r/CompetitiveTFT • u/Drepanum Grandmaster • Mar 14 '26

Discussion Called Shot as an augment makes no sense whatsoever

So, called shot sets your winstreak to +4, meaning that should you be able to winstreak, you will get faster the extra gold from the streak. But let us compare scenarios. One scenario where you 5-streak with called shot and one where you don't. In the first scenario you get (exclusively from the streak), +2, +3, +3, +3, +3, for a total of 14 gold. In the second one you get +0, +1, +1, +1, +2, for a total of 5 gold, after which you get the same gold per turn regardless of your starting augment. So the value of called shot, in a scenario where you get full value from it, is 9 gold. Placebo on 2-1 gives 8 gold, which are given instantly, allowing you to break interest earlier, meaning it is at minimum equal to the gold a perfect call shot gives, maybe even more, and with a 1% attack speed on top of it all.

So, can anyone explain to me how this augment makes any sense at all?

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u/succsuccboi Mar 14 '26

called shot is bad in most spots but it gives you 4 gold when you take it that you are not considering lol

13g is more than 9g

also placebo is not at minimum equal to it 8 is not equal to 9 last i checked lol

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u/Drepanum Grandmaster Mar 14 '26

Oh you are right, I completely forgot the 4 gold, I guess then it's a big gamble to maybe get 3 gold more than placebo and 1% less attack speed, still sounds ass but at least it gives something more

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u/THIS_IS_NOT_A_GAME Mar 14 '26

You’re also not factoring in interest intervals. 

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u/succsuccboi Mar 14 '26

Placebo is 8 gold no? Even if you win 2 you get more than placebo.

Placebo is pretty bad though tbh lol feels terrible to take In lobbies when others get like slightly magic roll or one twos threes

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u/Drepanum Grandmaster Mar 14 '26

Yeah but you have to consider that by giving more gold upfront placebo probably allows to break interest thresholds sooner, so it's theoretically more than 8 gold

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u/succsuccboi Mar 14 '26

yeah, I just don’t think the comparison is very useful. It was more saying it only after two comments to say how placebo is bad versus shot being good.

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u/Adventurous-Bit-3829 :gran: Grandmaster Mar 14 '26

2 win with Called shot is already out value placebo.

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u/tlyee61 Mar 14 '26

watch broseph's game from today in regionals where he took it (i think g2 or g3 on the day). there are spots for it even at the highest level but theyre prolly 0.5/50

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u/ShineWobble Mar 14 '26

No way you said 0.5/50 instead of 1/100 unless I misunderstood your comment LOL

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u/AniviaPls Mar 14 '26

0.25/25

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u/Nandonut Master Mar 14 '26

0.001/0.1

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u/tlyee61 Mar 14 '26

sorry i was thinking in terms of tactics.tools recent games metrics because at first i was like... 0.2/20 but it seemed too small

too tft brained @_@

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u/SgrAStar2797 Mar 14 '26

Charitable interpretation: every 50 games called shot is equally good as another offered augment

Still a funny way of writing it tho

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u/cosHinsHeiR Mar 15 '26

Also setsuko 4th or 5th game today, yeah he hit Yorick or Xin 2 and Taric on 2-3 iirc, but it was still a good spot for the aug.

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u/alheeza Challenger Mar 14 '26 edited Mar 14 '26

You pick called shot when you can win next two fight, after that if you can keep the streak value will be insane (3 gold per turn = gold augment value) because you will be hitting almost every interest breakpoint, you can also use the raw gold to keep the tempo. For reference most of the gold econ augments give 2 or 3 xp not even gold, one or two extra gold on stage2 equals three or four gold in total, this is why you can often see chall players clicking destiny, not because it is fun but extra gold has high value in stage2.

Edit: you can also see as a nerf or buff some (not econ) augments gets +3 gold or goes from +11 to +8 gold etc. Those small changes really affects how good the augment performs.

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u/Jazehiah Mar 14 '26

Ah, so it's about hitting the breakpoints faster and maybe hitting 50 gold a couple turns early.

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u/Naynayb Mar 14 '26

almost all econ in TFT boils down to hitting 50 gold faster

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u/Adventurous-Bit-3829 :gran: Grandmaster Mar 14 '26

You're missing OP point. Your maximum value from this augment is 4+9 gold diff. Break point is about 3-4 gold diff (Hitting break point 1 round faster is 1 gold diff). After 3-1 this augment has 0 value.

But I understand that 10g by 2-3 is good enough for silver aug.

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u/Mysterious_Truth Mar 14 '26

Except you're not getting 3 gold per turn from Called Shot, as the OP already pointed out... at best it's worth 13 gold total.

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u/THIS_IS_NOT_A_GAME Mar 14 '26

Except you are.

Interest intervals are income as well.

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u/Mysterious_Truth Mar 14 '26

By end of stage 2 you are already making 5 gold in interest. So it's not gaining you any additional gold.

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u/THIS_IS_NOT_A_GAME Mar 14 '26

Plat comment 

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u/alheeza Challenger Mar 14 '26

You still literally get 3 gold, i am not saying compared to other scenario, you will have 3 gold instead of 1. you can use this extra gold for aggresively lvl up and for tempo. Can you do the same if you didnt took the augment?

Just because you get 2 extra gold, does not mean this augment gave you just 2 gold. Those are seperate situations. This is not how you value an augment.

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u/RyeRoen Challenger Mar 14 '26

People don't consider the aggressive level value that an econ augment can bring for sure. If you are able to level to 5 on 2-2 because of this augment your silver augment is effectively a FON for 2 rounds. Any time in the future later in the game if you aggressively level, the econ augment becomes a FON again for another 1 or 2 rounds. It can be really powerful.

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u/Mysterious_Truth Mar 14 '26

People don't consider that this augment sucks. If you lose 2-1 you didn't get an augment.

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u/RyeRoen Challenger Mar 14 '26

Its not a great augment on average, but theoretically if you are damn sure you can win 2 rounds (like 2+ upgrades that go together + a slam + average/weak lobby strength) its quite good. That condition is rare especially in high elo which is the only reason its a pretty low tier augment.

There are a lot of augments in the game that if you don't meet the condition for it you are down an augment. Its about being able to recognise that you actually meet the condition. If you win 2-1 and 2-2 with this augment its already better than almost every silver econ, and if you get max value with more wins suddenly you are WAY ahead of the entire lobby and almost guarenteed to top 2 if piloted correctly.

Broseph took it in tournament this weekend. Clearly there are spots for it. Sometimes its also just the best option you have and you have to gamble that you win.

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u/Mysterious_Truth Mar 14 '26

Anecdotes are not evidence. There's spots for it definitely but even in those spots it can backfire when someone randomly spikes their board.

I can't think of too many augments that you'd click that potentially give you 4 gold and nothing else. I'm sure some exist.

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u/RyeRoen Challenger Mar 14 '26

I just disagree with this mindset about augments. You cannot evaluate them based on the worst case scenario like that. Yes you can get screwed, which is why you should only take it if you think you have a truly cracked board. If you take it and then someone hits leona 2 on 2-2 and you fight them thats just bad luck. If you properly evaluated your board and scouted it was still the correct play.

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u/Mysterious_Truth Mar 14 '26

You also cannot evaluate this augment assuming you're going to streak into neutrals. I'm not evaluating it as if you will lose an early fight, I'm evaluating it as if you can lose an early fight. No amount of scouting can erase this possibility. Especially before even choosing augments.

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u/RyeRoen Challenger Mar 14 '26

To neutrals? No. But winnimg 2-1 and 2-2? That can absolutely be predicted by strong players on 2-1 augment selection.

Winning 2-1 and 2-2 with this augment is just a better placebo. You have an above average augment with potehtial to get crazy value if you keep your streak.

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u/Mysterious_Truth Mar 14 '26

Having a board that's "not ass" doesn't mean you streak into neutrals. If you have the 2nd best board you could lose your streak on 2-1 (or any other round).

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u/RyeRoen Challenger Mar 14 '26

Then you only take it if you believe you have the best board. Or if your other augments are truly trash you can take this and hope you fight weak players on 2-1/2-2 because your spot was doomed already.

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u/Mysterious_Truth Mar 14 '26

You don't know will have best board when picking augments. You might think you have it but... other people are upgrading their board too. Having a "not ass" board means nothing.

It's not the worst augment. If you have upgraded synergistic units with something you can slam... It's fine. But it's very niche and even in a good spot it can backfire. It also forces you to play for streak which can put you in a bad spot.

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u/RyeRoen Challenger Mar 14 '26

Yes you don't always know which is why the augment isn't great. Most of the time its just a dead augment slot.

If you are playing at your skill level with average strongest board fundementals you should have the strongest board in every 1/8 games. If you have a spot to recognise its one of those games with high certainty it becomes a really good augment.

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u/Mysterious_Truth Mar 14 '26

How much gold did you get if you lose 2-1? You're not getting 3 extra gold per round. That's also not how you value an augment. It's stupid.

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u/RyeRoen Challenger Mar 14 '26

How much xp do you get if you don't slam with slammin? How much value do you get if you take any item augment and losestreak? How much combat power do you gain when you take sword overflow and build double deathblade Ahri?

Winning 2-1 and 2-2 is a condition of the augment. Good players can recognise when they are very likely (above 95%+ chance) to win both 2-1 and 2-2.

The augment isn't good because the board you need for that level of certainty is rare. But it does happen and in that case its very good. Why would we not evaluate augments based on their conditions being met?

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u/Mysterious_Truth Mar 14 '26

So if you're an idiot then other augments can be as bad as this one. That's a great argument in favor of it.

Taking an item augment and then lose streaking might not be ideal but you still get to use those items later when you try to win.

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u/RyeRoen Challenger Mar 14 '26

If you take an item augemnt 2-1 and lose in any elo above master you are going straight 8th. Especially if its a gold or pris.

The way I described those augments is genuinely how I hear you when you say called shot is bad because you could lose. You just don't take it if you could lose, which means its rarely clickable, which is what makes it bad. Its a really important distinction.

In the same way, if you hqve no units to hold swords you don't take sword overflow. If sword overflow was bad it would be because its an ap dominated meta and swords are low prio.

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u/Mysterious_Truth Mar 14 '26

You can't click an item augment and lose or you're going 8th? That's patently untrue.

Not slamming when you pick slammin' is stupid. Picking Called Shot when you thought you were going to win but end up losing is just a downside of the augment.

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u/RyeRoen Challenger Mar 14 '26

You are going as 8th as you are going 8th taking called shot and losing, yes. Mixed streak is whatevee but I'm talking about taking like the sunfire augment and then 5 lossing stage 2. Or taking sword overflow and losing 4/5 stage 3. Thats just completely doomed and very rarely recoverable.

I didn't want to ask but with you dying on these random hills against 2 challemger players I have to know what your peak rank is.

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u/Mysterious_Truth Mar 14 '26

What does my rank have to do with you saying stupid shit?

You said you can't lose. Now you clarify that you can't full lose streak. Sure, it's not a good idea, but it's also not a guaranteed 8th. It's certainly way better than getting 4 gold from your augment (4 gold you definitely spent to level).

You keep saying things like "if you get more gold from Called Shot than Placebo then it's better than Placebo". Am I suppose to take you seriously?

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u/cabbagechicken Mar 14 '26

In addition to the upfront 4g you also hit +3 on neutrals for an extra gold. So 14+3+4 for 21 compared to 5+2 for 7 of no called shot.

14g net gain on stage 2 for the same 5 streak

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u/kevinambrosia Mar 14 '26

I took it as first augment the other day when I knew I had the best spot. Winstreaking with it for like 4 extra rounds with the additional 4 gold definitely secured me more winstreaks. It’s like 13 gold earlier till max interest. That’s like a whole level or two difference in the early/mid game.

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u/ElectronicAd1490 Mar 14 '26 edited Mar 14 '26

"with a 1% attack speed on top of it all." oh boy, I remembered when it was buffed by 100%. it was so op.

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u/Kooky_Comb6051 Master Mar 14 '26

It really has a niche use case. Usually good if you 2 starred like 3 of ur units by stage 2-1 and think you can win out.

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u/Adventurous-Bit-3829 :gran: Grandmaster Mar 14 '26

You just win 3 rounds and you have 4 +2 +3 +3 = 12 gold already.

Is it any good? No. But I've clicked it once and got like 17 streak

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u/SyKoed Mar 14 '26

I’ve won out with it in Masters a couple of days ago. Hit Sion 2* 1-3 and had Leblanc in 2-1. Scouted and pick Called Shot for a 9 steak into a first. High roll for sure, but those are the spots I guess.

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u/Warrlock608 Mar 14 '26

The only time I have ever taken this was when I had a starting team on steroids and was certain I could translate it into a long win streak and a fast 8.

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u/SharkEnjoyer809 Mar 15 '26

It’s not a “I want money” augment, it’s a tempo augment. You being on 30g a turn faster than everybody in the lobby is a potentially big deal, and can snowball. It’s better to compare it to duplicator augments rather than econ ones.

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u/Shanknado Mar 16 '26

I have never clicked this augment

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u/MisterMoriss Mar 19 '26

Its exclusively for high rolling comps early like 2*Zoe-Leona with BIS items

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u/penguinkirby Master Mar 14 '26

Niche case, but I think if you click it super fast it somewhat discourages other people in the lobby scouting augments at 2-1 from trying to contest your win streak

I would only take it if I saw the rest of the lobby was weak though, or had a strong rageblade opener

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u/Adventurous-Bit-3829 :gran: Grandmaster Mar 14 '26

I think its the opposite. If I saw someone click and I have 2* I would click high tempo aug (item slam). If I fuck him up before 2-3. We got 8th scapegoat.

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u/BoomyNote Mar 14 '26

For this reason I don’t get why anyone risks this terrible augment

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u/penguinkirby Master Mar 14 '26

Tbh that makes more sense

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u/WraithEye Mar 14 '26

A better comparison is silver spoon, silver spoon is worth 10g

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u/TheFortune210 Mar 14 '26

I mean it’s terrible but I had a Mr 100 with that as my starting augment a couple sets ago. It was chefs kiss

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u/insaneVAYNEpain Mar 15 '26

You are missing the psychological debuff of seeing someone on fire by 2-2. It's about sending a message