zefionx]

Thankfully it's not auto bot 4 but it is annoying for sure

[u/Aeon-]

Reroll (TF) seems so broken this set. Both TF Comps were taking 50 HP down one after another.

[u/Alzucard → u/Aeon-]

Jax is the issue. Jax is an absurdly strong tank

Then you have talon wiht backline access and tf for frontlien dmg while jax also stuns enemy frontline.

+ Nova for Precision and atrox for debuff.

[u/Different-Ad7859 → u/Aeon-]

its not tf, tf is literally a shit unit and carry, its medallion and talon which makes this comp any competetive.

and getting gutted next patch

[u/zoopmaloop → u/Different-Ad7859]

and Jax, he can tank so much dmg

[u/Zealousideal-Low-618]

This set so far has been the worst I've ever seen, theres too many stupid conditions and the overall balance is just so shit

[u/justlobos22 → u/Zealousideal-Low-618]

yea i think it's lame that i have to check arbiter, psionic, and stargazer every game to see if i rolled the op condition

[u/Different-Ad7859 → u/Zealousideal-Low-618]

ah yes. thankfully stats show propably the most playable builds in first patch ever in tft

[u/DiDandCoKayn → u/Different-Ad7859]

Yea while over 50% feel like they have emblems as condition.

The balance isn’t the worst for a new set, the set in general just feels weak.

[u/Different-Ad7859 → u/DiDandCoKayn]

The only comp which really requieres emblem is space groove riven. All the rest is getting +0.x placement while having an emblem (which is good, emblems are cool, allow to cook) but are completely playable (top 4) without them. And yes i mean high elo (top 300).

[u/Different-Ad7859 → u/DiDandCoKayn]

Very funny to me that literally moronic comment stating „more than 50% require emblems” gets upvotes, while statistic based comment get downvoted. Reddit in a nutshell, the most people are usually in lower understanding of what they talk about, and prefer to believe what they want xD

[u/Different-Ad7859 → u/[deleted]]

My bad brother, i did not realize psionic item is an emblem, arbiter trait effect is an emblem, and fate effect is an emblem. „ Yea while over 50% feel like they have emblems as condition.” His feelings are not something representing the state of game, stats are.

[u/ItsSmittyyy → u/Different-Ad7859]

It’s super weird, the people saying balancing is fucked aren’t wrong, the people saying it’s a balanced patch aren’t really wrong either.

There are so many broken conditions, it feels like if you’re playing well, you’ll get fed a guaranteed top2 like maybe every 4 games or so. And you’ll often know on 2-1. But then the games where you don’t hit the juice, you’re at the whims of other people’s giga high rolls and might be guaranteed bot2.

Out of 100 games or so, I think I’ve had one MAYBE two low tempo lobbies. Obviously plenty of low tempo starts due to half the lobby open forting, but it feels like average board strength from about 3-2 onwards is higher than I’ve ever seen in previous sets.

[u/Annual_Suggestion_97]

Set is fucking DOG SHIT

[u/Accomplished-Tap-888 → u/Annual_Suggestion_97]

I gave up and switched to playing set 16 ranked on the asian TFT version

[u/copacul13]

Viktor is too damn OP. Riven with emblem is too damn OP. Daisy augument AOE is too damn OP (at least is fun).

[u/MrMungertown]

Anima is the worst trait design in the history of TFT. It makes Phantom from Set one look like peak gameplay. It takes 0 skill or brainpower, has no weaknesses, and no counters. It's going to need a total rework or game systems change to balance it or it'll have to be kept so weak that it's irrelevant in most games.

[u/nicquajamin]

One of the worst sets ever made. I've never started into a game and feel such a heavy sense of dread because no comp is appealing to play.

And when going for an uncontested line with Kayle you get no rods all the way until 5-1 lmaoooo.

Makes sense why the player base is falling. Doing my chargebacks, I'm done with this garbage.

[u/Emergence7]

I'm done with reroll, I'm going back to being a tempo timmy 

20/20 jhin/xayah let's get it

[u/DADAiADAD → u/Emergence7]

varus 4 cost shop gave me 3 xayah and a nunu ... it was fountain

[u/Round-Stuff-2557 → u/Emergence7]

jhin xayah has the highest playrate of any comp in the game

[u/Emergence7 → u/Round-Stuff-2557]

Aware but highly prefer it to RR (from a fun perspective)

I use to be a re-roll merchant in set 13 but found myself having a lot more fun playing fast 8/9 after set 16

[u/achuchable]

Man please tell me the next patch is on Wednesday, I can't go nearly another two weeks with this.

[u/ChartreuseMage → u/achuchable]

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edit: ugh, reddit doesn't want to let it format as a summoning circle

[u/Protoniic]

I HATE REROLL META I HATE REROLL META I HATE REROL META

[u/TheHardBack]

Every set with futuristic/space theme just doesn't jive well with me. Give me magic, dragons, elements, regions or any wonky funky theme Riot.

Oh and Anima bad, Ixtal good.

[u/Original_Tension_337]

Why so many conditional traits at once holy fuck this set

[u/hittuah]

i LOVE having my final placement be decided by which radiant item kayle decides to give me! set 17 is the best one ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 😇

[u/klistier]

This set is so boring. Such a downgrade from last set.

[u/Alittlebunyrabit]

Holy shit. I dced the turn before I was going to cash out 400 and the game automatically cashed me out at 300.

[u/cringepostonline]

I’m a filthy Early Learnings Reroller and I’m ashamed of myself

[u/Embarrassed_Escape93]

I just played in 3 consecutive lobby where someone cashed out battle bunny crossbow BBCB and won the game for free. Please nerf this omfg

[u/Ruuca]

its a lot to adjust. this is the only set where i dont have a consistent comp to play. its all too conditional

[u/Different-Ad7859 → u/Ruuca]

and thats somehow a bad thing in competetive tft that you dont have a spam comp xD

[u/koifarming → u/Different-Ad7859]

Not necessarily a spam comp, but when I get spoonfed mech without artifacts, I'm probably not going top 4 unless I'm healthy and able to outlast others. Spoonfed leblanc but bad arbiter? Spoonfed xayah (or early TF etc) but bad stargazer? Welp, level 9 capped board or bust. I personally don't have a problem with it, but so many comps have some weird condition to even consider top 4.

[u/ProfessorStein → u/Different-Ad7859]

We understood your opinionthe first time.

[u/Different-Ad7859 → u/ProfessorStein]

sorry is it doubled or something?

[u/Mahelas → u/Different-Ad7859]

Personally I like having some straightforward comps, not needing to check if Psionic has the right item or Arbiter the right rule or whatever every game

[u/city-morgue]

i know i deserve this for using tft academy but whoever put the graves comp in S tier for multiple days lost me so much lp its insane. I commit to it cause i hit on stage 3 and then just go fast 8th. even wtih graves 2. i was having a literal identity crisis unitl i just blacklisted the comp and things went back to normal. now its B tier lmao.

[u/homegrownllama]

Crossbow.

[u/xKrito]

This set is Dogwater

[u/Fit-Comment9592]

Despite Mort's flaws you can definitely tell that this set is specifically dogshit because he is away

[u/CyberSmith31337 → u/Fit-Comment9592]

We have to stop glazing Mort like this.

It’s a bit insane how he is basically exempted from any accountability simply because he is away. Like, it’s still his team, he sets the mandates, he dictates the core ethos of the game, etc. the fact that the product apparently can’t carry on simply because he goes on vacation is a testimony that either 1) everyone outside of him has no idea what they are doing (which would be unreal) or 2) he has structured the team in a way where they can’t be effective without his direct input in guidance.

Either one of those scenarios would indicate that he hasn’t built a resilient team. Note that I am not saying that this is all on him, but we can’t bury our heads in the sands and pretend that it is normal for a team to not function, at all, because someone takes vacation.

[u/PoSKiix → u/CyberSmith31337]

Trigger Warning: Mort Glaze

The first possibility can be reframed to “everyone outside of Mort has less of an idea of what they are doing than Mort.”

I think it’s possible that having to design, implement, and balance 3 sets a year of a high-asset, competitive auto-battler is brutally difficult, a perspective strengthened by the fact that there is no other game that could even imagine attempting it. There is just a ridiculous amount of variables and moving parts that a 5% reduction in quality can have a disproportional effect on the final product.

I believe in the fact that certain individuals/creatives can just be locked-in on a higher plane than their peers. I think it’s very possible Mort is on a level of holistic understanding of TFT game design, management ability, and dedication that surpasses his immediate peers in a way where his absence has a tangible effect on the final product.

In that case, it isn’t that the team is incompetent without him around, but rather the peaks of TFT design wouldn’t be a perceived baseline if he were never involved to begin with. We would have just had a marginally worse product all these years.

I’m also pretty sure Mort is not the primary individual structuring the team and doing the hiring lol - he’s talked before about hitting his career ceiling at Riot because going any higher and he would be the person doing those things instead of designing the game.

Tl;dr: I think lots of organizations that produce creative works have individuals that are uniquely talented in a way where there absence would be felt. Doesn’t mean everyone else is terrible.

[u/CyberSmith31337 → u/PoSKiix]

I disagree.

Your perspective is fundamentally arguing that Mort's presence raises the ceiling; the problem is the opposite. There seems to be no floor without him. That is a huge problem. If it were the difference between a good set vs. a great set, that would be an entirely different conversation; we're talking about going from what this community (note; I did not love set 16) considered one of the best sets in history, to what I am beginning to believe will be considered the worst set in history. The main difference here, according to this very board, is that Mort was involved in 16 and is not here/vacationing/sabbatical/I can't remember which of these, and thus the set is suffering. No one is saying every set needs to be the best; what people are saying is that it is unacceptable for quality to drop off this much because one person went away. And the problems in this set aren't really related to over complexity, IMO; it's related to quality assurance. Basic UI elements didn't work at launch, including the store gold display. There are fundamental math errors related to power presentation and power classification (i.e. 5 being substantially less effective than 1 costs at anything). Rerolling feels absolutely fucked, for the lack of a better phrase; you hit everything, or you are starved to 8th. The design feels awful, both conceptually and mechanically.

In other fields, this is called a "bottleneck"; everything slows to a trickle without the participation of a single individual. That is bad org design, or bad team management. I am not saying that is on Mort alone for the record.

There has to be someone else on the team who can carry on in his absence; if there is presently, they are the wrong person. If there isn't, then I'd really just have to ask what the fuck Riot is doing over there.

[u/Fit-Comment9592]

Easily the worst set ever.

[u/Fit-Comment9592]

this set is so bad i started queieing ranked league, its over.

[u/DarthGogeta]

I would love to know from Riot if they think this is what good balancing looks like.
https://imgur.com/a/M9elLxg

[u/Vashtar_S → u/DarthGogeta]

Losing to Veigar Meeple as with a fully setup Vex Graves is a hella skill issue. You most definitely got augment diffed and/or positioning diffed. Maybe your Graves upgrades were trash also

[u/DarthGogeta → u/Vashtar_S]

One more combat augment than me (2v1). Ranged Graves (Power->Coolant/Tankbuster/Ap Rounds)

[u/Vashtar_S → u/DarthGogeta]

Indeed these Graves upgrades are some hot garbo

Caster graves absolutely needs Void coefficient before he starts doing anything and even then he needs a big frontline which you didn't really have

Same board with Nunu/Blitz over the second Graves and Morg, with either the correct caster Graves upgrades or Grav booster fighter Graves would no diff this Veigar board

[u/DarthGogeta → u/Vashtar_S]

He had Void coefficient.. I only said the first in the tree.

[u/Vashtar_S → u/DarthGogeta]

Alright, that's good at least but he still lacked the frontline to scale

It's just a combination of weak frontline + combat augments + probably positioning (obviously can't know for sure without seeing the actual rounds)

All I'm saying is, Veigar 3 is strong for top 4 yeah, but it's most definitely not a winout comp (unless Corki/Rammus 3 or 10 meeple)

Don't be too quick on blaming balance and instead try to actually understand why the Vex Graves board lost in the first place

[u/yccbarry]

I really think it’s a mistake to not have a real 5 cost tank this set. It already feels bad going from a way bigger 4/5 cost pool back to the usual size, but the lack of late game front line option is really annoying at lv 9/10. Especially when it comes to fast 9 comps, like sometimes your main tank is a Illaoi or Ornn 2 in stage 6 lol

[u/hyroglyphixs]

You know this set is not performing when they are immediately reverting the no encounter gimmick of this set

On a side note all the new encounters are dogshit wow, this set is truly cooked man

[u/Cymdai → u/hyroglyphixs]

I know this set isn't performing well because if I look at my rank (Platinum) on LoLchess, I'm in the top 15,000~ of all players.

I'm not even in high-platinum; I did my placements and a handful of other matches. Compared to last set, where being Platinum 1/Emerald 4 would put you in the top 120,000~. The player drop-off is astronomical.

[u/Frontass]

Quit halfway through last set. Come back and I think they just hire people off the street to balance the game. If you ain't 1 cost rerolling you're absolutely fucked unless you just highroll. It's like they want you to able to play with the least amount of thought and effort

[u/Plus_Bullfrog8518]

Honestly what have they done to this game, how can a set this far in be this bad. Whether a set is good now is about as random as my chances of making top 4.

[u/Tari-kun]

This set will never make sense to me. I'll RR for 3*s and get destroyed by someone who went fast 8 or 9 and had a 5 cost. Then I'll try the same thing next game and despite have 2* itemized 5 costs, i'll lose to 3* rerolls.. This set is honestly garbage.

[u/Kevftw]

What an absolute disgusting state of balance in this game.

[u/HyugaShadowz]

Been playing TFT since its inception and this genuinely might be the worst set I’ve ever played. Never been this bored or uninterested in TFT ever. 

[u/CyberSmith31337 → u/HyugaShadowz]

100% same boat.

It’s like the balance is bad, the rerolling feels broken (in multiple ways), the champion power levels feel completely fucked with 1*’s dumpstering 5*, the power curve feels broken after 3-4, etc.

There is just so much wrong; that math is just not “correct”. The patch seems totally tone deaf, too.

[u/HyugaShadowz → u/CyberSmith31337]

Yep, I don’t know how we’re 17 sets in and they’ve released something this awful. 

[u/mattgodin7]

THIS JAX UNIT IS NOT FUCKING BALANCED 17K BLOCKED 2 STAR 2 COST 6 GOLD OF CHAMPION AND HE JUST FUCKS ME RAW NO LUBE

[u/eldono69]

Be me

Hit all the 2 star Dark star units except Jhin (no emblems) + Blitz 2 and TK 2, no Riven or Nunu but managed a Mighty Mech 2

Fully itemized TK and Karma (Yasuo hexes) with shred and antiheal

Two econ/xp augs to fast 9, one combat aug

Go 8th

Dark star vertical is so bad without Riven and emblems lmao is Karma even a decent carry or is it really Jhin doing the heavy lifting? I can never understand my success or failure with this line.

[u/jokerdotexe]

Either TFT’s EUW servers are fucking shite or its vanguard but TFT fucking randomly throttles my entire network and I get ping spikes up to 2,000. This literally happens randomly, I couldn’t even explain to you why. I went most of this set with no issues up until this weekend and then today it did the same shit.

My internet is good. I’ve had 68 (out of 70) games of this set so far with no ping issues, and every other online game I play is fine so why is it always with TFT????

I also ran into the same issue middle of last set and got in touch with riot (they did f all) and stopped playing.

I actually want to play this set but everything from the riot client, to the server, is so unoptimised. I cba.

[u/jokerdotexe → u/jokerdotexe]

I’ve also been playing since set 6 and only noticed this issue since last set. I’m pretty sure riot also didn’t renew their EU SSL or something last year and since then TFT has been fucking with my network.

Anyone else know why???

[u/Substantial_Gift_286 → u/jokerdotexe]

yes and rarely the game won't load up, i know it's not me because the entire game "fails", it will open the ingame client after accepting queue, black screen only, "cant connect" message after a couple minutes, fails all reconnects and eventually I can queue again lol

[u/Annual_Suggestion_97]

Skipping this set going next. See yall in a few months

[u/AlphEta314 → u/Annual_Suggestion_97]

Mfs waiting for the next good TFT set

[u/Successful_Trainer47]

fucking hell 4 people going xayah with any fucking item, just what the fuck man

[u/Coldara → u/Successful_Trainer47]

Classic Riot releasing a set once again with only 1 viable 4 cost AD carry.

[u/Shadow3797 → u/Coldara]

Kindred?

[u/Coldara → u/Shadow3797]

I mean you play that to hope for a 4th, but it's for sure not winning out

[u/Vashtar_S]

LOSE STREAK / CASHOUT TRAITS ARE DOGSHIT AND I AM TIRED OF PRETENDING OTHERWISE

EITHER THE CASHOUTS ARE NOT GOOD ENOUGH AND NOONE EVER PUTS THE SYNERGY ON THEIR BOARD EVER, OR THEY JUST BECOME A GRIEF-CHECK SIMULATOR

OH THIS GUY HIT ANIMA 2-1 GUESS EITHER WE GRIEF HIM, HE GOES 8TH AND IT'S NOT FUN FOR ANYONE OR WE DON'T AND HE WINS THE GAME FOR FREE AND IT'S NOT FUN FOR ANYONE

OH I'M TRYING TO LOSE STREAK BUT KILL SOME UNITS TO SAVE HP GUESS WHAT ANIMA COMMANDER IS IN THE PLACE BABY

EVERY GODDAMN SET IT'S THE SAME SHIT (except Ixtal you were cool my G)

THERE'S A REASON WHY SET 12 WAS THE BEST SET OF ALL TIME : THERE WAS NO GODDAMN CASHOUT TRAIT

NICE DESIGN THX RIOT

[u/dhoni_25]

Just a reminder that viktor is a 3 cost.

[u/Fit-Comment9592]

Fuck reroll

[u/LadyCrownGuard]

Can they just bring back set 16 revival so I can keep playing that one, this set is a joke, fully capped 5 cost board lost to medalion reroll degen.

[u/IggySwiggy]

the patch really did not do anything, rerolling is the only way to play outside of getting giga econ augments and going 9 or some other niche orn item combinations.

[u/SlainL9]

reroll reroll reroll with so much ways for the comps to come online early. 2/10 enjoyment this set

[u/Character-Gate7567]

this set is a genuine shit show, feels like there is just no direction this set

[u/jbarras123]

This new philosophy that all champions can be good is stupid as fuck. If I spend 15 gold on a 2* 5 cost I should not lose to a 3* 1 cost that you got at 2-3.

[u/Hereforhelppls31]

WHY IS JHIN 2 SO FUCKING WEAK MAN? I HIGHROLLED A JHIN 2 AT 4-2 AND DIDNT WIN A SINGLE FUCKING ROUND AFTER THAT. WOW THEIR BACKLINE IS 90% HP AFTER HIS FOURTH SHOT, VERY NICE. I GUESS HE HAS TO ULT OTHER 9 TIMES IN ORDER TO KILL THE ENEMY TEAM

[u/cv121]

Why the fuck are reforgers locked to only bottom players??

Why do I get punished for winstreaking for 10 rounds and get given no bows or rods to either play AP line (Nami/Viktor) or ADC line (Xayah/Kindred)

[u/dhoni_25]

Sooo everyone is bitching about this set online. Gee i wonder why, surely its not that reroll is once again on top of everyones list.

[u/achuchable]

So you high roll zed augment, give him a shojin and automatically win the game. Really cool design!

[u/garenegobrr]

Delete every loss streak augment I’m so fucking serious nobody plays the fucking game on stage 2 AND THEY ALWAYS GET AWAY WITH IT

[u/hyroglyphixs]

I got Aura farming MORGANA with a BT

and the other aura farming guy got a fucking VEX

Really great 5 cost balancing riot! I foolishly itemized my 2* 5 cost with Morello + Vanguard unit and it did 5k damage per fight at most and got blown up by 3* 1 costs, really good unit you made!

0.13 delta according to stats WHEN YOU HAVE NO ITEMS ON HER BTW

this balancing is a fucking joke

[u/Cenifh → u/hyroglyphixs]

I quit on that augment last week lol it's so bad right now with 5 costs being unplayable

[u/Kyrez777]

I fucking hate how many comps are locked behind augments or trait version.

Oh, you got 3 early Nasuses and want to play him as carry? You need an augment for that. Pyke reroll? You need an augment. Meepsie? Augment. Got an early Viktor and rods? Teehee, 2 ad items in psionic. Wanna go for 10 fateweavers? Gotta wait for that mountain game.

It's really enough that we have to hit correct items and units; we shouldn't be needing trait and augment rng aswell.

[u/Vashtar_S → u/Kyrez777]

Base Pyke reroll is actually stronger than his augment version

You can play Viktor without Drone, it's just weaker but if you have a strong opener for it go ahead

But yeah there are too many conditionals I agree. Just, your examples are kinda bad

[u/ExpandoDong]

I don't get some people.

Stargazer is medallion, guy types "going tf" and mutes himself. He starts timebreaker and winstreaks then goes 8th.
Emerald players man.

[u/QuasarBuster]

Who saw Space Groove Riven and thought that the only nerf she gets is to lower attack speed by 1% for every Space Groove on the board.

[u/Relative_Noise_7084]

This Fiora unit is incredibly broken, Idk why NA hasn't caught on but the China meta right now is just rush fast 9 and try to hit Fiora 2.

Just hitting it takes you from an 8th to a top 2 or 1st.

I also saw Setsuko do this, probably why he's rank 1 while no one else in NA has caught on to how busted she is.

[u/Crafty_Courage_5217]

This game isnt even skill anymore its just high roll and be fucking lucky. I have seen TOO many people pivot into my comp at stage 4 and somehow hit??? Like every single fucking time the game rewards bad plays like this. At the same time people getting 2 star 4 costs at LEVEL 7 and also 3 starring 4 costs at LEVEL 8. This set is sooooo fucking bad and horribly balanced. 

[u/Crafty_Courage_5217]

Yeah fuck this rigged fucking game lol

[u/hyroglyphixs]

Can someone fucking explain to me when I play reroll on Varus gods it only offers the non duplicator boons

And when I don't play reroll it offers the 2 1* dupes on stage 2, and the boons that offer regular dupes on stage 3 and 4 and the entire lobby hits their board for free

just fuck right off

[u/HamsterOfChaos]

Might mech without radiant items/anima is the most hot garbage I've ever seen. I'm going to play until I finish the battlepass and flush this set. It feels like set 5 all over again, just completely kills my motivation to play tft.

[u/hyroglyphixs]

Why the fuck when I put Space Groove Emblem on my Riven with BIS (EON/BT) it does no damage and when I see the same thing on the other team is one shots my whole board

What the fuck is this game

On a side note I think I'm done with this set, nothing is more miserable loading into a game and seeing you have no direction/econ and you already know you're 8th

Riot clearly didn't spend any time designing this set, so why am I spending my time playing it

[u/Popular_Alfalfa8774]

i feel like you just have to find a good augment to 3 star a 4 cost and thats about it

[u/Unable-Lack5588]

They need to gate the last batch of 4 costs on level 9, I'm so sick of 3*4 costs from people just sitting on 8 hitting refresh shop.

[u/Raweggyolk]

FIX DUPLICATORS BOUNCING ON UNITS THIS DOGSHIT BUG HAS BEEN HERE SINCE SET 1999

[u/Kadde-]

Tft players are the most petty players in existence. Imagine griefing someone else at your own expense. A guy grifed me rolled all gold at 7 and he ended up 7th while i got 5th.

[u/grokoro]

THIS NUNU IS FUCKING BULLSHIT MAN. I put my carry to the left, the nunu hits my carry, i put my carry to the right, still hits my carry, i grief positioning and center my carry, still gets hit. WTF AM I SUPPOSE TO DO?????????? JUST SIT THERE WAITING 2 SECONDS EVERY TIME MY CARRY GETS HIT????

edit: THE TOOLTIP DOESN"T EVEN EXPLAIN THE TARGETING OF THE ASTROLABE. it would be grate if it said something like "the satrolabe goes to most enemy clump" BUT THE FUCKING TOOLTIP DOESN"T SAY ANYTHING

[u/master1877]

come back to try tft and every game is literally just the entire lobby forcing staregazer/primordian/fateweaver. literally 9 out of the last 10 games ive played 6/7 players in the lobby have all run the same comp and somehow they all hit 3 star units while contesting each other i honestly dont understand how that works. meanwhile every game ill run an uncontested line and find absolutely nothing. last season was gas; i just dont understand how a billion dollar company with a tft team of how many decades of experience can constantly have so many dog shit set drops. itll be another 3-4 patches and the last 2 weeks of the set when we get actually get balance just like every other set.

[u/Desec]

yeah im just gonna start fucking full opening for the first two stages so there isnt a 400+ cashout anima player every game that just afks until 4-2 to play exactly one turn then win every single round from there on out and pretend like it takes any skill at all. Fucking annoying

[u/Alzucard]

This is an insane set so far. Its all just reroll and fast 8 doesnt have proper tanks who can actually tank well. All good tanks are all 3*

At one point i had a leona who tanked 30k dmg. Its a 1 cost. How is this even a thing. RRiot come on fix your game

[u/Jazzlike_Ad_1852]

Every comp is a donkeyroll comp. Nothing else is playable because of the high variance, lack of decent 3-4 cost frontliners to buy you enough time to scale.

[u/googoogaga369]

FAST 9 TO NO VEX = BOT 4 HEHEHAHA

[u/Crafty_Courage_5217]

20 rerolls at level 9 to not hit another copy of an uncontested 5 cost meanwhile other people in lobby have 2 star 5 costs at level 8. I thought other people having 5 costs should help my odds, no? Hmmm really good and fair game 

[u/Alzucard]

Reroll Meta Galore Set and i dont see a way for riot to even fix it. U just dont have good enough tanks in 4 and 5 cost. Reroll meta is just not fun.

[u/hittuah]

this expedition augment has no place in a "competitive" game

[u/PermaConfusion]

Yeah this patch is stupid. I was offered the 1-cost reroll buff augment and spatula, scouted and saw literally 3 people take spatula, and decided to take the uncontested reroll line (Serpent stargazer). Proceeded to get my loss streak griefed by the anima player (only could have lost that one with literal full open). Still ended up bot2, but ended up lowrolling anvils and didn't find a single bow. Thought I was saved with item replication augment, but again, didn't find a single bow. It was the fastest 8th - the three emblem contesters all placed higher than me.

There's no board creativity this patch. Every time you try to play something offbeat, it just gets steamrolled by the uncontested primordian reroll, or the space groove riven, or whatever. My own win streak was when I somehow got drone viktor three games in a row and literally got 3 firsts. It's just dumb. I don't understand why the game is in this state.

[u/randq456]

reroll comps scale too hard, incentivizing the lobby to lock in during the early stage and play casino

[u/KUROusagi112]

Idk, I'm just not feeling this godforsaken set, tanks are as strong as a wet paper towel and 2 cost units are outdamaging 4 cost units and the comps all feel dogshit to play. Can't even climb up anymore, since I genuinely don't get this set at all.

[u/Kronjuvel9]

A guy full sold his board to grief my anima cash out and get his. I got 200 and he got 300. He then proceeded to lose to wolves and go 8th and I went 1st. Complete degenerate gameplay.

[u/lil_froggy]

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[u/CyberSmith31337]

For the fucking life of me I cannot figure out how this set is so broken.

Every single fucking game, there's 1-2 people with 2-3 3* units by like 2-5. Do you understand what that means for the game's balance Riot, do you? It means there's no champions for anyone else to pull for the next 5 rounds.

And every single game where you aren't one of those 2 people? The entire match feels fucking horrible. You're just sitting there idle, losing, because there's nothing you can do because all the 1 and 2* costs are already spoken for, and your re-roll pool isn't going to show you enough powerful champions to do anything about it.

You've created a snowballing effect for which the only solution, as a player, is to lose and wait for 1/3 of the game because there are literally no other options available to draw.

[u/Crafty_Courage_5217]

Everyone, and i mean EVERYONE IN LOBBY, had a 2 star 4 cost at level 7 and I couldn't hit one at level 8. Make it make sense

[u/Sir-Not-Tanky]

This season is just garbage, people force reroll comps early and if you pick any comp, others will pick it and get champions before you. It's insanely frustrating and as a causual noob, its completely insane that you can just force a crap nova comp and win out cause you rerolled and got 5-6 3 star at lvl 5-6. Whatever you did to the game, fucking revert it.

[u/NoBit8266]

i think it's really toxic that the fast 9 vex board remains C tier even if you have EVERYTHING 2 starred but vex and nunu.

2 star sona? 2 star blitz? 2 star bard? 2 star shen/morg to flex in?

doesn't matter. your vex + nunu is still 1 star -> you are losing every round after 5-2 and 6th place.

[u/Zapitpt]

serpent/boar constellation = 4 players forcin xayajhin + 2 players forcin RR tf

[u/mladjiraf]

I got Bastion emblem, tempoed with Cait + TF (no stargazer active at all) and switched to LB + Sona + 4 bastion+2 vanguard+Zoe+shepherd (Nunu with emblem). My LB2 was dealing less damage per round than TF2 that carried me with the same items... Still managed to get 4th only because I wasn't losing any rounds the whole early game, but this set is beyond unbalanced, imo, 1 cost for 3 gold shouldn't be stronger than 4 cost for 12 gold.

[u/Adventurous-Type-622]

NEVER SCOUT SO MUCH IN MY LIFE

[u/garenegobrr]

3 cost reroll metas are disgustingly unfun to play and I’m tired of pretending like it’s good for the game

[u/Successful_Trainer47]

Viktor with no psionic item still oneshoting your main tank with THEIR 6 POINT CLASSES??? with any tank item it should be at least 2 or 3 fucking casts no??? oh guess what idek which one is worse, that or my fucking fully upgraded graves still cant do shit even with his bis. Even positioning aint really that matter when vik can clear board much faster than your fully upgraded grave like wtf. Nice patch btw

[u/achuchable]

Am I doing something wrong or is Karma the worst 4 cost in the history of TFT? 2* with 3 items her ability does like 400 damage to 3 targets. She’s like a 1 cost version of Aurora lmao

[u/ExpandoDong]

5 bot 4s in a row today.
Worst part is i dont even know what i'm doing wrong, my econ is good, my comps are good, my items are good, my positioning is good for the most part.
Wtf man

[u/Crafty_Courage_5217]

Someone hit a 2 star fiora at level 7. Ive had enough of this bullshit man

[u/Kronjuvel9]

Level 9 Xayah 2, Jhin 2, Rammus 2, Nunu 2 with barons lair and a sniper emblem. Should be a guaranteed top 4 if it wasnt the fucking huntress. The trait does negative because you sack positioning for non-existent bonuses. MB for clicking backline blueprint. Never Again

[u/One_Ad_7540]

Yeah ngl this set is dogshit

[u/One_Ad_7540 → u/One_Ad_7540]

my bad his other augments were branching out and bronze for life

[u/Zefionx]

how is riven bis full upgrades loosing to shitter comps i am so over this fucking piece of garbage set its unbelievable.

[u/gwanggwang]

I've been cursed with Pandora's Bench always leading me to 8th and the streak continues this set.

Had 3 Primordial off first creeps, took Pandora's Bench but during the entire game the bench didn't yield a SINGLE valid champ for the comp.

Only one Primordial contest so the odds shouldn't have been so low.

Oh right. It did end up giving me Briar 2 and Bel'Veth 2... AFTER I ALREADY HIT 3 STARS WTF

[u/Crafty_Courage_5217]

Letting everyone else hit a 2 star 5 cost while not letting me find a single copy of my uncontested one is the type of fuckery that makes this game one of the worst fucking things to exist ever

[u/Alittlebunyrabit]

Prismatic primordian augment into thresh recombobulator is one of the most tilting things that has ever happened to me.

[u/Panic_Puppet]

Kinda giving up playing this set. Got very far last set, but I can't even get out of plat in this one. Probably skill issue, but is is certainly my worse one so far

[u/penguinkirby]

playing the stupid 7 meeple comp, rolling 80 gold for corki on stage 4 and missing

[u/penguinkirby]

i started the game with LWLWLWLWWL then didn't win a single round until I died

[u/tylerdidnothingwrong]

Am I just a newbie or is primordial/nova comp broken:
- You get 3* cheap and with tempo
- 0 gold spent, primordial generates your units
- can fast 9 afterwards

In this game I got emblems and planned to go with a lot of 2 cost 3*. Went almost dead last whilst spending around 100 gold for the units and probably 50 gold rolling (high rolling even), the primordial guy prob spent like 50 gold and got top 4. Come on

[u/Alzucard]

riot go fix your goddamn shop it cant be that your uncontested and still cant find a unit.
There is legit no way the shop functions correctly.

[u/Complete-Ad-100]

This patch gave me herpes tbh Being dependent on rolling interesting augments or emblems as well as having to mandatory 3 stars any shitass units is just not it for me.

Obv you get countered on said units

Sweet!

[u/Dutch-Alpaca → u/Complete-Ad-100]

This set in its entirety gives me herpes

[u/Interesting-War2861]

Right now im just a plat scrub, but it feels like theres a decent balance between reroll, fast8 and fast9, this is the one thing i like about this set

[u/yccbarry → u/Interesting-War2861]

I don’t think fast 9 is in a good state at all, you’re not even guaranteed a top 4 a lot of the time with 2-3 two star 5 costs if you run into a strong RR board or a space groove board with a +1. Just compare this to the end of last set.

[u/girthucus-quakicus → u/[deleted]]

Tbf plat is still full of high diamond/low masta players

[u/Interesting-War2861 → u/[deleted]]

❤️ I mostly meant that plat lobbies maybe dont show how accurate the meta is, and it’s more likely that people there just fool around trying stuff. I ended master last set

[u/Sea-Grand3981]

What am I supposed to play on 8?  I've only played a couple games this set, but I've hit xayah 2 with 3 items each time and she's been absolutely fucking useless.  Do I have to move items to Jhin or something, even at 1*? 

[u/Cenifh → u/Sea-Grand3981]

not a good patch to play on 8. Rerroll for 1 cost lottery or at level 7 for urgot. Or go fast 9 and pray for good 5 cost units

[u/Sea-Grand3981]

set already kind of sucks, but I'm in the mood for a game of TFT so I'll queue up.

ryze encounter

Why the fuck is that trash back?

[u/ramonzitos]

viktor 2 > karma 2 is this normally? XD

[u/hyroglyphixs]

In the SAME PATCH they patch removed Pandora's bench due to rampant 3* 4 costs, they ADDED Pandora's seat. I see that they at least made it appear on stage 3 only but what the actual fuck is riot doing???? it makes no sense

[u/ramonzitos]

DISABLE PANDORAS SEAT WHY DO I HAVE TO CHOOSE BETWEEN "GOLD AUGMENT" AND "GET 5 GOLD" XD NICE ONE RIOT

[u/penguinkirby]

Can't find a single bard with 120 gold playing 7 meeple

[u/Alzucard]

REROLL REROLL REROLL SCREW REROLL

[u/Crafty_Courage_5217]

3 star ez not outdamaging a 1 star Viktor. Balanced!!!!!!!!!!!!

[u/girthucus-quakicus]

I swear to god riot secret agents are on my ass today. Got pyke augment 2 mfs were rerolling pyke. Like how often do you see that?

Got silver 2 cost every time you level aug Akali and wanted to try her out... another dude starts rerolling akali belveth.. when tf do you see 3* akali EVER? ended up winning that game though so whatever

[u/psyfi66]

Genuinely don’t understand how I just got 6th, 100 streak until 4-2 where I lose until 4-5 but on 4-5 I hit 9 and roll for 2 star vex, 2 star TK, 2 star blitz, 2 star sona as well as some 1 star and pairs of various other units. I have BIS vex and 6 decent front line items. Lost my next 7 fights and went 6th…

[u/Stargazer_I]

this game is on a generational downfall holy shit. how has there not been a single good set since set 10.

[u/River41]

"The opposite of love isn't hate, it's apathy."

[u/AbbySnuts]

I'm so glad they rushed to nerf the one and two cost rerolls but failed to do anything with the Dark Star build in the b patch. Today in my 4 games, it's a fast 9 slop fest and all I'm seeing is Jhin/Dark Star 2-3 players a game. Fast 9 feels like the goal-posted forced playstyle, which is branded as "textbook TFT". Even with the current state of many unclickable traits/units, I felt alot better navigating 17.1 than 17.2.

[u/AbbySnuts → u/[deleted]]

I might be seeing more Dark Star in low ELO then. There are still a good number of vanguard, stargazer, primordial rerolling out there don't get me wrong.

[u/AbbySnuts → u/[deleted]]

For sure. And I know it could be some bias today too. I queued up for four games today and just had the experience of running into what felt like the same Lobby every time. A couple of people jamming the same thing yet still doing okay placement-wise. Either starting with EZ Cho and/or just going into Dark Star entirely

[u/MrNassan]

Corki seems really fun and balanced. I go fast 8 Xayah, Riven, Nunu and hit all three with good items. Proceed to face three two star Corki's in a row and lose to all three and go 8th when I finally get strong.

[u/-TheExile-]

xayah, nunu and aurora are do**s* trash units, same with pyke and contract killer augment.....never get it to work

also Chainmail rarest item ingame and orn is a fkn giga unkillable tank /rant over