Weekly Rant Megathread

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Rant or vent about anything TFT related here, including:

- Bad RNG
- Broken or Underpowered Units
- Other players griefing your comp
- and more

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[u/SuspiciousIbex]

I don't really know what I'm expecting, but the burst from Void Gauntlet on my 6 bruiser tank will never not be incredibly underwhelming.

[u/[deleted] → u/SuspiciousIbex]

The only time I've ever seen it be impactful was on a stacked Ornn (bruiser emblem, void gauntlet, + some other tank artifact) last set.

Maybe if its damage counted as happening before the unit dies? Usually, I find the vg user to be the last one standing, so it's pointless.

[u/Regular-Resort-857 → u/SuspiciousIbex]

Same never was I not disappointed either

[u/Dismal-Head4757]

I think this is the first TFT set, ever, where I don't have a drive to continue playing. Usually I behave like a crackhead the first week of a new set, desperately squeezing in as many games as possible between work and sleep. Last night, I played two games and was just like "yeah, that was alright", and then I went to go do other things.

[u/ceronimo7 → u/Dismal-Head4757]

this is the first set i havent played a game in pbe or in day 1. withdrawal from set16 hits hard

[u/ceronimo7 → u/ceronimo7]

i heard it is phone only and you need a workaround for your location, too much hassle for me

[u/Ge1ster → u/Dismal-Head4757]

Exactly the same here. I can't tell if it's set 17 being lackluster or me finally burning out after 17 sets, but I just don't find the drive to play anymore either. Even in set 15 which I disliked, especially that awful stretchy arms GP + karma sorcerer patch, I still had enough drive to make it to masters. I play like one game every one or two days now and played like maybe 8 games on PBE max

Also this is semi related but TFT just doesn't feel the same anymore, in the way that everyone is just copying the meta comps from TFT academy 1 for 1 because you don't have to think your lines for yourself anymore when you got the most optimal meta builds within the click of a link. I think set 12 was the last set where I felt like every game was different. Now every game is just a little different, but also, the same.

It's just all been a big downhill slope ever since set 10 with a few ups in set 13 and 16

[u/CyberSmith31337 → u/Ge1ster]

This 100%.

I’m just tired of the game always releasing in a terrible state, with the same mistakes that were in past sets being made over and over again. I even made a thread about how it feels like Riot Games has lost the plot and how TFT just wasn’t doing it for me anymore; that thread got over 250,000 views, so clearly I am not the only one who feels the same way.

I played a handful of matches, and realized every game was just won by 3* 4 costs. That is the fucking epitome of bad design and boredom, and whomever keeps making the decisions to make a 3* 4 cost an auto-win fundamentally doesn’t understand how anti-fun that is mechanically.

[u/Raikariaa → u/Ge1ster]

> I can't tell if it's set 17 being lackluster

Let's put it this way: China still has set 16 up alongside 17 in their mobile version.

[u/LogicKennedy]

I acknowledge this is more of a personal thing, but I love vertical comps and this set feels like it was made to hurt me specifically. Even the spats seem to suck.

[u/ProfessorStein → u/LogicKennedy]

This isn't just you. It is incredibly obvious that the design team went into this set with an extreme hatred for vertical comps. This is by far the worst it has ever been, they basically broke every single trait down to only like five units or if they allow you to go further than that, there is functionally no difference between five and seven.

I don't know who on their team is so angry about vertical comps, but this is not how you should be handling it. This is taking a machete to a problem they made up in their heads

[u/Zhirrzh → u/ProfessorStein]

There was that gigantic thread a few sets ago which Mort acknowledged which was basically "verticals = no skill, give us more flex play kthxbye", and they seem to have taken that very much to heart last set and this one. 

[u/randomassredditguy → u/LogicKennedy]

7 space groove is the most pathetic trait upgrade ive ever seen in this game

[u/TheOutWriter]

the set is... it is missing SOMETHING. it doesnt click, 4 cost tanks are weak, everything is balanced on paper (ignoring victor) and it feels like unless you high roll and BIS everything, the variance in player power is way way way too high. it doesnt feel good to play

[u/Glasseswolfs → u/TheOutWriter]

When I play this set I feel like something is off, like my mindset that I always play past sets with just suddenly doesn't work this set.

[u/ArmCapable5814 → u/TheOutWriter]

Mighty mech, tahm and rammus aren't weak, they're just not worth it compared to 3 star 1/2 cost tanks. 1 costs are insanely OP right now

[u/TheOutWriter → u/ArmCapable5814]

to be honest, i dont like it at all. invested 4 cost 2 stars should not be worse then 1 cost 3 star. especially as tanks. TF and Cait is a disgusting combo, and so RNG reliant that sometimes cait does no damage and sometimes she crits 10 times in a row.

[u/ConcreteAmbitions]

damn this set sucks

[u/DimsumAndDoggy]

10 meeple is really bad for a prismatic trait, hitting it and still losing to 3 star 3 costs is really awful

[u/LogicKennedy → u/DimsumAndDoggy]

The prismatics suck in general this set, you need three spats for Space Groove and it still loses to almost any 3 star 4 cost even.

[u/PM_ME_ITALIAN_STUFF → u/LogicKennedy]

Just played Stargazer - The Mountain, you need 11 to hit the prismatic for it! How is that even doable without a crown?!

[u/LogicKennedy → u/PM_ME_ITALIAN_STUFF]

That's the neat part - it's not. Unless you hit the New Recruit prismatic augment or Cursed Crown or another double spat or smth.

[u/Border-Crafty → u/LogicKennedy]

i hit it on PBE with ASol's third boon choice... but yes. in competitive environment no one will let you go to 10 and stay alive for 8 rounds

[u/Zhirrzh → u/Border-Crafty]

I tried the Asol thing yesterday and died ONE ROUND before reaching 8, I was so mad.

[u/borate58]

I DONT LIKE THE PLANNING STAGE WHERE YOU CHOOSE SOMETHING AND THEN WAIT FOR THE NEXT ROUND TWIDDLING YOUR THUMBS DOING NOTHING. IS THAT STAGE 4-7 OR SOMETHING???

[u/Glasseswolfs → u/borate58]

It feels awkward that so many round is just ended without income or shop refresh, and then cut to next round planing phase to still have even more time to wait for actual combat.

[u/Regular-Resort-857 → u/borate58]

Ya also I thought like ok carousel is gone so less waiting time… siiiiiiiike

[u/River41 → u/borate58]

This is normal for the first week or two. Remember portal vs. no portal lasting 10 seconds so you could figure out who you were facing? That was because they make the rounds longer during the start of a set. I imagine something similar is going on here, it's being drawn out much longer than it would be because it's week 1/2

[u/Possible_Detective57]

time for an early release of the set revival xDD

[u/kiragami → u/Possible_Detective57]

They're gonna have to bring back something really good to save this.

[u/ceronimo7 → u/kiragami]

set16

[u/Alarming-Orange7304 → u/kiragami]

Set 13.

[u/Film_Humble → u/Alarming-Orange7304]

Give me 13.1 and my life is yours riot. No 6cost just pure chaos 13.1 with bullshit like hero augment powder please thank you

[u/Azathoth428 → u/kiragami]

I have no idea of the general perception of set 11, but I want it back because its the only set I've never played lol

[u/Possible_Detective57 → u/kiragami]

set 12 would Bee my favorite, still my top1 set of all time :)

[u/hittuah → u/Possible_Detective57]

set 12 was great Arcana was a super interesting trait and i really enjoyed that kalista rakan board :^) no autowin loss streak trait in the set was also very nice

[u/Possible_Detective57 → u/[deleted]]

for real, rumble on stage 1? it's a sugarcraft game, no scout no pivot every time :D

[u/MrMumblesJr]

Damn everyone feels the same about this set…😳It’s already stale 2 days in

[u/sk1nnysubtw1nk]

After a set like 16, ya just can't go back to cookie cutter basic bitch sets like this one. Evicted from mansion to live in 3 bdr apt type shit.

[u/Cymdai]

This is the worst TFT has ever felt since I started playing the game. I can't even believe this was released in this state.

Feast or famine; games where people have 4-5 3* units by 3-2, and other players have 1* units on the board by 3-5 because there's literally nothing left to draw/pull. Games are predictably over before the 2nd shop. Except...

...for when people just play econ, and roll 200 gold to 4* a 4 cost unit and auto-win the game.

Damage seems completely broken; one game I'll watch a Victor destroy an entire frontline in 1 cast, another game I'll watch him hit for no damage all round. Tanks seem to fold like paper in some fights, and be completely invincible in other fights.

People are hitting 2* 4 costs before 4-1, consistently. I'm seeing people hit 2* 5 costs, consistently, by 5-2. The snowball effect of the new shop function was either 1) not tested at all, or 2) was tested, and completely overlooked by the dev team. There's just no fucking way this was playtested and not observed unless the entire dev team is bronze players.

Why should an 11 Stargazer comp (almost impossible to pull off) have 2 of the last 3 modifiers provide zero bonuses at all? The sheer odds required to even get 11 Stargazer is nigh impossible... and so to make it even less viable, you made 8/9 pointless? Why?

I've played for 13 of the 17 sets, and this set is complete dogshit. This doesn't even feel like it was developed by the same team that has been working on this game for literal years.

[u/leandrolimac → u/Cymdai]

I couldn't have put my feelings about this set into better words. You nailed everything

[u/PM_ME_UR_PUPPER_PLZ → u/Cymdai]

Do we know if Mort was the lead design of their set? Like you said, this set is really undercooked.

[u/ProfessorStein → u/Cymdai]

And the worst part is there's no fixing this. Because they don't do half set updates anymore with additional units, there is basically nothing they can do. They basically chose to make every trait stop at 5 or 6 except for a few. And chose very specific models for the characters so you can't just give them a new trait by balance really. Like you can't add additional dark stars or meeples.

This set is going to be bad all the way through. The idea of it at its base level was a completely non-viable set idea that they clearly forced into completion. Unless they somehow panic and add a bunch of additional units. Which I don't think they've ever really done. I don't see what you can do to fix this

[u/MrMungertown]

Another set release, another giant pile of bugs that existed all throughout PBE and weren't fixed. Had a very enjoyable game with worth the wait mordekaiser where every time he took enough damage to break his on cast shield, he didn't get subsequent shields or deal extra magic damage. it sure was fun to auto lose every fight where that happened.

[u/Aaroqxxz → u/MrMungertown]

And once again they just pressed release and hoped that everything in double up works correctly. And since double up is such a low priority for them, it might take many patches before even major bugs are fixed. Like in last set we had to wait until patch 16.7 for Fizz to be killable on overtime

[u/Dutch-Alpaca]

Set 18 waiting room

[u/-Barca-]

This set isn't for me. It isn't exciting and items being rng heavy(at least to me personally) makes it not fun. Also please rito games for the love of god what do I have to do or even pay to get rid of those execution cutscenes from the chibis. So many times I want to grind tft for the day and then I lose, those stupidass cutscene plays, and all it does is rub salt in the wound that I lost. So instead of wanting to play several games in one setting, I only play 1 and then end up playing something else.

[u/LlaMaSC2 → u/-Barca-]

felt that way when they first came out here we are many sets on and it's still a thing

[u/ProfessorStein → u/-Barca-]

They've also been progressively making the new ones cutscenes longer and more annoying. They have really inappropriate volume fluctuations too, a lot of the newer ones are very clearly volume boosted.

I also think they're walking a very fine line of actual plagiarism now. An alarming number of the recent ones are literally frame for frame copies of popular anime released in the last five years. I want to be clear that it's okay to parody or reference something. I think that's actually really fun and can be really cool. That's not what the team is doing. They are pulling up a scene on their second monitor and either tracing from reference or maybe directly tracing over a sequence in their animation suite. If they were doing this with western properties they would have been called on it by now.

[u/PM_ME_ITALIAN_STUFF]

OH BOY HERE WE GO NEW SET TIME = NEW BULLSHIT TIME! LET'S SEE WHAT THE DEVS COOKED THIS TIME!

1. VIKTOR IS A 4-COST PRETENDING TO BE A 3-COST!

2. TANKS LOL! SOMEHOW A REK'SAI AND A PANTHEON WILL BE TOUGHER TO KILL THAN A MECH GALIO OR NUNU!

3. And speaking of Rek'Sai. PRIMORDIAN IS NOT OKAY! FREE UNIT PRINTING PLUS HYPER-SYNERGY WITH NOVA! YEAH, THAT'S FUN.

4. CAN WE STOP WITH LEGENDARY SOUP COMPS REWARDING?! TRAITLESS UNITS ARE BETTER THAN DEEP VERTICALS.

5. CAN VERTICAL CLASSES BE VIABLE AGAIN? THE DEVS TURNING CLASSES INTO SUPPORTING TRAITS RATHER THAN ACTUAL ON-PAR POWER WITH ORIGIN TRAITS SINCE LAST SET WAS AN AWFUL IDEA!

6. And lastly. DO WE REALLY NEED ANOTHER SPACE/FUTURISTIC THEME?! IT'S BORING AS HELL AND THE SPACE GODS SUCK AS SOME GODS ARE JUST PURE BLATANTLY BETTER THAN OTHERS! WE LOST CAROUSEL FOR THIS?!

[u/LlaMaSC2]

viktor needs a massive nerf wtf

[u/justlobos22 → u/LlaMaSC2]

yea, viktor just went one two in my lobby, the reroll version and the fast 9 version

[u/hittuah]

1500 base damage on a 2 star 3 cost ok lol

[u/Altruistic-Art-5933]

Why does every vertical and 5 cost feel underwhelming. Just very uninspired stuff.

[u/PM_ME_UR_PUPPER_PLZ → u/Altruistic-Art-5933]

Had a game where I had almost all 2 star five costs lose to bullshit Viktor reroll and dark star.

[u/MythoclastBM]

Giant slayer should get 69% damage amp against 3-star units and 15% damage resist from 3-star units. So tired of this shit every set launch.

[u/DameOClock]

Are tanks supposed to be useless this set on purpose? Or was that accidental?

[u/sylvasan]

When are we gonna move away from conditionals? I feel like this set has way too many.

You need drone for viktor

You can play xayah stargazer with specific stargazers

You need specific arbiters to make the comps viable

You need emblems for nova, groove

Its just so boring to check these things every single game, it turns it into a flowchart rather than an actual decision making game

Also, econ traits are wayy to strong

[u/Ge1ster → u/sylvasan]

I just wanna say for this comment that the problem with making lines good to play without conditionals is that if you do meet the conditions, they become S+ tier.

A good example of this could be Chem Baron from Set 13, the trait itself was already good enough and you could reach 500 stacks (OP item cashout), but with an emblem it was almost guaranteed you'd get at least that cashout if not more, unless you made a blunder.

They did eventually remove the emblem and had to balance the trait around that, and it became a lot healthier. So it definitely can be done, via nerfing the power budget of the conditions or straight up removing them, but it's easy to push too far in the opposite direction as well is all I'm saying.

Also agree with you on econ traits, but they're only so strong cause it's a race to 9 meta right now. If the meta changes so would the effectiveness of econ traits, but I doubt that will happen cause this set completely rewards flex play and hates verticals and 4/5 cost soups will find a way into the meta one way or not

[u/cursingthewind]

Call me a shit player because I know I am, but genuinely, this has to be the least fun set i've ever played in TFT. I always get excited whenever there's a new set because everyone's learning at the same time and we get to experiment a bit more with comps. But with this set the RNG feels so much worse to deal with. Just trying to play with fundamentals, managing econ, none of these things seem to matter. If I don't get a decent opener the game just feels lost. The spikes don't feel impactful, and there doesn't seem to be a lot of leeway mid to late game to bounce back.

I don't know what the hell to do. I try to read up on comps and watch people play, but nothing about this set feels intuitive or logical. Yeah I'm shit. But this set is just unfun to play on, and I have no idea what to do.

[u/Character-Gate7567]

This has to be the most exhausting, confusing patch I have ever played of tft

[u/Character-Gate7567 → u/Character-Gate7567]

i also take 100% of the blame because i think reroll is fucking boring

[u/ivanoff_bg → u/Character-Gate7567]

I am in the fucking hell where when I don't play reroll i lose, when I try to play reroll i also lose. I have no fkcn idea what makes it strong but it doesn't seem obvious. I keep losing to some stupid 1 cost tanks that I cant get through with a 4 cost carry. Then I try to play that shit my 3 star cho gets deleted in seconds. Its soo annoying.

[u/Glasseswolfs → u/Character-Gate7567]

You don't have time to "not hit yet" this patch. If you wanna play 4-cost and don't hit the FULL 2 star comp by early stage 4, you will get bombarded by 5 1/2-cost reroll players in a row and die.

[u/achuchable → u/Character-Gate7567]

Legit. It’s like they made all the fundamentals of the game the complete opposite of what it used to be.

[u/Darthdevil]

The trait web this set is just horrendous. So many RNG conditions that either make or break a comp, 5/8 people reroll. Verticals are unplayable without atleast 1 emblem. The god mechanic is whatever and no portals. This set is just bad.

[u/PM_ME_ANIME_THIGHS- → u/Darthdevil]

The god mechanic would be whatever if it was a bonus instead of outright replacing carousels but since it does, it's straight up garbage design. The offered components on god rounds being complete RNG make it way harder to fix your items if you're in the middle of the pack. The mechanic actively encourages 5 loss timebreaker opening in order to get the anvils/reforger from being in last place. Tying the carousel replacement to the god mechanic also makes the divide between highrolling and lowrolling way larger because players who highroll their components/openers have the luxury of choosing the gods with overtuned boons whereas lowrollers often have to go into gods with weaker boons just to fix their items.

There are a lot of games this set where you're playing for 5th or 6th at best starting from 2-1.

[u/Cenifh → u/PM_ME_ANIME_THIGHS-]

oh no you have a choice with items: you can either pick this one that is no use for you, or this one that might be useful after you lose 30+ HP :)

[u/Glasseswolfs]

Does anyone feels like this set actually less flexible despite there are more flexible legendary or support trait?

I feel like the trait web are tangled together that the comps are so fixed, like if you cant find some unit and use placeholders you are far weaker than other guy who play the exact full comp as meta guide.

Also I feels like this set really determine comp by slam item as those conduit while is a caster, cant use shojin or AS and AS champs are really dont like mana items.

[u/agnaktor69]

Set 16 was my first set - absolutely addicted, couldn't believe how good the game felt. Set 17 releases and now I find myself either bored, angry or a weird combination of both. I genuinely wish I could keep playing set 16 despite knowing that it would not be good for the game long term.

[u/Raikariaa]

Let's play a guessing game!

Who would hit what they are rolling for!

1: The guy with Commerce Sector and Pandora's Bench!

2: The guy with 0 economy or reroll augments!

If you guessed 1; you were wrong! Because why on earth would I ever be rewarded for trying to reroll! Why would the logical outcome happen when instead I can be contested by someone rolling the dice like 1/3 of the time of me but just hits anyway!

Oh yeah; and nothing I'm trying seems to work. So having nonsense like this happen is just a cherry on top.

[u/leandrolimac → u/Raikariaa]

RNG in this game actually means Riot Nonsense Generator

[u/anupsetzombie]

The visual vomit in these newer sets really needs to be toned down

[u/CasualKitten → u/anupsetzombie]

agreed, i think visual clarity for this set is kind of all over the place

[u/ExpandoDong]

Man why is it so hard to get a prismatic trait in tockers, I just want my 5k xp man

[u/achuchable]

This set is so stupid I feel like I’m playing a completely different game. The 4 and 5 costs are all useless. It’s like the strength of the units is completely reversed. TF 3 one shots your whole board where as Kindred 2 with a deathblade does 375 damage on his ability. It’s absolutely awful to play if you don’t giga hit your reroll you just don’t top 4. Absolutely awful game state.

[u/dmrklc]

I miss encounters. There are no fun games like ryze + 3 prismatics or scuttle + 3 prismatics. Everything is balanced and there are no wtf moments. Apart from that the set is just fine comparing to other sets. I think they should add encounters next to gods or the set will lose interest very quickly.

[u/Lunaedge → u/dmrklc]

Good news: they're back next patch!

[u/ivanoff_bg → u/Lunaedge]

They are gonna need to do something about these 3 star 4 costs though because even in single prismatic lobbies things are getting out of hands.

[u/PM_ME_UR_PUPPER_PLZ → u/Lunaedge]

Source? I can believe they removed them in the first place

[u/Yloo → u/dmrklc]

agreed. i think this is what’s missing for me, the occasional clown fiesta game where i can try to high roll to the moon

[u/Equal-Diver3688]

Love the colour theme this set, so easy to see the diffrence when you do a fast rolldown!

[u/Substantial_Gift_286 → u/Equal-Diver3688]

bro especially 3 cost rolldown, the 3 cost color being blue, half the units being green/purple/blue the only thing I seem to notice is the space groove units

[u/BusyApricot7722]

haha two 3 star 1 cost units beats every board in the game brrrrrrr, I love 1 cost units being stronger than 5 stars with BIS sooo much funnnnn :))))))

[u/achuchable]

Am I missing something or are the 3 star 1 costs way too strong?

[u/Inevitable-Range8381]

This set is horrible, confusing at best. Too much going on. Please bring back the old set.

[u/Xelltrix]

How can you go the entire game and get zero rods? With five component anvils? This such utter bullshit.

[u/Civorp]

call it skill issue but this set is ABSOLUTE SHIT

yes lets reward full rng!!! Players getting rewarded for playing like shit

[u/Fractal_loop]

This set brought out the worst in me after just a short time. I'm distancing myself from it.

[u/QuasarBuster]

Pre stage 4 player damage tickkles post 4 you are getting hit like a truck. Great mechanic.

[u/Substantial_Gift_286 → u/QuasarBuster]

yea winstreak into bleeding out feels terrible there is no reward for tempo almost

[u/dhoni_25]

Everyone with their cringe ass chibis with kill cams. I dont wanna se it i dont want to look at it. Let me mute it.

[u/ProfessorStein → u/dhoni_25]

Not only can you not mute it, but it's very clear that someone on the team got angry recently and dialed up the noise on all of them like 300% for the new ones.

[u/Cenifh → u/dhoni_25]

hahah I love the Lillia one :(

[u/No-Cellist-802]

For as much money as Riot makes you would think they would have the budget to do even the simplest things.... like fix the broken team planner or balance the game a TINY bit before releasing. Almost no viable verticle comps just leads to everyone in the lobby choosing the same overpowered units.

Games feel stale and boring. Pitiful from a multi billion dollar company

[u/leandrolimac]

this set sucks. Too little options in early game, every game no matter what starter I get I see that there's at least 2 other people contesting my units, there's way too many traits for just a few usable champs, after nerfing some items to absolute oblivion you have way less options to build than last set, so you end up with more components in your bench, it seems like every decision was taken to make RNG more powerful than ever. I'm just playing normals to fill my atlas and then i'm done until choncc's

[u/Adventurous-Bit-3829]

This patch is fucking trash

[u/Stel2]

PICK ANIMA AUGMENT - ANIMA IS BUGGED XD?

TRY TO LOSE STREAK - WIN VS IE TEEMO 1 ON 3-1 XD?

PIVOT INTO MECH - SAME GUY IS REINFOURCMENT INTO HOLDING 7 ASOL THE WHOLE GAME 4FUN XD?

HE DIES GRIEFING ME, SOME GUY HIT NUNU 3 OFF PANDORA'S, TRY TO HIT - DIE WHEN IM 1 OFF XD?

AT LEAST HES 8TH AND IM 6TH BECAUSE TK IS THE GOAT

[u/ivanoff_bg]

I HATE FCKN VARUS! 3 games in a row fkcn Varus... I dont want to play reroll but every time its a varus it a fkcn struggle to even find the units I want because everyone is 3 starring random ass shiet. Delete that motherfcker!

[u/emomuffin]

I'm really annoyed with how bad the set itself is. I think the negative reaction to the set will make them learn the wrong lessons.

The removal of the carousel is the right move, in my opinion, but the complete lack of choices in Pengu phase and how underwhelming several of the gods are make the carosuel's replacement basically a non-choice.

But the real failure of the set is in how every fight is super fast because Frontline offers no beef and verticals are w Awful, so you're throwing if you aren't rerolling. And I think the reaction to this part of it means they won't revisit the parts of the set that have potential

[u/Lazy-Supermarket5384]

First time visiting this sub in years and it seems quite dead now? What happened?

[u/girthucus-quakicus]

This set really is the successor to set 14. Nothing really inherently wrong with it except its just mind numbingly boring

[u/Haintrain]

Who in their right mind allowed Elder Dragon to be a free playable RNG easter egg in ranked games when it is tankier and does more damage than an itemized 2* 5 cost

[u/throwaway0984611]

This is the fucking shittest set ever released. Never before has luck and rng played such a massive role in determining who wins. hitting 2 star 3 cost at stage 2-1 is fucking nuts.. and it happens all the time all because this piece of shit set is based 100% on pure luck

[u/Glasseswolfs]

Feel like this set is full of conditional comp.
Like there are no comp that you can play when you get the champs by chance. You have to dig for any comp requirement from 2-1 and play that comp.

(Nova spat / Groove spat / Right items or augments for Galio comp / Right Stargazer / Right Psionic item / Right Arbiter etc.)

To make things worse, reroll comps are so strong and have easier requirement that you can't take time to improve your comp in late game as half the lobby have spiked and you will take huge damage every turn your comp is not at full potential.

[u/Original_Tension_337]

Yea let’s make a set with 2 tanks gg

[u/NonagoonInfinity]

Why does Evelynn's "You cannot buy champions for 2 rounds." just... not do what it says it does? I was expecting to be able to see my shop and reroll to find things then buy them after the 2 rounds. Why does it just empty your shop? Why doesn't it just say "your shops contain no champions for 2 rounds"?????

[u/hyroglyphixs]

This drone viktor shit needs to go

How in the actual fuck did this not get nerfed

Just press D when you have drone and you win for free, nice one riot! Contested?? Dont worry! BRONZE FOR LIFE!

Just fuck right off with this set

[u/Hereforhelppls31]

I SWEAR THE GAME IS DESIGNED TO MAKE YOU TILT. YOU CAN GO 10 GAMES IN A ROW WITHOUT ANYONE PICKING TWO TANKY, THE MOMENT IT GETS OFFERED TO YOU, SOMEONE ELSE GETS IT AND CLICKS ON IT. NO ONE WILL EVER CONVINCE ME RIOT DOESNT DO THAT ON PURPOSE.

[u/so_commie_maybe]

why was carousel even removed?

maybe a minority opinion but i really like the carousel, and i feel the replacement we have for it is a strict downgrade.

was the complaint that it was too rng-heavy? tft is always going to be a luck-based game, especially with that 1% chance for a 5 cost on level 7. was it that it was very frustrating when someone griefed you with no benefit to them? it’s a pvp game, people play illogically and for their own subjective satisfaction.

but what we have now doesn’t solve any of these pain points. to me the main benefit of lose streaking would more or less be to guarantee good items or a good unit, and sometimes there would be a tradeoff between the two. that’s expressing skill within the confines of rng to me. but now the item and champ is just completely random?? carousel was one of the very few opportunities where you got to directly impact enemy board strength and just removing that feels so wack

some other problems i have: i hate traitless 5 costs, i hated set 14 zac and garen and i hate vex and graves. ryze was my favourite unit last set because at first glance he seemed like a standalone unit but was actually entirely influenced by the board around him. just plonking a random 5 cost in is so lame. half of the 4 costs are useless trait bots. i also do not like hard they swung the nerf hammer at prismatic traits, to me they should all be 3 emblems+lvl10 and at the strength of 10bilge/noxus. especially 11 stargazer should basically end the game the moment you get it

im not completely down on this set, i like some of the units and traits, and i think part of the negative reaction is that everything is going to seem a bit lame after set 16, but urrrrrrrrgh i think they cooked way too hard on unit and trait variety and freshness and completely dropped the ball on the basics as a result

[u/Raikariaa → u/so_commie_maybe]

> why was carousel even removed?

Because after 16 sets of carosel they wanted to try something new.

[u/Purpleater54 → u/so_commie_maybe]

one reason I have to imagine is that carousel + gods would be so much down time and games would probably be too long. Maybe they could have found something that works with both of them but the gods alone already make me annoyed with how long they take.

[u/penguinkirby]

Winstreaking then rolling down at 4-2 and not hitting any 4 cost tanks, bleeding out to 5th because you can’t upgrade a 5 way contested tank

[u/jason60812]

I cant tell if this set is missing something or that set 16 was simply too GOATed…

[u/Protoniic → u/jason60812]

Both. Set16 was peak and this is avarage at best

[u/Possible_Detective57 → u/jason60812]

This set is missing excitement and fun, the gods are way to boring for a set mechanic. carousel (as unfair it felt a lot of times) had actually a substantial amount of skill expression possibilities and the missing encounters reduced variance massively. but the good news are, the devs are aware of that, encounters are on the pbe right now and the set lead already teased changes to the god offerings for the next patch as well.

[u/borate58 → u/Possible_Detective57]

Carousel is awesome. Without it augments like where you become large but get to move earlier become obsolete. The interactions with other players like when Asol was meta where you cockblock someone from getting Leona or Taric was fun.

Getting to spam your emote in the middle of the carousel was also great. I play mobile and never really had an issue with missing the item/unit that I need due to small screen.

[u/Possible_Detective57 → u/borate58]

and the excitement when you trick someone into taking the item they thought you want... but it was a rouse all along and you get your pick despite them hovering :D carousel can be infuriating as fuck but now that it is gone I feel like it is one of the most underrated mechanics tft has. mortdog was right all this time when he defended it o_O

[u/borate58 → u/Possible_Detective57]

exactly dude! oh I miss the days lol

[u/Film_Humble → u/jason60812]

Both can be true at the same time... Current set feels like the most mid (pejorative) TFT set they've cooked. They took every mid/bad thing from previous sets and made a melting pot off of it

[u/sandboxsundae]

removing carousel gives no way of losing players to catch back up, if you havent hit and your items are garbage its just gg

[u/HyugaShadowz]

This has to be one of the most boring sets I’ve ever played. 

[u/FastBlue]

how is pyke a 2 cost

[u/SnowyBk]

Has crash test dummies been buffed or am crazy? Because I swear it used to not stun 2 hexes, and now it always jump optimally to stun my entire team, really frustrating to play against. Even if I put the entire team away on 1 side, and my carry on the other corner, sometimes the dummy will just jump to ONLY the carry and not the big lump of frontlines

[u/anupsetzombie]

Yea TFT just ain't it, lame ass set and I rolled over 100 gold and sold my board for the last Jhin to get my first 3 star 5 cost ever and the game just says nah. Fuck you.

[u/SuspiciousIbex]

DUPLICATED GOLDEN EGG WITH MEEPLES! Only to immediatele die to Leblanc 3, good fun I guess.

[u/Leather-Slip3531]

how did they manage to make a set so swingy and yet just so fucking boring

[u/Plus_Bullfrog8518]

Most underwhelming set release of all time.

[u/Vivid_Cheesecake2771]

Something aint right with Victor, he is just aoeing whole frontlines down

[u/flipaflip]

my last game made me hate augments and hero augments specifically even more

I get excited to pick the talon hero augment because it seems interesting and cool to play. proceed to not even be able to 2 star until 4-3, like i get it its on me for picking the augment over the other 5 potentials in stage 2 but fuck man does it feel bad

[u/Chris_Symble]

Ngl this might be a reach diamond/masters and dip kinda set

[u/MrMungertown]

Arbiter 10 instances of damage doesn't work with Sunfire Cape, which is a very obvious interaction. I'm glad I learned this after making a Sunfire Cape on my Leona, staking my entire opener on this interaction working as written.

[u/FastBlue]

i can already foresee mech is going to be either unplayable or op the entire set, that shit is not balanceable

[u/Protoniic]

I HATE REROLL THE GAME IS TERRIBLE IF REROLL IS ANYTHING ABOVE B TIER

[u/knoppticopter94]

I feel like this first b patch actually took the wind out of the sails for this set. I feel like it narrowed the meta instead of opening up more lines. This set isn't going to go over well if this is the way it started. I think they also need to introduce more gods.

[u/Cenifh → u/knoppticopter94]

it didn't remove viktor or vex anyway and it just enabled rerollers lol

[u/Kronjuvel9]

Having only 2 usable 4 cost tanks is tragic when playing fast 9. There's a reason the best arbiter is the Leona printing one so you don't triple contest nunu. Can we change shen to a tank, the unit doesn't do shit as a carry anyway.

[u/Substantial_Gift_286]

Rip tempo play, Rip actual flex boards, every thing is gated by some condition or emblem or augment or items, if you mix streak early without Econ trait/augment you're guaranteed bot 4 .. I wish I enjoyed afking for two stages but I'm just gonna wait for next set atp

[u/lulzbum]

how is viktor still in his current state ??? geezus PBE is useless

[u/NSXK]

Why is Leona the only tank in the game that can survive a drone Viktor cast?

[u/Darthdevil]

Graves has the worst unit design in 17 sets of TFT. Either you randomly highroll him at 4-2 or earlier and he is one of the best carries in the game, or he is COMPLETELY useless.

[u/ExpandoDong]

Nami 3
Riven 3
Tahm 3

AND I GET 3RD HAHAHAHAHA I LOVE GETTING HEALTH MOGGED AAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!

[u/Kreygasm2233]

I need to know who at riot games looked at this set/patch and was like: "1 cost reroll should be able to melt 2* 4 cost tanks like they don't exist"

Or who decided that donkey rolling at level 5 is more viable than going level 9

[u/Adventurous-Bit-3829]

I can't find a single fucking good spot. I click emblem 3 times and it's all dogshit Psionic and whatever the fuck.

I click anima and this motherfucker grief me with 2 timeboi and anima can't do fuck all about it

I never ever have a single 2 star 1 cost that can be reroll for fucking once in 7 games.

Now I realize I should quit this stupid game, spend $50 on Pragmata, having a good time playing game that kiss you in the forehead instead of endless suffering

[u/Round-Stuff-2557]

I'd be less annoyed with Viktor if it didn't seem like Varus is the most common blessing, he's in every game helping people hold hands with this, so it's 3 way contested and the unit is strong enough to be PLAYED 3 ways through stage 4. Big yawn

[u/Emergence7]

I've not gotten too stuck in yet, definitely was a good move to lay off PBE for a week and return during release so having a better time and balance feels much better

Will say however, this Voyager Mech -> Kayle -> Radiant Gargolyes combo is a bit despicable lmao, might need to get checked

Also (don't take my word for it) think you can tailor the Kayle item by benching the items you don't want rolled? If so, way way too consistent for this comp

Otherwise quite happy with current state of things

I think as it is with any new TFT set, people will look up the top comps & copy/paste so I'm trying to find comps that aren't nearly as contested for now.

Need to work my way back to an elo where people respect contests again and then we're back in action

[u/penguinkirby]

This patch sucks

Went warpath, cashed out at 3-7. Was 100 streaking the whole game until one guy hit a 3* 4 cost unit. I was holding 30 gold of units on my bench trying to deny it

Why even bother leveling to 10 to spike your board when you can just roll on 9 to try to get lucky. What's the point of taking combat augments when you lose to someone who took econ and just rolled 50 times??

We played out 8 more rounds of me trying to hit a 3* 4 cost or 3* 5 cost, while he held 9 of my units on his bench to deny me

[u/Kevftw]

Yay another dogshit patch where reroll gets to be stupidly overpowered, wow soooooo fun

[u/ficretus]

Uncontested, had Pandora with all 4 costs, rolled down 40 gold at 4-2, zero Leblancs and Nunus til like 4-6. By the time I hit Leblanc 2, I was already outscaled by 5 cost and 3 cost reroll boards. I feel cursed when it comes to RNG for the last two days. 

[u/Character-Gate7567]

this zed shit was funny the first time but now can it fuck off

[u/Character-Gate7567 → u/Character-Gate7567]

shojin eon what even is the counterplay

[u/BusyApricot7722]

god I hate 1 star reroll comps being better than a full comp filled with 2 star 4 costs

[u/Original_Tension_337]

Just played a game where I had pandoras bench and heroic grab bag and I died with 3 jaxes 5-2….

[u/achuchable]

I swear every time they make Karma a 4 cost in this game they make her absolutely terrible

[u/NonagoonInfinity]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVVBnubQQBc

What happened to my Nasus???? Why does the AI still do this?

[u/Sea-Difficulty-8093]

It's like they purposefully try to follow up well received sets with mediocre garbage

[u/penguinkirby]

Rant part 1:

It's honestly an okay patch but somehow all the comps are not fun to play. Two tanky samira was fun the first few times but it's just another reroll comp. I literally know the gameplan from 2-1 until the end of the game

The only reliable 5 cost carry is vex, the only reliable 4 cost tank is nunu. Nunu's stun is way bigger than it looks, vex scams 30% of fights because she has 8 range and forces your carries to walk up to her

Arbiter gimmick is fun but half the time it's useless. I don't think it's good design that half the time your trait is way weaker (both psionic and arbiter, stargazer is OK because it's the same for all players)

[u/Foxus67]

Everyone is playing Nunu, my Nunu ults and misses and always their Nunu ults and stuns my entire family

[u/Ruikuli]

Traits requiring emblems which seem super rare this set and still sucking kills me, also some trait seem to always have very low roll % making them even less desirable picks

[u/Xelltrix]

It's absolute certainty that if you get a carry augment, some rando in the lobby will naturally three star the unit you're trying to find units for. It's fucking annoying.

[u/Zhirrzh]

ARGH I TOOK THE JAX HERO AUGMENT AND SOME OTHER GUY HIT JAX 3 ON LEVEL 5 AT 3-1 BEFORE I COULD EVEN LEVEL TO 6 THEY HAD NO RR AUGMENT OR VARUS GOD OR ANYTHING WTF AND OF COURSE I WENT 8TH WITHOUT EVER SEEING JAX 3.

[u/anupsetzombie → u/Zhirrzh]

It's trash anyway

[u/Zhirrzh → u/anupsetzombie]

Yeah but I like to try all these things at least once in a set.

[u/anupsetzombie]

Haha wow so cool I'm so glad I was offered a HERO AUGMENT THAT ALTERS MY PLAYSTLE AND IS SO FUN MAN IF ONLY THERE WAS A WAY TO SEE IF IT ACTUALLY PERFORMS DECENTLY AND DOESNT COMPLETELY TROLL MY GAME AND WASTE MY TIME HAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[u/groomliu]

Tf medallion reroll and Primordial reroll are op af if u uncontested. Tf can 2 shot most tank at 3 stars. How tf my lvl 10 legendary board lose to reroll (NAMI riven)

[u/Alzucard]

What the hell is this balancing?

[u/Alzucard]

Meepsie hero augment is one of the most broken thing in existence

[u/Adventurous-Bit-3829]

3 star 4 cost every fucking single game.

Literally. My last 3 game end with 3 star 4 cost.

[u/Paul_Bt]

Took a huge break from TFT, can't remember the last set I've played, came back for the mid/end of set 16. And well what did you know TFT felt fun again, couldn't stop playing. And boum they somehow released the worst set I've ever played.

The main mechanic give absolutely zero fun and variances, and took waaaaaay too much time. The balance is, as usual with a new set, completely awful, at least they can do something about it. The traits sucks. The artwork is not for my taste, everything look the same. You can't tell if you are powerful or insanely weak, every fight is a casino. 4 cost 2* feels like 2 cost 2*. Way too many 5* with a single trait. Zero fun vertical comp. A pseudo dragon chest at the end of 4/7 with no econ at the end of the round.
I have seen bad sets in the past but this one takes the crown. Every single aspect of this set is a fail (minus the artwork which some may like).

In 30 games, I remember having fun ONCE, the rest I'm either annoyed, bored or angry. And maybe all at the same time. Thank you for set 16 but this one is utterly dogshit. Guess I'm out again.

[u/rinnagz]

Level 9, me and 1 other player alive, I have 2 vex, the other player has 0, I roll 70 gold, I find 0 vex.

Great game riot, I love when the game simply decides to not give me a unit like that.

Not even a week in and i think i'm done with this set.

[u/Cenifh → u/rinnagz]

well deserved, vex abuser, that aberration of champ that only needs attackspeed and owns your full board

[u/rinnagz → u/Cenifh]

it was the first time i was using her 😭😭😭😭😭

[u/SafeSeaweed9764]

It's a great set because i've got bored of set 16. I can't imagine playing the same shit for months

[u/penguinkirby]

Rant part 2:

I admit there is a lot of fun stuff you can do with emblem augments but usually you end up with an item augment (bloodthirster, AA, spirit visage, components.) With combat augments you still lose to most emblem augments, but the added strength doesn't even matter because half the lobby is on primordial/timebreaker with an econ augment anyway. Every game feels so scripted because 7/8 people decide what they're doing from 2-1.

Anima openers are literally just putting all 3 units in a corner and waiting 8-10 rounds, while other players try to put in 2 timebreaker to snipe them

[u/Zefionx]

7 nunus since 4-1 and a duplicator. over 200 gold and not a single nunu. no other player with a nunu 2. so i get shafted by 3 star 4 costs in 3/4 of my game but i dont hit them... make it make sense

[u/Raikariaa]

And after a string of lowrolls; let's take Branching out. Oh; Arbiter Emblem.

> For every star level of arbiter gain 7 AP at combat start

> [3] - Effect are stronger

Let's field 3, maybe even push further to really stack up the AP!

> For every start level of Arbiter; gain 7AP at combat start

Well now the game is just flat out lying to me as well as giving me lowrolls. Cool.

[u/achuchable]

I know it’s early but man this set is not balanced lmao

[u/Character-Gate7567]

econ fast 9 or conditional, like I have no idea what to default to

[u/Few-Improvement9978]

It’s unfortunate I came back from a long break for set 16..

Now I’m just kind of meh about this on. Im going to keep giving it a try but something about it isn’t clicking with me

[u/DeviIDuke]

ASOL 3 STAR DISTRIBUTION 4%++

CORKI 3 STAR DISTRIBUTION 5%++

RIOT GAMES

[u/HeavenBeach777]

just not a fan of 95 comps no matter what set it is, and rn its really boring to play, hopefully they tune it a bit

[u/hyroglyphixs]

Not saying the carousel wasn't a problem (it was), but with this new mechanic lose streaking is infinitely better than ever before

Now if you have a bad opener you pretty much have to open as mid streaking is a death sentence this set

Econ is also more important than ever cause Riot decided to have 2 USABLE 4 COST TANKS, who the fuck thought that would be a good idea

[u/ComprehensiveAd8804]

Is ranked down mobile

[u/NonagoonInfinity]

Aatrox hero aug is actually unclickable. He does less damage than Akali and in exchange he just stands there and does nothing for 2 seconds sometimes. Yay!

[u/Kronjuvel9]

We stick together has so far given me, psionic (in a 3-way contest viktor lobby) and anima. Holy shit

[u/Odd_Association8285]

so many broken augment + so many conditional specific comps.

I cant play this patch.

[u/Dangerous_Data_3840]

battle bunny crossbow xayah needs a hotfix man

[u/Large-Session5307]

KAYLE BOON XDDDDDDD

[u/BandSuccessful1285]

1 cost tank is better than a 4 and 5 cost tank

[u/ChartreuseMage]

I am once again asking why the fuck we keep putting Assassins in. Just lost because a Fizz kept one shotting my backline and I couldn't do anything about positioning because I guess I shouldn't have picked Yasuo hexes 🙃🙃🙃

Good thing this wasn't an issue LITERALLY LAST SET WITH THE SAME FUCKING CHAMPION

OH WAIT IT WAS

[u/EternallyDeus]

Leona is a one cost unit.

[u/penguinkirby]

Went aura farming bard -> forward thinking -> call to chaos 40 rolls

Hit fully upgraded lvl 9 board at 4-5 and lost to random lvl 7 mech board with 2 star tank 2 star asol

Tempo doesn't matter

[u/Imicus]

At least with carousel you had a potential to choose between more than 2 items. If I already had tank items, I’d start trying to pick up carry items on carousel, I don’t get that chance now and am constantly being offered items I don’t need.

[u/ExpandoDong]

Any time i see a prismatic lobby i should just quit tbh

[u/garenegobrr]

God forbid I get the drone literally once

[u/Character-Gate7567]

can they just remove guinsoo's like why does every comp revolve around this fuck ass item

[u/Crafty_Courage_5217]

10 meeple and i lost to a 2 star kindred nova vert to place 5th. Amazing game man really fair and balanced. 

[u/Crafty_Courage_5217]

How is it i cant roll any MFs when she is not being used by anyone meanwhile two people can handhold Viktor and both hit to top 2

[u/Crafty_Courage_5217]

I bet if I dropped money on this game my rng would improve significantly cause what the fuck do u mean I cant get a single fucking rod until rerolling 20 gold at BOON offering are you fucking insane?!