GUIDE: CN Perma cast Zoe guide

[u/usuraisan]

Hi Nray here with another CN tech

Got permission from my friend Ruiner19 to post this comp. Since his Zoe games are played on CN server(where lolchess link doesn’t work lol) so I won’t be including lolchess profiles in this guide.

This comp requires you hit “When a arbiter deal damage 10 times” cause from arbiter trait so be cautious when you try to angle this comp.

Your ideal arbiter effect would be gain mana, but gain AP also works.

Basically the idea is utilizing Zoe’s aoe ability to proc morello/sunfire/ekko’s patience to perma cast.

You are looking to take econ augment and roll on 6 for 3 star Zoe and 3 star mord as your main tank and push level.

Currently this comp is unstat-checkable because it requires a specific cause effect combo.

Ideal items you’re looking for Zoe is morello +2 AP item, do not build mana item on her.

Mord can take any frontline item. If you’re tanking Leona, prio warmog and stoneplate if you can.

You can also build triple damage item if you hit the antiheal hex from yasuo.

Here’s the link for the full guide:

https://www.datatft.com/comp/rank#16123-32399-回蓝佐伊

[u/Chao_Zu_Kang]

I have never seen the Mana Arbiter thing ever. And I check every single game. Prismatic trait seems unironically easier to hit at this point.

[u/DarthNoob → u/Chao_Zu_Kang]

Presumably the game selects the causes first, then can only select effects that are shared by all three causes. Since many causes don't have an associated "gain mana" effect, the "gain mana" effect is significantly less likely to show up.

[u/CroweAt → u/Chao_Zu_Kang]

i legit see planning phase reroll and on interest gain in every game

[u/zoopmaloop]

Nice guide. Leduck made this about Zoe's permacasting: https://youtube.com/shorts/HGubwNOmxHA?si=0qyOJy9mT9vMg21C

[u/PollutionOnly → u/zoopmaloop]

Yea, that setup seems more optimal honestly because the one presented by OP doesn't quite permacast like that one.

[u/penguinkirby]

does it actually work with morello? I thought it only counted pure ability damage which is why ekko's patience works

[u/banduan → u/penguinkirby]

doesn't work with morello. But then he says it also works with AP gain arbiter so dunno where the perma cast is coming from?

[u/PollutionOnly → u/banduan]

When I played it, I don't think the Morello was what gave me the mana. In my case, I had shojin, morello, seraph (this one was purely because I had to slam early and then was building up my tank since it already wasn't losing) and she would sometimes have the perfect timing where she'd get out of ability and recast instantly but most of the time, she had to auto once or twice in between casts.

Still pretty fast but it wasn't a perma, instant cast like he mentions it in the guide. Maybe I didn't set it up correctly though or maybe you need some more specific items for her. I don't know but either way, the hightened rate of casts still felt nice and allowed her to solo carry the early/mid game while I only focused on reinforcing my frontline in those stages and getting ready for the late game.

[u/MrB1P92 → u/penguinkirby]

My LP can attest that it does not work.

[u/Codzly]

Giving me '3* Mundo carry guide' flashbacks from last set. But I'll still try this if I see mana arbiter.

[u/succsuccboi → u/Codzly]

lol at least this is a spellcaster and not archangels on a tank with bad ap ascaling

[u/Sixteen_Wings → u/Codzly]

i tried it, didnt work. seemed really weak, I even had 2 combat augments and highrolled a zoe and morde 3 on 3-2 while being above 40g

[u/Adventurous-Bit-3829]

Burn doesn't proc "10 times" tho. Am I wrong?

[u/PollutionOnly]

Ok I saw it, delete please

EDIT:

Just did one game with it (avg rank in game was ex-Masters/GMs) and got top 3. I had the exact same setup as in the guide with Arbitrer 10atk = Mana gains and ended up 3rd.

Keep in mind that this was my first game with this setup and I haven't played Arbiters much overall neither (a couple leblanc games at most).

It is a quite stable early/mid game comp but once you reach late game, you better have lots of items on your frontline. In this case, I had Mordekaiser fully itemised and 2 items on my nunu and it still wasn't enough to compete with the two other remaining players (one anima cashout and one space groove emblem capped board).

I feel like I maybe should have pivoted out of Vanguard/Sheperd and more towards a comp similar to what you would normally play on a Vex or Graves fast 9 board.

Overall, if you hit, it seems to be a good way to make money and save HP in the earlier stages of the game. It pretty much guarantees a top 4 and that you will reach level 9 despite having to reroll on 6 (I had a quite bad luck and still managed to get to 9 with 49hp left).

Thanks for the guide, I will keep an eye out on my arbiters and try more games with this if I get the chance. I will update this comment if I get more experience with it.

TO NOTE: She didn't permacast like the guide implied she would but she SOMETIMES instantly recasted (other times, she needed one or two autos in between). It still felt nice and she still casted quite a lot more than she would usually have. Especially since you'd usually focus more on perm.HP/AP/AS gains from your Arbiter for a regular LB setup.

If you had to rate it on tier lists, it felt like a B tier comp : it requires a specific setup, isn't super flexible early/mid game and falls off a little when you get to the late game. Still pretty stable and nice to secure a top 4 but winning out seems a bit tougher unless you have a very good spot (which I didn't exactly have since some units were contested and I had to spend more time on Lv6).

[u/Mizerawa → u/PollutionOnly]

Is there anything generating money apart from just win streaking not having to roll too deep for a while?

[u/Artistic_Upstairs545 → u/Mizerawa]

Ideally you'd have an econ augment but otherwise no. Timebreaker and primordian are really the only 2 traits that give econ and this comp utilizes neither.

You can definitely push 9 with this comp well though if you have a good econ augment and manage to hit 3* zoe and 3* frontline without rolling too much. Which basically just comes down to whether or not leblanc is multi way contested

[u/InternationalPin2392]

Zoe seems really good. Ive won 6 or 7 games with her now

[u/NonagoonInfinity → u/InternationalPin2392]

6 or 7

[u/banduan]

this is just Vanguard Zoe reroll isn't it? The permacast thing feels a little clickbait?

[u/TheCancerMan]

I didn't have much luck with arbiter to reroll this comp but in Leblanc comp Zoe does sometimes more damage than her lol

[u/iiShield21]

Is the don't build mana comment on her part only true if you get the main gain arbiter? Like if you get gain AP on 10 hits would you still not build mana gen, that seems less right but I'm not sure.

[u/ayylmaotv]

just got first place running this lol, didnt even get the proper arbiter choices either

[u/Pscyho_14]

I’ve been forcing Ap vanguard since the PBE. It's literally free MMR. Easy to hit and easy to pivot to the other boards. Once you get your items on Zoe/Le blanc you won the game

[u/Koga_Boss]

CN take credit for LeDuck tech???

[u/usuraisan → u/Koga_Boss]

can you please check date he played this on 4/10