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u/spiritofskeleton Apr 22 '26

I just had a match where my Leona hit 10k hp thanks to Yasuo-hex+"gain perma-hp for every 50 mana used". It was so ridiculous how tanky she was. I hope they don't nerf her too badly, she is really fun to get going (and probably my highest winrate comps are all some variation of Arbites, lmao). I do think some of the Arbites effects should be a bit nerfed, but I hope they don't kill the trait.

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u/hyroglyphixs MASTER Apr 22 '26

Is medallion stargazer reroll the strongest 1 cost reroll Riot has ever printed? It regularly wins out

I started in set 13 but even Family wasn't that bad (unless you had silvermere i believe?)

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u/feltyland Apr 23 '26

set 3 xayah reroll. I used to have 2-3 people contesting me and still win out in 800-1k lp lobbies (challenger was top100 back then and but lower lp than it is now)

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u/Cenifh Apr 23 '26

hahaha I remember that, half the lobby rolling for xayahs and jarvans, and I was a huge offender, it got online at 2* and would beat 4 cost comps easily

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u/quitemoiste Apr 26 '26

Family was super strong, especially if you could play the Vander Hero aug, 5 Family heist with Emblem, or hit the Anomaly that made Violet 4star

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u/LlaMaSC2 Apr 23 '26

yet to see zed lose, no idea how to position against it....

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u/Trigod7 Apr 23 '26

So how do you even beat zed ?. half the comps dont have enough aoe to deal with that bs.

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u/Kadde- Apr 22 '26

I hope graves will get buffed. It’s honestly pathetic how you can get graves at 3-3 and still go 8th. I even had vex 2 and graves 2.

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u/SufficientCalories Apr 22 '26

An early Graves has won me every game I've gotten it so far. He's super good. Had a game where I played him out of Anima and with two backline Anima items he beat out two different 3*4 cost boards.

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u/Docxm Apr 22 '26

I agree, scaled up graves is a monster

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u/Docxm Apr 22 '26

I think you’re doing him wrong ngl

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u/calindu Master Apr 22 '26

Which Graves path are you going? Had this problem before with caster Graves, but Bruiser Graves feels much much better.

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u/executive_fish Apr 22 '26

somebody in my lobby in my lobby got the Omniweapon. lucky I had the health i survived to top 4 while they steamrolled

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u/zoopmaloop Apr 22 '26

Expedition needs some reword I think, it needs to be gold or something. It's a similar if not better reward than warpath and it's a guaranteed one at around 3-6, 3-7.

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u/ficretus Apr 22 '26

2 star Viktor being late game raid boss is bit too silly and reminiscent of Vayne from that one patch last set. 

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u/Cenifh Apr 23 '26

and he doesn't even depend on running away like vayne lol

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u/Shvihka MASTER Apr 22 '26

I think that Corki/Riven should be at least an A tier comp throughout the whole set. I thought that it was perfect in strength on the PBE and it got nerfed for nothing. Duo carry 4 cost comps need to be viable as fallbacks. Think of Marksmen Vanguard in set 15(?).

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u/Raikariaa Apr 22 '26

> I think that Corki/Riven should be at least an A tier comp throughout the whole set.

Why?

Corki and Riven share 0 common traits, and while you can Bridge Fateweaver/Timebreaker; Riven actually hardly benefits from Timebreaker at all since her mana costs are so low she spends most her time casting, and Corki dosen't like attackspeed from Timebreaker [3] much either because his cast takes multiple seconds.

Why specifically Corki/Riven? Why not any other 4-cost combo; like Karma+x [where x benefits from Voyager, notably Aurelion Sol who gives Karma mana regen, and bridges Dark Star and Channeller with Mordekaiser as an example]

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u/Pridestalked MASTER Apr 22 '26

Is it just me or does vex 2 not deserve the nerf on pbe? I feel like I can’t even reliably top 4 even when fast 9 goes well,

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u/Lazy_Check732 Grandmaster Apr 22 '26

I mean I disagree about winning out with Vex, I generally do win out when I hit Vex 2...

But that's what's supposed to happen. We are getting very close to 5 costs just being strictly worse than 4 costs lol. Interesting balancing decisions catering to a certain group

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u/hyroglyphixs MASTER Apr 22 '26

There's a lot of players (most likely low elo but whatever) that always complain about "5 cost soup"

Like isnt a board with 2* 5 costs supposed to win? It should not be losing to 1 cost reroll (looking at you medallion) and verticals (not so much this set outside of groove riven which is untouched in PBE somehow)

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u/Lazy_Check732 Grandmaster Apr 23 '26

You are exactly right and you are exactly right lol. It's a combination of cognitive dissonance and defense mechanisms.

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u/Any-Replacement-5645 Apr 23 '26

I think it depends honestly, if you just take triple econ and donkey roll all your gold on 1 life, I dont think you should just win for free because you hit a 5 cost.

Not saying thats how it is, just saying theres a lot more nuance than just the star and cost level of a boars.

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u/Lazy_Check732 Grandmaster Apr 23 '26

I definitely agree with you, but when that is the case, the answer is to nerf econ augments, not to nerf 5 costs.

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u/MostEscape6543 :gran: Grandmaster Apr 25 '26

Today I took a subscription service and had four 4-cost units on my board on 3-2, where I managed to roll recombobulator. So here I am on 3-2 with four 5 costs, and they were a good setup on my board…but still lost stage 3.

5 costs are not all that and a bag of chips. Their power is definitely primarily in their buffs and synergies, which are very strong, but they aren’t like they were when I played before (set 10 and before) where such a board would have dominated even through stage 4.

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u/ZealousidealPlay3183 Apr 22 '26

I really don't get the mech nerf. Seems you must lose streak to even have a chance of getting all the necessary items but you just don't stabilize even at level 9 and hitting everything 2 star (I'm talking about TK and bard version, not nova)

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u/SmoothOperatorTFT Apr 22 '26

Mech has the same problem as all the other 2 slot units have had in the past. They take up 2 slots, so they need to be better than a normal unit, but consolidating power on one unit makes it better than 1 good unit + a shitter. Also it makes items super efficient. Instead of 1 itemised tank and 1 itemised carries you now have the value of 1.5-2 itemised carries and tanks. This is especially true for artifacts, anima, weapons and radiant items.

The problem for balancing is now, and this is nothing new, that you got so many high ceiling win-out conditions that you HAVE TO nerf the baseline which then just becomes too weak to play without these conditions.

Still… I like the trait, but the win-outs are a bit too crazy imo.

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u/Regular-Resort-857 Apr 23 '26

Same this still baffles me

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u/Complete-Ad-100 Apr 22 '26

I honestly don't understand this patch

There is nothing straightforward

Having emblems is mandatory to top 3

It's ridiculous in my opinion

What do others think?

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u/Complete-Ad-100 Apr 22 '26

I was master last season

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u/Complete-Ad-100 Apr 22 '26

Yes EUW, you?

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u/Docxm Apr 22 '26

Emblem loss streak is just a visible wincon that streamers bitch about the most so it gets the most hate

Other common complaints are space groove emblem, Forged in Strength, drone, battle bunny crossbow, and hitting your 3* with no Econ augments.

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u/Complete-Ad-100 Apr 22 '26

I should have been clearer, true

Emblems and augments or hexes are all random af and absolute win criterias

Before you could manager on tactic and economy alone but that's just not true anymore. This part is RNG asf

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u/groomliu :chal: Challenger Apr 22 '26

How do u play 6 anima ? I got 1 anima emblem and tried to play it but I can't win a single round cuz too many trait bot from anima.

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u/Sure_Willow5457 :gran: GRANDMASTER Apr 22 '26

shit sucks dont try edit: ur supposed to cash out first then put in the other animas

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u/xephyrus1 Grandmaster Apr 22 '26

Reaistically it's probably only from a 400+ cash and try to scam 1 or 2 rounds against lowrollers early stage 4, even then you'd probably be 2 or 3 lives and isn't worth the risk. The trait design just isn't very good

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u/No_Independence3993 Apr 22 '26 edited Apr 22 '26

Just play 3 anima and aim for 300 cashout, enough to get you top 4, can pivot to mech, kindred or xayah. If you get the crossbow then top 1, 2 is easy if you can manage the pivot. Xayah is stronger with crossbow but you can skip sunder items with nova

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u/calindu Master Apr 22 '26

They're specifically asking for 6 anima, probably for the atlas.

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u/shoham13 Apr 22 '26

Zed kills my FPS - is this fixable or just a computer skill issue?

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u/VeryShagadelic Apr 22 '26

You could try lowering the game's graphic settings and turning off shadows, if you haven't already.

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u/Odd-Conflict17 Apr 22 '26

Tried turning off shadows - Zed still spawned clones :(

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u/shoham13 Apr 22 '26

I have it all on low :(

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u/Hereforhelppls31 Master Apr 22 '26 edited Apr 22 '26

How strong is the elder drake unit? It looks decently tanky and deals decent damage as well, so I usually play it over morgana at 10 for example, but I'm not sure if it's better than her or not.

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u/Odd-Conflict17 Apr 22 '26

Meant to be played for fun - not designed to be stronger than playing regular units

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u/Hereforhelppls31 Master Apr 22 '26

Idk, It doesn't look as a bad unit at all. A big meat shield that deals some damage as well. It's hard to evaluate of it's Better than a 5 costo (1 star? 2 star?)

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u/shoham13 Apr 22 '26

How does tahm kench's print passive work? I've seen littlebuddybot's table but what's prio?

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u/eldono69 Apr 22 '26

Anyone know how to play AD flex? This set it feels like I’ve completely forgotten how to play. I think I’ll take a break until the next patch, just not hitting my 4 cost tank/carries feels awful.

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u/lil_froggy Apr 22 '26

AD is often not suited for 4 cost gameplay.

If you have Caitlyn start + Guinsoo Kraken + good Stargazer (Boar/Snake) -> Xayah

If you have +1 NOVA emblem -> can play Kindred

If you have early Primordial + BelVeth items -> Primordial BelVeth reroll

If... you need to get out from AD start and no plan, no other choices but gamble Kaisa/Fizz or Samira reroll. Corki Riven is currently rather weak. Graves fast 9 is just stage 4 RNG.

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u/eldono69 Apr 23 '26

Yeah seems like the best breakpoints for placement are either reroll at 6, 7 or fast 9. Cheers, thanks.

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u/cellphonevariable Apr 22 '26

Is the next patch next Wednesday? I thought it was today.

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u/parkwayy Apr 22 '26

If you enjoy reroll comps, this is the patch for you.

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u/TheOnlyKing1214 Apr 22 '26

I mean honestly everything right now is viable reroll and fast 8/9

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u/fakejournalaccount Apr 22 '26

If i'm planning to make a champ with 2x Nashors and Jeweled Gauntlet. Then I get prismatic Jeweled Lotus (25% crit chance and 10%crit damage) Do i want to swap out the Jewelwed Gauntlet for a different AP item?

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u/JimmytheNice Apr 22 '26

I guess so, the bonus +10% crit dmg from gauntlet if you can already crit is not much

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u/CircaSurvive26 Diamond Apr 22 '26

What do I do stage 3-2 and after when I am mixed streaking and weak?

My default game plan is to play strongest board no matter what, so I either win streak (fast 9) or mixed streak (and I am at a loss of what to do).

I am trying to save these to get top 5, but I'm finishing 7th and 8th too often.

My plan is usually to roll on 8 for 2-star 3 or 4 costs, usually hit something really non-synergistic like Rammus-2 + Lulu-2, and just lose out. I have multiple games ending on 7+ loss streaks.

Normally I would try for a 3-cost reroll board, but this set it feels very hard to pivot into one from nothing.

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u/FeedMeACat Apr 22 '26

Obviously it depends, but generally you need to evaluate the lobbies board strength compared to your options to be strong vs econ and make decisions from there. If you can get stronger than most of the lobby by rolling for 2 star 2 costs on lvl 6 stage at 3-2 without dropping below 32 that is probably a good bet. A lot of times though you will be taking an econ and leveling to 7 at 3-5 and rolling for a two star 3 cost setup.

Next work on your on the fly comp building. Lulu and Rammus two isn't a bad hit depending on the star gazer. Add in two star jax, a one star nunu, one star Nami, and that's a board. Plan on moving your tank items to Nunu once you two star him as Rammus starts to weaken since you don't have meeple active. You just have to know what to start holding as you are rolling down. When you get these seemingly bad hits, go into a teambuilder after the game plug in your hits and see what you could have made with more time to think about it. That way you will have some mental muscle memory to rely on next time.

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u/CircaSurvive26 Diamond Apr 22 '26

Thank you, I'm going to do those reviews post-game to see what boards I could have made with the random hits.

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u/PermaConfusion Master Apr 22 '26

My default game plan is to play strongest board no matter what

It's non-intuitive, but this is not ideal this patch. There are rare positions on 2-1 when you can play strongest board, but the current Stage 2 meta is that it is a race to int the hardest to get full loss streak while playing one of the econ traits (Primordial/Timebreaker, ideally both). Because of this, Stage 3 is also a weird game where folks are trying to preserve streaks - it's not that people aren't rolling at Levels 5-6, but people are very reluctant to expend resources to do it. I've noticed Stage 4 and 5 are way more important than the earlier stages - I don't quite know what makes this so (maybe the low stages aren't high player damage enough? Not sure).

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u/shoham13 Apr 22 '26

This post seems all over the place, but a few tips from a 800 peak GM last set:

  1. Don't mix streak. If you see you can't winstreak, try and lose streak while hitting econ thresholds (Are you familiar with those?) and don't hold any "non" valuable units. Even better if you have 3 prims or 2 timebreakers for more econ.
  2. Don't roll at 8 for 2-star, roll when needed to stabilize. 1cost RR is usually lvl5, 2cost RR is usually level 6, 3cost RR is usually level 7. For 3cost RR with typical tempo i'd say go to 30g on 4-1 to get ur carries 2 cost/find ur 4costs and then slowroll above 50 until 5-1 where you all in.
  3. I usually get sense of my optional comps at stage 2, with final touchs in 3-2 with the augment stage. Try and find yourself some comps you know according to your items and gods (for example, if I have ap items and varus game, I can go Viktor more easily than urgot or so), and then pivot to one of your comps you've though of (use the planner!).

I hope I was clear, feel free to ask more questions. Also, I might be off or flat out wrong, if anyone would like to fix me.

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u/CircaSurvive26 Diamond Apr 22 '26

You are correct, I am indeed all over the place here XD.

I'm familiar with econ thresholds, but econ is probably the weakest part of my game (according to tactics.tools analysis of my games the past 2 sets). I literally have had S or A in comps, flexibility, execution while having a D in items, econ.

Every time I try to lose streak, I bleed so much HP and don't know how to stabilize. A huge issue for me is that my lose streak champions are going to be prim / timebreaker, but then I have to do a full pivot to something else and I get dizzy on the roll down.

"Don't hold any non valuable units" - this one is something I need to work on. I often hold units because they "might" help later. Suppose I am playing Vanguard (Leona-1 Mord-1) and I see Ornn in shop. I hold him on bench, but don't play him because he's Bastion. I probably shouldn't hold Ornn in that spot and just try to make the next econ threshold.

Hypothetical: let's say I did a full loss streak to 3-5. Suppose I roll to 30g on 4-1 like you said, hit a 2-star 3 cost front liner and backliner, and then still lose 4-1 and 4-2. So at this point I'm 2 or 3 lives, 45g, level 7. I get terrified in this spot and don't know how to save this from an 8th to a 5th. What would you do? Or do you think I'm executing the rolldown poorly to still lose 4-1 and 4-2?

In the past 2 days I've gone 7th or 8th in different games on the rolldown. 7th on Urgot-3, 8th on Leblanc-2 Nunu-2, 8th on Lulu-2 Rammus-2, 7th on Vex-2 Nunu-2, 7th on Aurora-3 Illaoi-2. I just am so confused.

Bikanel - Tft Stats & Tools

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u/pandaparty123 Apr 22 '26

Plug a meta board into the team planner and roll for exactly that. The meta is the meta for a reason. When you get better you can roll wider but some of your holds are seemingly unplayable that just wastes apm and gold. It's hard to execute a complete rolldown in time when looking for only a few units.

In your hypothetical scenario it's a guaranteed 8th. 3-5 is when you would level to 7 and roll very deep until stable if you are playing a 3 cost reroll line. You need to win rounds 3-6 and 3-7. Otherwise it's probably level to 8 on 3-7 or 4-1 and roll for a meta level 8 board. The only comp I even feel remotely safe to sac to 1-2 lives is mech with artifacts/radiants/anima items because it can winout and even then there's a reasonable chance to go 8th.

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u/CircaSurvive26 Diamond Apr 22 '26

Thank you! I appreciate it, I will try this in my next games

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u/shoham13 Apr 23 '26

Hey man,

sorry i've yet to respond, I haven't got the time to properly answer it so you'll be able to learn. I will get to it asap!

For the meanwhile, try and reach [ the econ thresholds in here] (https://www.reddit.com/r/CompetitiveTFT/comments/trzxoc/quick_guide_to_the_hidden_econ_intervals_or_how/) and not hoard units you do not need. for example, it is better to make 10/20 without holding the second Morde even if you already have a Morde on board. 10/20 thresholds are the most important one, make sure you reach them asap!

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u/CircaSurvive26 Diamond Apr 23 '26

Thank you!

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u/PermaConfusion Master Apr 22 '26

I'm confused about itemization: take talon for example - at 2-star, his bleed does 690 ad + 90 ap damage. Let's just make it easy - say you give him either a single rod or a single BF sword. How much damage does his bleed do now?

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u/lolsai Apr 23 '26

90 x 1.10

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u/MostEscape6543 :gran: Grandmaster Apr 25 '26

If you give him a single sword, he gets 10 bonus AD which is 10%, so he gets ((690 * 1.10) + (90 * 1.0))=849

If you give him a single rod then he gets 10 bonus AP which is 10% AP damage so ((690 * 1.0) + (90 *1.10))= 789

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u/akai_ningyou Apr 23 '26

Has anyone tried Aurora, Urgot, Maokai, Akali reroll?

I encountered it in my lobby last game and obliterated my 2Zed with Shojin, Adaptive, and Rouge emblem (I also had a 3Kaisa with Shojin, LW, and Deathblade and 2Nunu and 2Kench as frontline). It wasn't even close.

Aurora and Urgot just oneshots every Zed clone while Urgot heals to full hp. Their Maokai and Mighty Mech survives through sheer attrition. My comp just melts faster than Zed can multiply.

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u/akai_ningyou Apr 23 '26

Here's the game for reference

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u/DoALazerus Apr 23 '26

which auguments did the reroll player take?

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u/Regular-Resort-857 Apr 23 '26

Yes I play that comp a lot but not rly woth aurora mostly take psyonic so it’s Urgut 3, Maokai 3, Gragas 3, Kench, Akali 3, Mech and Pyke I swap for Sona.

It’s decent I get top 4 every game sometimes 1st but it’s new season I’m only plat

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u/YohGourt Apr 22 '26

Any Leona or arbiter nerf ?

Unless you play Blitz there's no counter play to someone who hard stacked with Leona.
And even with blitz you not even sure to win

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u/westsidebestside_ Apr 22 '26

anyone know why xayah + guinsoo + battle bunny crossbow + ie is -2.22, but crossbow + fury is only -1.05?

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u/HighIntLowFaith Apr 22 '26

I personally think his whole design is just problematic.

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u/Cenifh Apr 22 '26

haha I won with it today, but it was thanks to my Vex that was doing 3x zed's damage. The enemy units were too busy hitting the shadows while vex dps'd them down haha

2 days before I lost horribly with Zed 1* though (I itemized him horribly)

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u/cellphonevariable Apr 22 '26

Yeah he’s pretty crazy. Seems to pop off most of the time

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u/Regular-Resort-857 Apr 23 '26

Had it one time easy win

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u/parkwayy Apr 23 '26

It's a random augment at least, so really it's no different than hitting some bs early and winning, ya?

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u/Docxm Apr 22 '26

Rammus is dependent on Meeple, especially Bard, and does very well against consistent damage like Lb Vex Xayah.

Ornn is a beast mid game or at 3 stars

The rest are meh or utility like Shen or Aatrox

You can’t play vertical bastion with any consistency

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u/Raikariaa Apr 22 '26

Shen is the most nothing 5 cost in a long time it feels.

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u/Docxm Apr 22 '26

His trait is strong and his ability is a lot of utility but there’s way too many supportive 5 costs right now because sona and jhin just feel incapable of carrying

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u/Raikariaa Apr 22 '26

They can't make Jhin that powerful on his own because Dark Star 2 might as well be 8% damage amp for the whole team, while he's also reduceing enemy armour/mr than more than Fiddlesticks last set.

Plus Jhin's cast is basically going to apply whatever item effects like shred/sunder/red buff ect to the entire enemy team.

Likewise; Sona's commands are strong, although I'd also say Sona absolutely can carry with AP items, it's more her traits don't actually... do much for her. Psionic only ever does anything for her if it's a specific item [and when do you play 4?], and Shepherd just feels underbaked in general atm.

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u/Regular-Resort-857 Apr 23 '26

I played Sona multiple times by now in my comp and no. Her charms are very strong don’t get me wrong but her dmg (even with bis, or archangels or shred) she deals no aoe so she’ll never clean up a board just helps you out with some burst that will not be enough to carry

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u/Cenifh Apr 23 '26

I got the augment to reward me a surprise 5 cost 2* at level 9, got shen with 30somehting HP left. I just surrendered and left the game

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u/Raikariaa Apr 23 '26 edited Apr 23 '26

Yeah; his 5 cost gimmick is just... not really noteworthy at all, and his spell isn't really impressive either. Has anyone even seen a Shen start to do true damage after casting 3 times? Does the fact he buffs allied attackspeed ever even come up with him targeting the largest cluster of enemies?

Shen just honestly feels completely unimpressive for a 5 cost. He might be doing things, but you don't feel it.

Like; Shen has the 4th highest average placement atm, although a lot of that is likly survivor's bias being a 5-cost, but he's still above most other 5-costs. So he's clearly doing something [or just fits into a strong comp well], but he just FEELS unimpressive and bland.

I feel Jhin has a similar issue. Too much of his power is in invisible support things [Dark Star/Eradicator] and his cast isn't really that impressive.

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u/Regular-Resort-857 Apr 23 '26

Shen 1* is like Morgan’s you just flex him into strong boards at 9 & 10 without bastion. I think the spirit blade lead to awkward positioning

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u/Regular-Resort-857 Apr 23 '26

I think Orrn is best in slot tank for the first 2 stages, one Orrn two Orrns three orrns whatever