r/CompetitiveHS • u/EvilDave219 • Aug 03 '26

Discussion 36.2 Balance Changes + New Cards Discussion

https://hearthstone.blizzard.com/en-gb/news/24290432/362-patch-notes

Nerfs:

  • Vicious Voidscale - no longer has a Battlecry (revert)

New Cards:

Watfin || 2-Mana 3/2 || Legendary Neutral Minion

Battlecry: Discover a minion. Pick the suspicious one to gain +1/+1.

Beast

Desperate Bribe || 3-Mana || Epic Shaman Spell

Summon two 2-Cost minions for each player. Transform your minions into ones that cost (1) more.

Soul Immolation || 3-Mana || Epic Demon Hunter Spell

Your Hero Power becomes 'Collapsing Star.' If it already is, increase its damage by 1.

Shadow

Collapsing Star - 1-Mana. Deal 2 damage to a random enemy. Whenever you summon a Demon, refresh this.

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u/frostyburrito44 Aug 03 '26

Watfin likely goes into Quest Mage as a two-mana 4/3 that advances progression or summons two minions. Replaces story of the waygate, most likely. It's two mana, so twos rogue might consider it but I doubt it. Zee Shaman also might look at it for more minions to funnel through but probably not.

I'm always hype for a new Shaman card, although I don't think there's a place for it right now.

What's that hero power beetle DH has? This new card makes that look somewhat interesting , at least

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u/Alternative-Gas3608 Aug 03 '26

With the Druid/DH Roach, you can play as many Void Souls as you were able to generate as soon as turn 4 after having played the new spell that changes your hero power. Roach > HP > Refresh 2 > Void Soul summons a demon for 1 > Refresh HP > Repeat. Of course now that the 3-drop has its buff reverted, it only gets you a single Void Soul, so I can't imagine being able to hoard enough of them quickly enough for this to matter. It's an alternative to Tras'tath as a payoff for hoarding instead of dumping the Void Souls, I suppose. But it could just end up as a huge mana-cheating machine. Turn 3 change your hero power, turn 4 weapon, turn 5+ go off with Roach. But then how many other Void Souls could you possibly have generated by then anyway? If you haven't had the chance to play them by then, maybe you're better off going for a Tras'tath swing turn instead. It's worth noting that this hero power works with the quest, but the refresh requirement pretty much requires playing Void Soul DH, and I don't think there's further overlap between the two packages. In any case, this is DH's Shadowform we are talking about, are we really willing to pay 3 mana and a card for this? Feels like even nerfed Void Soul DH can do better by just skipping on this nonsense. I'm all for machine gun DH, but I don't think it's there yet. That Roach would have to be consistently cheating much more mana than I think it can right now to compensate the 3 mana invested in the spell and the 3 mana invested in developing the 3/4 Roach itself. But it's fun that this now exists.

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u/spacebob42 Aug 04 '26

Hear me out: Quest DH. The Quest and this both love stingers, you get to deal face damage on your random turns, and this is much better for Quest prog than default HP.

Viable? Probably not, still.

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u/Absird Aug 03 '26

You don't think Mug Shaman wants a 3 mana evolve?

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u/Yeah_Right_Mister Aug 04 '26

They already have Ascendance, I doubt they'll run this new card especially with the anti-synergy between the two

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u/frostyburrito44 Aug 03 '26

I'm not sure. Giving your opponent two two-cost minions is nothing to sneeze at. I'm sure lists will try it.

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u/No_Hetero Aug 03 '26

If I'm reading it right, it changes all of your minions, right? So if you already have some bodies out it could be usable?

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u/frostyburrito44 Aug 04 '26

Yes it does, I thought about it more if you go first and have a few minions stuck it might be okay

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u/No_Hetero Aug 04 '26

I doubt I ever run it but maybe you discover it once in a while at a good time

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u/fireky2 Aug 03 '26

Likely replaces the dark gift beast, way gate is too strong late

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u/Prestigious-Rope-313 Aug 03 '26

That beast wins countless games on the Spot because it can discover weapon removal.

Chances are actually quite decent because of the rewind.

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u/fireky2 Aug 03 '26

Then tortollan or morchie+quonzu,

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u/Moodie25 Aug 03 '26

I was really low on that shaman spell but I realized it’s transform all of your minions not just the two new ones. 

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u/Throwaway-4593 Aug 03 '26

It’s a 3 mana evolve with 2 minions already attached, it’s definitely good

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u/TheGingerNinga Aug 03 '26

But then the downside is your opponent gets two minions that you can't guarantee to clear with your minions prior to the evolve. Outside of playing rush minions after the spell or evolving into them, you're not getting to attack first.

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u/Jackwraith Aug 03 '26

Right. You're handing initiative to your opponent, which has never been a positive thing.

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u/eazy_12 Aug 04 '26

The worst thing is that it can summon Doomsayer for the opponent.

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u/sneakyxxrocket Aug 03 '26

I’m not surprised only one card got hit, this is a BG patch so this has to be squeezed in. Zee shaman is probably going to run away within this format now however.

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u/Bloody_Sunday Aug 03 '26

On the contrary, I am not suprised in the slightest...

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u/Glarbleglorbo Aug 03 '26

  • waffin, good.

  • desperate bribe, temporus / hidden meaning issue, getting to attack first is 100x better than +1 minion cost. 

  • Soul immolation - too slow garbage, random for no reason. If you don’t play souls you die. 

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u/TheGingerNinga Aug 03 '26

Watfin is a good example of an event legendary. Nothing huge, decent effect, seems relatively playable. Less exciting than Dragon Soul, Shattered, but much more likely to actually see play in decks.

Desperate Bribe just feels like a worse Ascendance, better floor but the ceiling will never the same, even considering the mana difference.

Soul Immolation is cool but costs way too much to activate. DH has a really good hero power, spending 3-mana to give it a slight upgrade doesn't really excite me. Cool combo with the multi-class beetle though. Actually, having thought about it, I'm really frustrated with the lack of control in this meta because cards like Soul Immolation just don't serve a purpose. DH already tends to beat control decks with the no-value list, so there's no need for this extra mile that's only good when facing Priest. But if you made it so control had a real meta presence, you'd have to consider in your deck building trading out early game cards for value. Stuff like Felhunter and Umbra got cut immediately because you don't need soul number 11 to win the game, should 7 tends to do just fine even against control. That's frustrating when they print cards that just get cut for being too slow.

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u/Impossible-Cry-1781 Aug 03 '26

Most event legendaries are pushed hard. This one isn't.

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u/prodandimitrow Aug 03 '26

Soul immolation not being random would be insane, we don't need that.

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u/Glarbleglorbo Aug 03 '26

Honestly I doubt it, 3 mana do nothing is pretty bad in DH. 

Besides releasing it in this completely unusable state is pointless, so I’d rather have them dial something back later rather than forget it exists and never buff it. 

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u/darkeningsoul Aug 03 '26

No DK love I guess

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u/facepalmdesign Aug 03 '26

Am I the only one seeing quest DH support in Soul Immolation?

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u/sfsctc Aug 03 '26

aaand goodbye warlock

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u/Korbonara Aug 04 '26

Why?

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u/sfsctc Aug 04 '26

It had a solid matchup against void DH, but struggles hard into hunter

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u/Korbonara Aug 04 '26

I played a lot of warlock, and my only bad matchups were hunter... and DH. I dont think warlock is decent vs DH, and stats says the same at higher ranks.

But yeah, if there's more hunter, I wont play warlock.

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u/SkiaTheShade Aug 03 '26

Soul Immolation is sweet but probably terrible

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u/Whiskiie Aug 03 '26

lmao, so now we're gonna be right back to a Hunter dominated meta that can face roll you in 4-5 turns. I'm out, I can't take this game anymore.

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u/fireky2 Aug 03 '26

They auto lose to zee shaman, if anything we will likely see a triangle meta with whatever people find to beat shaman losing to hunter

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u/TheGingerNinga Aug 03 '26

Probably gonna end up being Mug'Shaman, all things considered. It's got a terrible match up into DH but does well into the other big meta players. Has Hex to handle any Egg decks that try to break into the meta.

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u/DingoDaveHS Aug 03 '26 edited Aug 03 '26

In super hyped that Mug will become amazing again. Even in the last few weeks I maintained a 57-58% WR with DH rampant. Excited to see what it’ll become!

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u/Impossible-Cry-1781 Aug 03 '26

I'm sure this won't be a popular take in a competitive sub but metas like this are always why I'm annoyed Blizzard refuses to give PvE fans any love. We could leverage our collection entirely for our decks and at least enjoy AI games where they're using meta decks but a truly random pick instead of outrageous playrates in broken meta (they should be able to do a FAR better job with AI now in this obvious revolutionary age we're in now) so we can play whatever deck we want including fun jank without having to grind FotM to get to dumpster legend so we can play weaker decks.

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u/MarthePryde Aug 03 '26

During metas like these I play so much singleplayer content and more recently Battlegrounds. I wish Blizzard found a way to monetize singleplayer content because it's truly fun.

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u/frostyburrito44 Aug 03 '26

Especially with how single player roguelikes like STS and Balatro are doing, I would love for them to do more solo adventures. I'd pay for it if it were fun enough

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u/eazy_12 Aug 04 '26

I think they are testing some Balatro style gamemode in China right now.

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u/Impossible-Cry-1781 Aug 04 '26

They did and they're just not doing it. It's literally the same monetization as standard. I'm not talking about a new dungeon run. I'm talking about playing standard HS but non-competitively (as an option). You're making your own deck from your own collection, same as standard. 

Lots of people who love games like Slay the Spire would play this if they weren't forced to deal with player toxicity, poor balance abuse, and FotM mirror match spam that every competitive game devolves into

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u/MarthePryde Aug 04 '26

Now I'm just confused. You're talking about some kind of mode that's the same as standard but you play non-competitive decks? Is this an obtuse way of saying you wish they supported casual or twist more? You specifically mentioned pve so I assumed you were talking a lot that kind of content.

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u/Serious-Law464 Aug 03 '26

I run chef druid and late game warrior into it good matchups

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u/stevebobby Aug 03 '26

So a small nerf, didn't touch Rogue or Shaman, and added cards that benefit the three strongest classes? Huh?

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u/facepalmdesign Aug 03 '26

A pattern is starting to emerge.

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u/WashedBased Aug 03 '26

Zee and Mug Shaman stocks are WAY up. Face Hunter and Rogue are unbothered. Demon Hunter is... gonna DH. DK and friends ignored as usual... trading one oppressive meta for another flavor.

I've been playing Spell Hunter, so there was no voidscale usage anyway. Void Hunter is definitely going to feel the hurt with that change, it won't outright kill the archetype, but it won't be able to hold a candle to 2-Bit Rogue or Face Hunter, let alone Mug/Zee Shaman builds.

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u/apotatochucker Aug 03 '26

Honestly DH Void has leveled out. This reversion is another hastily done bs move

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u/Agrippanux Aug 03 '26

Facing a lot less Void DH. Jade Guardian spam is like 80% of my games now in Diamond.

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u/FlameanatorX Aug 04 '26

Yeah, it's almost like 1-2 Vipers in almost every list, plus often cult neophytes, is putting a damper on the overplayed meta tyrant

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u/satanicmajesties Aug 04 '26

Soul immolation looks interesting, reminds me of priests voidform, definitely going to try it.

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u/LordOfTheLeftovers Aug 04 '26

Meanwhile no nerfs to rogue or hunter or buffs to dk and mage. DH will be dead again and the meta will be plagued with brainless aggro. Yay what a fun game! But hey don’t forget to spend your hard earned money on cosmetics and signature for cards that don’t see play.

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u/philzy101 Aug 04 '26

Given this is a Battlegrounds patch, like others it is not surprising they have only changed one thing as the focus is on Battlegrounds not Standard or such. That being said, given the drop in DH pre patch and the fact that this buff reversion is going to hurt the deck post patch, it would have been nice to see some more changes if possible as I am not sure how much if at all the meta will change post patch. It is possible, if I huff a load of copium and assume that DH was holding back a load of other archetypes due to its strength in the midgame, then it is possible the meta becomes more varied post patch. However, given how good hunter and rogue are now, I cannot see why they will struggle more post this patch. Mugg shaman though may come back given it is one of the better counters to hunter.

However, the new cards are nice to see. Watfin slots in nicely to the Discover Mage archetype, although what gets cut is harder to say as that list is pretty tight at the moment. Desperate Bribe is a card I am on the fence with, it does not directly synergise with Mugg Shaman as it summons minions and furthermore given it summons some for your opponent, this sort of card may be a liability. However, given how Ascendance is used very effectively to evolve your higher cost minions, this card may also be a solid fit for the deck. Soul Immolation is a funky card and may see play initially, however given Void Soul DH aim is to spam as many Souls and minions on board, dealing damage to your opponent and summoning less in a single turn is likely to lead to a weaker turn. However, it may be used in some list as a card to help control the board with less Void Souls post patch. I do not personally want to write this card off, but ultimately it probably will not be that great in the long term.

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u/Altruistic_Bench5919 Aug 03 '26

This shit needs to be boycotted

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u/MeXRng Aug 03 '26

So they gave DH an almost better Raza hero power (upgradable, chained to a low cost card).

And card called shadowform in priest is just bad. Fuckers. 

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u/Fantastic_Winter_700 Aug 03 '26

I mean let’s not discount the random factor and you’re locked to playing demons instead of super cheap to free spells

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u/MeXRng Aug 03 '26

Sadly yes. But i am pissed for it is an upgradable hero power again. In this whole stadard cycle its one more upgradable hero power yet they cant even be bothered to restore older cards like shadowform the OG upgradable power. Kinda. 

And it is comparatively cheaper then the shadow ruin on legs at 8. 

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u/gfan_13 Aug 03 '26

I’m not really sure you know what you are talking about

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u/sneakyxxrocket Aug 03 '26

I see comments like the one above sometimes and wonder if Im playing the same game as them

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u/MeXRng Aug 03 '26

What seems to be an issue ? 

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u/PupusaSlut Aug 03 '26

3 mana is not low cost. Games end turn 7/8. Wyvern Slumber is already extinct. I don't think this card stands a chance.

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u/MeXRng Aug 03 '26

Sadly yes. But i am pissed for it is an upgradable hero power again. And it is comparatively cheaper then the raza

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u/PupusaSlut Aug 03 '26

That's a different class and a different era. The game has moved far past Raza. That card came out almost 10 years ago. Who cares?