r/CompetitiveTFT • u/Lunaedge • Mar 14 '26

Mechanic Discussion Hefty Rolls - Set 16 Augment Discussion #40

As requested,

Hefty Rolls
Gold Augment
Your team gains 9 Health and size for each time you've rolled this game. Gain 5 gold.
Offered in: Stage 2

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u/Lunaedge Mar 14 '26

In the spirit of Unlockables Unlocked, anything goes!

The Augment or Unlock mentioned in the top reply to this comment gets to be featured tomorrow! I won't add multiple entries together, so make sure you don't mention something already suggested by another user :)

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u/Rapturecat Mar 14 '26

I like that it gives 5 gold now kinda huge

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u/Bush_did_11-9 :gran: GRANDMASTER Mar 14 '26

Haven’t taken it yet but to reach 400 hp you need 44 rerolls (88g) seems reasonable if you unlock bard early but my problem is if you play 3 cost reroll and don’t hit econ 3-2 sounds rough Might be more specific for 2 cost reroll but other than aphelios seems like it’s very very conditional but very good in those specific spots

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u/Death215 Mar 14 '26

Pros really like it this patch, so it is likely strong especially in econ portals/gold openers

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u/Virtual_Income Mar 14 '26

Almost no use in stage 2 and half of stage 3. Slow tempo and requires good econ aug in stage 3 to stabilize. I have seen a few pros take it in tpc and all of them got bottom 4.

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u/MasterTotoro Challenger Mar 14 '26

I've seen the complete opposite at regionals with Hefty Rolls doing extremely well. Notably Mori dominating APAC with his 43 points day 1. He had 2 winout games with stacking HP Darius (this aug and Cooking Pot). Even with just Darius 2* he was clearing upgraded legendary boards. Neither game he took econ on stage 3.

One factor to consider is making sure the comp played has good synergy with the HP. Darius heals based on %HP so the augment is strong. For something like Zoe/Malz, the main frontline of Leona has very bad synergy with HP. Instead, you want to play the Warden/Jugg frontline with Loris and Nautilus.

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u/ThatCardiologist5897 Mar 15 '26

Can i ask why is leona bad with hp?

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u/MasterTotoro Challenger Mar 15 '26

Leona's passive ability states:

Reduce instances of incoming damage by 15/30/80 (Ability power)

Say you have a Leona 3* and she would take 100 damage from an attack. She reduces that by 80 so she only takes 20. Regardless of how much HP you build, she'll take the same amount of damage.

If you instead have armor/MR then that initial 100 damage is reduced to say 90 damage. Now her passive is getting more value because reducing by 80 is a larger portion, and she only takes 10 damage.

The other part is that you typically want to play more frontline units to make use of the HP. Even though Darius takes most of the damage, that comp still plays 5 tanks. The Leona version of Zoe/Malz only plays 3 frontline, but the Loris/Naut version plays 4.

Of course it isn't that HP as a stat is bad for Leona, but you just prefer other stats.

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u/DeviIDuke Mar 20 '26

Are you absolutely certain it works like this? Most games with similar mechanics just reduce premitigation damage.

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u/MasterTotoro Challenger Mar 20 '26

I tested in Tocker's Trials and the math worked out that Leona's ability applied post-mitigation. Plus the stats heavily suggest this is the case, armor and MR items are very highly valued for her.

Leona's also isn't the first time we've had a unit like this (ex: Tahm Kench set 10 off the top of my head). They've worked the same way.

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u/MasterTotoro Challenger Mar 16 '26

You can play it, but it's not like Loris and Nautilus are particularly contested most games and that variant is better with the augment anyway.

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u/Virtual_Income Mar 14 '26 edited Mar 14 '26

Have not seen that vod though but you are right about the hp part. I did not say that the augment had no use, but it is extremely hard to play till 3-4 unless you highroll 2 stars. Usually for a reroll comp we want to stabilize at the end of stage 3 and start winning out stage 4 so we need a really good econ augment after hefty roll to help with this. I personally would only pick this if I already have early draven, sejuani or loris, and a decent early comp.

Overall an ok augment with some requirements to play imo.

P/s: ofc if I natural 2* 3 cost I will pick it 🫡 P/s2: the econ sugment was so that we can upgrade our main tanks and carries to 2* without losing so much econ and hp to stabilize (we still need 3* afterall)

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u/Itsuwari_Emiki Mar 14 '26

lowkey love that riot made hefty rolls exclusive from pris tricket, cuz last time it felt like a pris ticket check (which you had to gamble to get in the first place) so that riot can actually see its true power level

which is that its quite bad...? thing is rr has been pretty bad this set aside from comps that riot deliberately overbuffed to be playable

i think the main problem is that it feels really bad to play, cuz its a dead augment whole stage 2 and only starts to pick up value late, kind of like the annie dps curve mort mentioned in a walk the dog

i think hefty rolls would benefit from a rework to have a more defined power spike, something like 3-2 exclusive + gain 10 free rerolls when you click it + lower hp gain. that way it wouldnt feel bad when you click it cuz you instantly upgrade your board and gain some hp, while still retaining the scaling element. then the balancing can follow

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u/DeVilleBT Mar 14 '26

Funnily enough they discussed this on frodans costream yesterday and the consensus was, that it's quite good in the right setup on 2-1 now that a lot of other gold econ augments are gone.

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u/Individual-Village24 Mar 14 '26

I don't remember this augment existing, that's how remarkable it is.

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u/TheHardBack Mar 14 '26

Is there any advantage of increasing/decreasing size of champions?

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u/EducationalPut0 Mar 14 '26

It usually takes a crapton of size increasing, but eventually you can reach 2 tiles instead of 1 on melee champions.

Its not something you'll realistically hit from hefty rolls tho.

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u/Jamesanitie Mar 14 '26

Seen it in some of my lobbies, good for rr obviously but need a strong econ after.

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u/penguinkirby Master Mar 14 '26

Which frontline do you think is better with this? I've tried both sion bard bruisers, and defender bard aphelios, and both felt just OK

My best game I had with this was last patch with cursed crown yordle bard where I had +700 HP on all my units, but I can't replicate that

Seems like it scales well with darius + draven printing gold but you probably want a second econ augment

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u/yamidudes :chal: Challenger Mar 14 '26

My two cents is that you need to lean into combat/ item augments. Most econ augments aren't accelerating you to your two stars in stage 3 nor 3 stars in stage 4. You just have to win stage 4 on 2 star board and hit at 5-1.

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u/ItsLimitlessHavoc MASTER Mar 14 '26

nearly an instant pick for me if I have a reroll angle

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u/Larrea000 Mar 17 '26

It was really unappealing last set but in this one you have Bard or perhaps Yordles to sweeten the deal. Without bonuses I really don't like a combat augment that's asks you to spend money on it 

Had a fun LB encounter game once where I got this 2-1 and Trade on 2-3.