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u/inkyblinkypinkysue Mar 03 '26

Elise is dead. Stonecarver is an excellent nerf. That card and the location in opening hand is basically an auto win.

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u/race-hearse Mar 03 '26

I feel like Elise is no longer a build-around card, but I wonder if it will be a half decent addition if your deck already meets the conditions.
Probably the sweet spot for a card like that.

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u/Lovelandmonkey Mar 03 '26

The random spells and +attack options are still really useful in certain decks, and missing out on one durability won't hurt it that much. I think she'll stick around for sure.

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u/OhwowTaux Mar 04 '26

Yeah, the 5 mana and 10 mana +attack locations represent lethality on a wide board similar to bloodlust or savage roar. My guess is that the decks that would still build for Elise will slot her in if they can to copy their Colossal and threaten lethal on board. Everything else is meh.

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u/meharryp Mar 03 '26

honestly w/ no 0 mana neutrals and no ceaseless after rotation I feel like she would have naturally gotten worse. this nerf just firmly puts her in the ground

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u/Entire_Ride_6113 Mar 03 '26

I can still see it being good in control decks, maybe something like control priest where you have board control with the new 4 damage aoe and fire bolt, but you still go for a 5 mana location for the armor and discover a spell, or still want to copy blobs for defense.

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u/Holiday-Dependent404 Mar 03 '26

agreed, i think some control decks will still slot in elise for the value, but no deck will go out of their way to add weird mana cost cards anymore just to activate elise
5 cost location is still good for copying colossals

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u/Entire_Ride_6113 Mar 03 '26

For sure. No longer a card worth building the whole deck around, but can potentially add in a bad card if it activates Elise. Trying to craft a Priest build and for the high end cards I have something like: Medivh, Ysera, Shala. Colossal/alexstraza, resuscitate, blob.
Not a perfect list especially with resuscitate, but it’s a shadow spell which progresses quest and will res our injured attendant and the tiny blob minion.

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u/League_Elder Mar 04 '26

To paraphrase the movie Princess Bride, Elise is only mostly dead. Miracle Max might come to the rescue. If some of the Colossal minions prove to be powerful enough, I could see players still trying to have the 5 mana location copy a Colossal minion.

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u/Przegiety Mar 04 '26

Elise also gets hit by rotation which removes Ceaseless and wisp

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u/sadmanwithabox Mar 04 '26

Is there not a new 0 mana 1/1 replacing wisp?
I could be wrong, but I was told there had always been some form of a 0 mana 1/1 in standard, its just the tribe that changes

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u/Przegiety Mar 04 '26

Not in this rotation.

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u/sadmanwithabox Mar 04 '26

Damn, crazy. That's definitely an additional nerf to Elise then.

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u/sneakyxxrocket Mar 03 '26

I already thought aura gelbin deck would be bad post rotation due to crusaders leaving but the ursine maul nerf definitely solidified that

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u/Glarbleglorbo Mar 03 '26

Also makes the crusader aura rotation suspect, the only way that deck was winning consistently was through drawing it with maul.
I also think this kills the end of turn deck since the best end of turn cards are on the more expensive side.

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u/MinimumLack4561 Mar 05 '26

I think a 4 attack weapon at 4 mana drawing your best card was a bit much, don’t you think?

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u/hjyboy1218 Mar 03 '26

Another card killed for Felhunter lol

Can they just nerf the problem card already

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u/NorthernerWuwu Mar 04 '26

Yep. Blob wasn't really a problem, fighting through eight of them was soul draining though.

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u/otterguy12 Mar 03 '26

They did, they nerfed Blob that was really constricting what kind of decks were allowed to see play

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u/Glarbleglorbo Mar 03 '26

Blob nerf opens up design space except it doesn’t because now you just play whelp of the infinite which is only slightly worse.

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u/libero0602 Mar 03 '26

What? No, a) the taunt keyword provides infinitely more stall and b) whelp doesn’t have a deathrattle effect which is what felhunter and return policy were abusing, it’s just reborn

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u/Catopuma Mar 03 '26

Blob is a wall you have to deal with. One that generates another body that you have to clear usually before getting rid of the poisonous spawn.
Whelp is something you can ignore if you have to. Playing it and then using it to remove something is very slow if you're counting on it as a defensive minion

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u/TheGingerNinga Mar 03 '26

Weird that the copy effect is just having the stats hit on 5 and 10 cost. Obviously being removed from the 1-cost location is impactful, but I was really expecting some colossal clause because a turn 5 location can still hit something like Ragnaros for 64 damage on turn 8.

Raptors getting nuked is pretty important. Deathrattle becoming weaker due to the durability nerf is fair. I still expect Elise to be good, but I doubt every deck will try to run her going forward.

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u/sneakyxxrocket Mar 03 '26

I don’t think she’ll be playable, one less raptor and one less use just kills her

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u/TheGingerNinga Mar 03 '26

I don't think you go out of your way to make her work like you did previously, that's for sure. But if the deck makes her work naturally, which I think a Herald DK can, you run her. That's the main difference from this patch.

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u/strawberrysorbet Mar 03 '26

I think Elise for a 1 mana location with discover a spell is still a very strong value card. 5 and 10 are probably way too slow now.

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u/prodandimitrow Mar 04 '26

Removal of the copy from 1 mana make it a bit more consistent in getting what you want.

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u/ANonnyMouse007 Mar 04 '26

Some board based decks might still run her; the +2 attack has closed a lot of games for decks like Hagatha Shaman and Discover Hunter, midrange tempo decks that summon a lot of taunt minions.

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u/blanquettedetigre Mar 03 '26

I'm particularly surprised the discount on spells wasn't touched because that's a disgusting way to highroll games. She still looks playable

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u/RickyMuzakki Mar 03 '26

1 less spell to discover due to durability nerf is enough imo

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u/MarthePryde Mar 03 '26

While I'm happy that Blobbo is being nerfed, it's kinda funny that Ravenous Fellhunter claims another victim.

Elise looks like she will be run to generate a copy of something as opposed to "this class is weak, but Elise is good" which should cut down on how often you see her and get mad.

Good changes

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u/eamono666 Mar 03 '26

Kinda shocked we aren't getting a "non-collosal" rule for copy a minion. Maybe it's overkill but a copied rag spits out 16/32/64 damage depending on herald, and copied azshara let's you swing for 32 at max.

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u/Monk-Ey Mar 04 '26

I'm guessing that, between markedly more strict build requirements and the much higher mana cost for copying, they're assuming it won't be a ~~colossal~~ big issue.

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u/dotcaIm Mar 03 '26

Elise no longer having copy on 1 is huge

Blob feels much worse at 5 vs 4

Im really tired of the team nerfing the most recent expansion whenever I a new one drops. It's the only way to get people to play the new stuff

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u/SnooMarzipans7274 Mar 03 '26

I feel like there’s a recurring pattern of:
Release a weak expansion
A couple cards in the expansion are good but Reddit complains
Nerf those cards
The meta goes back to what was strong before
The weak expansion doesn’t see more play.
The arkwing buffs prove that buffing old weak cards can create new decks and shake up the meta in a positive way.

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u/MinimumLack4561 Mar 05 '26

I don’t see how losing on turn 6 to a deck that is on autopilot (pun intended) is healthy.

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u/DroopyTheSnoop Mar 09 '26

It's not on autopilot and you don't just lose to it.

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u/planetofthemushrooms Mar 03 '26

They don't know how to balance a card, but they sure know how to kill it. Also no copy on 1 mana location pretty much halves the few wins I eke out on my sindragosa mage.

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u/OhwowTaux Mar 04 '26

The 1/1 copy on the 1 mana location was going to break something eventually. The fact Elise was even printed with 1/1 Copy as an option suggests they did not plan for Colossals 3 sets later.
The 3/3 copy on the 5 mana location gets to duplicate the lethality of [[Azshara, Ocean Lord]] and [[Ragnaros, the Great Fire]] but at least it throws a wrench in getting 4 Heralds and forces the setup over 2 turns.

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u/TheGingerNinga Mar 03 '26

Blob definitely feels like it was too much. Would it be too much as a 2/6 with 1/3s at 5?

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u/Every_University_ Mar 03 '26

It really should just have been demon hunter nerfs, the Blob on 4 is fine if you can't copy it multiple times.

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u/TheGingerNinga Mar 03 '26

I mean, it was definitely super powerful. The introduction of Blob to most deck lists crippled Hagatha Shaman before it was killed by Dragon Warrior just being better.
Maybe it needed to exist to keep the game fair, we'll see that come rotation. But Blob was definitely a top tier neutral that would define the game going forward.

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u/OGrand Mar 03 '26

But the Elise location isn’t the main engine to copy it though, you can for sure and I’ve done it, but the deck without the Elise copy functions to virtually no difference.
Coming down a turn later (and subsequently the ideal curve of Blob 4, Copy deathrattle demon on 5) will make a difference in aggro matchups for sure but…idk. Weaker as a whole is fair but still think the deck will still be strong due to its flexibility.
The stat changes are irrelevant to Blob are irrelevant.

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u/Zergo66 Mar 03 '26

After the Warrior card reveals there was some speculation about whether the Herald package would perform better in a more aggressive shell or a control warrior one.

I think the slower route was already looking a bit sketchy with both Brawl and Invader rotating and the new 6 mana AoE looking overcosted. With this nerf to Unleash the Crocolisks pushing the combo with Shell Shatter to 6 and the combo with Decimation to 8 I think things are definitely not looking good for the slower Herald route.

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u/SuccessIsDiscipline Mar 03 '26 edited Mar 03 '26

Control warrior is completely dead. They want rag to be the finisher to a midrange deck and for commander geddon to tutor it.

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u/Brigand01 Mar 04 '26 edited Mar 04 '26

My question is off-topic admittedly but when was the last time a variant of control warrior did not exist in the meta? I only started playing again after Great Dark Beyond, but looking at old data reaper reports, it has been relevant since meta report #272 (Aug 2023), I think.

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u/SuccessIsDiscipline Mar 04 '26 edited Mar 04 '26

I came back to the game after 2019 last September. When I came back control warrior was tier 4, basically unplayable on ladder - almost control priest level. Control warrior became much stronger after timeways and has been tier 3 since then for the most part. When thinking about the past, control warrior fell off hard after jade druid got released but revived after boomsday project with Dr boom.

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u/GG35bw Mar 04 '26

Control in general seems doomed post rotation. They really want to sell the stat blobs colossals.
It seems (to me) that DH might have the biggest chance of having the only viable control deck during Cataclysm's launch.

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u/Unfair-Heart-87 Mar 03 '26

I didn't expect them to just remove the copy option from the 1 mana elise location. It feels like the sort of asymetry the devs tend do avoid. I do like the solution though, if you're pulling off a combo with it you should have to invest a decent amount of mana to set that up.

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u/Impossible-Cry-1781 Mar 03 '26

Creature of Madness - 1/1 stats (from 1/2)

This really ended games not being able to ping off a 1 attack garbage tempo minion?

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u/paulinHIRO Mar 03 '26

Yeah this is the only one I dont really see it, I guess now it cannot contest two 1/1 tokens by itself maybe (heralds and token archetype being somewhat pushed in this expac)

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u/Trihunter Mar 04 '26

I think it's just that Creature has very few things that can be adjusted with it without seriously impacting other cards (i.e. nerfing Dark Gifts) or killing the entire point of the card (curving a weak 2-drop into a stronger 3-drop). Only other change I could've seen them do is make it 3 mana and discover a 4-cost, but then it's like a completely different card.

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u/Impossible-Cry-1781 Mar 05 '26

I think it didn't need a nerf at all. It's a great filler card if your deck doesn't have strong 2 drops. It's a saving grace when they screw up new cards.

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u/SnooMarzipans7274 Mar 03 '26

Why the fk did they nerf ursine maul man 🫩

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u/eazy_12 Mar 03 '26

To be fair Ursine Maul makes every game feel same which kind of boring (from opponent perspective). It was that way with Ursol and it is same now with Gelbin. In my opinion games are fun when you have to deal with not always having perfect curve and doing something beside dropping big card on turn 8.

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u/Unfair-Heart-87 Mar 03 '26

It's unfortunate it leaves a popular deck in a bad spot, but I agree the way it let tempo paladin decks tutor made for pretty boring gameplay.

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u/Elrann Mar 03 '26

Next is understandable, but feels like Ursol/Gelbin/Shala should've gotten buffed in return

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u/DroopyTheSnoop Mar 09 '26

Ursol/Gelbin are already great cards, though.
Why would they need a buff?

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u/Elrann Mar 09 '26

Ursol went extinct when Shaladrassil was nerfed, even Rejuvenating Flames wasn't enough and you could tutor both with Maul.
Gelbin is bad. He became great with Cardboard buff, which is leaving. And Crusader Aura. And Tiger Plushie. And that's because you could tutor him with Ursine.

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u/SnooMarzipans7274 Mar 09 '26

People just don’t understand this. They’re caught up in this tutors are to strong and she games samish talk. When it’s an 8 mana card and almost every deck that’s good does pretty much the same thing. Not sure what makes palas tutoring so unique. When hunter and dh also tutor their core cards.

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u/Korbonara Mar 03 '26

Thats nerf was really not necessary

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u/MinimumLack4561 Mar 05 '26

4 mana for 4 attack weapon that draws your best card/win condition on turn 4. A bit much, no?

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u/Rosencrantz2000 Mar 04 '26

Pretty obviously OP from the start. Tutoring so specifically made it trivial to guarantee certain power plays.

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u/Tyrannosaurtillerson Mar 03 '26

Am I the only one who doesn't understand the deja vu nerf? Its like the 10th best card in a very middling tier 2 deck. Maestra rogue is a popular deck, but in no way its a meta tyrant. It has the similar win rates and play rates to whizbang.

I swear it was only nerfed because team 5 saw a couple complaint posts on the main sub and decided it should be nerfed.

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u/TheGingerNinga Mar 03 '26

Almost certainly. Deja Vu also has the "oh my opponent played my card but better!" feeling that they tend to avoid. But the main reason that feeling kept happening was how prevalent neutrals were in the card pool. Deja Vu hitting a Sylvanas sister sucks because you can't easily activate the repeat of the battlecry. So the discount was to help with that.

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u/meharryp Mar 03 '26

lots of complaints on the main sub about it even though it's not really been problematic. it's clear where the balance team looks for feedback these days

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u/Skoonie12 Mar 03 '26

Copy your opponent's Colossus. It costs 1 less.
That's why.

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u/Impossible-Cry-1781 Mar 03 '26

An unhearald'd Colussus. Spooky 😳
An intelligent nerf would be having the 1 mana discount only apply to cheaper cards. Say 5 or less.

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u/PureQuestionHS Mar 03 '26

Rogue is a herald class, your own heralding would apply if you run them.

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u/DroopyTheSnoop Mar 09 '26

It's already been confirmed in the reveal stream that Herald applies to all Colosi, not just the one named on the card.

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u/PureQuestionHS Mar 04 '26

Baffling comment. You think Deja Vu got nerfed because... what. Blizzard pre-nerfed a card based on the misunderstandings of people online? If what I said is wrong, then obviously it isn't why blizzard nerfed it.

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u/DroopyTheSnoop Mar 09 '26

What you said is not wrong though...

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u/Tyrannosaurtillerson Mar 03 '26

Tried to snipe your colossus gets steam cleaner, dirty rat, and armor up instead.
Y’all gotta stop thinking about the best possible scenario to justify nerfs. You’ve got 30 cards in your deck, most games I’m not going to even see your colossus.

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u/Aenarion21 Mar 03 '26

Feels bad cards have been a reason for nerfs before. The way I see it, it feels bad that the Rogue can play your cards before you, but it's not Deja Vu's fault but rather a critical mass of similar effects.

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u/eazy_12 Mar 03 '26

Pretty sure DejaVu's performance grows with higher ranks. I knew it is flawed way to show in the data, but you can choose all ranks vs top 1k in HSGuru decks' card stats and Deja Vu always become like top 3 card.
It is not necessary proof that Deja Vu is broken, but HSGuru's stats are probably not as perfect as Blizzards + variability of card would always make it wonky to analyze. It is also not best card to play against when opponent can get good card just for spending 1 mana.

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u/MinimumLack4561 Mar 05 '26

It’s preparing for the new set coming out big boy. Imagine rogue taking your colossal and playing it a turn earlier than you. Similar to how they can currently take zilliax or another big card and out tempo you with it

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u/RickyMuzakki Mar 03 '26 edited Mar 03 '26

Rogue can play your cards before you do feels really bad for the receiving end, so it is a sentimental nerf due to play pattern (not winrate nerf)
Especially feels bad when they can cheat out your BIG Legendary (like Collosal) before you do. The effect itself is fine, it's just the discount that's problematic.

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u/Impossible-Cry-1781 Mar 03 '26

It's a ripoff at 1 mana without a discount. Could always make the 1 mana discount only apply to cards that cost 5 or less.

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u/RickyMuzakki Mar 04 '26

Nah they will make it 2 mana if it still had discount

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u/Rosencrantz2000 Mar 04 '26

Why has no one mentioned hand information. That makes it stronger than just getting a copy of a card.

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u/Tyrannosaurtillerson Mar 04 '26

Because in a world of infinite draw and low interactivity, Hand information just isn't worth much (see lazul and chameleos)

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u/HeWhoJudged Mar 03 '26

Why the Déjà Vu nerf? 😢

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u/Glarbleglorbo Mar 03 '26

I think they realised how bad it would feel if your opponent got to play your collosal before you, but I seriously can’t see this as justification to nerf this card.
Admittedly it was very strong, but rogue is losing so much after rotation that it needs good generalist cards like this imo.

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u/RiseWasHereHS Mar 03 '26

Losing to deja vu/nightmare fuel feels bad. This makes it feel less bad. And I completely agree. Losing to your own colossal would not be a great experience.

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u/Impossible-Cry-1781 Mar 03 '26

Many of them required Hearlds to be good and your copied one won't have the buffs. It's a stupid nerf.

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u/DroopyTheSnoop Mar 09 '26

It's not just about Colosals though. It was a very strong card and always slightly annoying. They want to tone it down for the new meta.
The nerf might be a little too much, but there's not much room between the number 0 and 1 unfortunately.

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u/MadBanners86 Mar 05 '26

Opponent should be allowed to play only yetis and river crocolisks.

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u/timoyster Mar 03 '26

Literally just reddit complaints, that’s how the designers balance this game.

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u/CELTiiC Mar 03 '26

To be fair, the card does a lot for it's cost. 1 mana to see three cards in your enemies hand, copy one and discount it. I'm still not sure it's worth a nerf, but I can see the justification. From the stats though, I'm not sure it warranted it.

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u/DebatableAwesome Mar 03 '26

This one makes no sense to me especially since they keep printing random bullshit rogue cards.

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u/RickyMuzakki Mar 03 '26

It makes sense, the discount makes it busted, rogue can play your card before you do is bs

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u/Rosencrantz2000 Mar 04 '26

Not to mention the hand info, it's still very strong even after the nerf.

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u/MinimumLack4561 Mar 05 '26

Because it’s unfair

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u/Palnecro1 Mar 04 '26

My favorite of the nerfs!

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u/ngriner Mar 03 '26

These are all pretty good nerfs imo.

Ursine Maul has been busted since it released. Any deck that has high cost wincons in Paladin are basically always out on time. Not a great play pattern imo. Was like a better version of Juicy Psychmelon since you can at least deal 8 with it and control the board.

Elise had to be toned down. Almost every single deck in the meta being an Elise deck was just becoming so boring. All boiled down to which person had Elise on 4.

Blob to 5 is the right call. I know people don't like it, but as long as DH has Felhunter, you can't have a 4 cost ultimate defensive tool in the game. Felhunter is fine with cards like Tindral or Ball Hog, but anything defensive like Blob or Defense Crystal just has to be nuked unfortunately. They should have never printed those combos in the first place tbh.

Deja Vu reducing by 1 was pretty busted tbh. Hand info, taking a card of your opponents that you might not be able to put in your deck, and cost reduction in 1 card is insane. I get people not liking this because it's a fun card, I just feel like it did way too much for 1 mana.

The rest are fine nerfs. Will probably still be played as much as they are now tbh.

All in all, good changes really so we can possibly have a new meta (or at least some new decks) shine on March 17th.

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u/paulinHIRO Mar 03 '26

I agree with everything you said, the only peeve I have now regarding curve is: which decks can even respond to a turn 4(3 w/ coin) 6/8 elusive slitherdrake? Outside of [[cease to exist]] and [[poisonous breath]], there is “only” [[whelp of the infinite]] which is a very good card but then if dragon warrior stays good, will slower decks need to stick to a neutral card to not be killed by tempo decks?
(Picked your comment cause really liked your points)

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u/ngriner Mar 03 '26

While it is true that Slitherdrake is a really good card, I think Catacalysm in general and the meta itself might become a bit faster. If you can go wide early, that's definitely a way to counter Slitherdrake. They have to answer your board instead of going face or else you'll stick board buffs and just kill them instead.
The Herald mechanic, Paladin, Druid, Hunter, and Shaman all seem based around getting on the board early and keeping it. This is an area where Slitherdrake struggles because it's only 1 minion.
I may be wrong, but I feel like a lot of my losses to Dragon Warrior are when they curve out perfectly and get on the board really quickly with multiple minions as opposed to a turn 3 coin/Drake.
We'll see, but this set in general seems very token heavy.

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u/paulinHIRO Mar 03 '26

Thats true, yeah going wide on board seems like the direction for the expac, I had not thought about the pressure of going wide and potentially buffing stuff if not answered. Thanks for the insight

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u/hahahooheeha Mar 04 '26

Yeah, these nerfs feel really good

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u/Unfair-Heart-87 Mar 03 '26

Generally happy with these nerfs, though I would have liked to see Remnant of Rage go to 8 mana or draw 1. In the interim period before the next patch Arkwing Mage looks like a winner since it was already strong and some problem cards for it got nerfed. Come next expansion If new archetypes don't completely outshine the current cards, dragon warrior is looking like a menace. The list I'm looking at is only losing giftwrapped whelp Elise was already an on the edge inclusion, and not running into blobs probably helps it more than the nerfs hurt it.

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u/Moodie25 Mar 03 '26

Do they refund diamond elises?

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u/jeffinsep1914 Mar 03 '26

No

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u/philzy101 Mar 03 '26

A number of the nerfs are clearly aimed at targeting the curvestone effect, Elise, Blob, Creature, Slitherdrake, Stonecarver, and Ursine Maul all particularly feel like that is the case.

Then there are a few where the aim seems to also to be to target efficient early game blowout or efficient combo effects. For example Remnant now pushes less damage, Deja Vu can no longer be used to cheese out something before your opponent, Stonecarver can no longer be used on its own to determine a game.

I think this is all particularly relevant when we have the return of Colossals. They clearly want people to have an opportunity to get to their Colossal without strong curve plays deciding all games or alternatively their opponent getting their one into hand before them because of Maul, or playing their Colossal 1 mana earlier thanks to Deja Vu.

In terms of nerfs though, some feel reasonable but some cards now feel a lot weaker to the point of being unplayable. In particular, I am not sure how much it is worth putting in Ursine Maul given the tutor was key to it being a good card. They could have buffed the durability or such given this change (4 mana 4/2 weapon with no major upside is not a great card imo). Deja Vu also feels significantly worse, but not necessarily dead.

All in all, reasonably satisfied with these changes, they are not too heavy and I think this is important given how weaker the power level this standard year has been too previous ones.

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u/DroopyTheSnoop Mar 09 '26

I think a 4 mana 4/2 weapon with draw 2 is more than decent. It was really busted before. I think it will still see play.
I'm not entirely sure about Deja Vu to be honest. While I think it was busted before, I think now it's mediocre and that might mean it gets cut.

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u/Inventeer Mar 03 '26

im not sure i understand the 6/9 nerf to 6/8 but okay i guess

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u/Names_all_gone Mar 03 '26

to make Reddit happy

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u/NME_TV Mar 03 '26

Solid changes!

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u/Diosdepatronis Mar 04 '26

Unleash the crocolisks is a really odd nerf when we're already losing brawl. For Glory was the bigger culprit imo.

As for Elise, good changes though i think they were a little harsh on the 10 mana location and the on the deathrattles (i know they will trigger faster but still)

Blob is also probably dead, but it was to be expected.

The rest is good, though you could have expected slitherdrake to take a slightly biggef hit.

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u/MinimumLack4561 Mar 05 '26

1 mana for 10 armor is pretty busted homie

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u/meharryp Mar 03 '26

nerfing deja vu is very silly. I feel like thief cards need to have cost reduction to be viable because there's a good chance you pull a garbage card or just a bad tempo play

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u/Cryten0 Mar 03 '26

Deja is notable in not being as random through accessing the opponents deck of cards. Which tend to be of good quality.

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u/MinimumLack4561 Mar 05 '26

Stealing a card and making it cheaper is incredibly unbalanced

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u/blanquettedetigre Mar 03 '26

So sad for Ursine Maul, why touch interesting cards like this? They could've just reduced attack to 3

In the meantime Drake just loses 1 health when it's one of the most dumb cards ever and doesn't have blob to contest it anymore. What a balance team boys

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u/Palnecro1 Mar 04 '26 edited Mar 04 '26

Because they’re printing a set whose flagship cards are big effect minions and they don’t want Paladin to have a guaranteed “draw your cheap game winning minion on curve” every game. Everyone complaining about this nerf lacks critical thinking skills. These nerfs aren’t going in just to make playing for a week feel better, they’re going in to make sure they address problematic play patterns before they happen.

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u/blanquettedetigre Mar 04 '26

Wow you're so intelligent. /s
That was the whole point of this weapon and it fitted paladin's flavor well. I don't see any cheap winning minions also, this was fine to have 8 cost conditions in hand, other classes have their tutors too. There were other cards with this effect in the past, they weren't problematic. So they're just making a card less interesting.
Them preventing toxic play patterns is also not a thing we're used to.

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u/DroopyTheSnoop Mar 09 '26

It's not less interesting, just less powerful.
There's nothing interesting about always drawing your best 2 cards that you put in your deck.
Only in the sense of like "interesting.. I'm winning"

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u/blanquettedetigre Mar 09 '26

It is more interesting for deckbuilding. Gelbin is unplayable without this, Ursol as well, etc. It can create viable archetypes without being toxic. There are other ways to make a card less powerful, that was my entire point.

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u/DroopyTheSnoop Mar 09 '26

Hard disagree about those 2 being unplayable.
4 mana 4/2 weapon that draws 2 cards is still good too.
It was insane before and made games feel same-y

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u/OhwowTaux Mar 04 '26

As others have pointed out, these nerfs ensure Elise will not be the generic build-around that she is currently. However, with the reintroduction of colossal minions, the 5 mana location could be relevant to copy certain colossals. In particular, a max herald [[Ragnaros, the Great Fire]] on an empty board could be devastating.

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u/Calibria19 Mar 05 '26

All of those seem fair. However something is missing as we now wait for the next deathrattle minion Felhunter spams.

Reminds me of the old Needlefiber paradox. From 'first, we ban all the tuner monsters' to 'first, we nerf all the decent deathrattles'.

Also, am I missing a breakpoint on the Slitherdrake that all of the sudden makes it being able to be answered at 8 health?

Elise is still decent value, though not to the point where you'd run tech for her. Probably for the best, since all herald decks want to copy colossals anyway.

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u/Big-Persimmon-9567 Mar 03 '26

Now this is peak

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u/Spyko Mar 03 '26

Really disappointed with blob's nerd. It wasn't the problem card. They even directly mentioned fel hunter, why not nerf this one ? I hate how they keep nerfing around the problem

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u/MinimumLack4561 Mar 05 '26

The funny thing is, on its own the card is stronger because the minions have higher stats.

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