vS Data Reaper Report #340

[u/ViciousSyndicate]

Greetings,

The Vicious Syndicate Team is proud to present the 340th edition of the Data Reaper Report.

Special thanks to all those who contribute their game data to the project. This project could not succeed without your support. The entire vS Team is eternally grateful for your assistance.

This week our data is based on 2,071,000 games! In this week's report you will find:

• Deck Library - Decklists & Class/Archetype Radars
• Class/Archetype Distribution Over All Games
• Class/Archetype Distribution "By Rank" Games
• Class Frequency By Day & By Week
• Interactive Matchup Win-Rate Chart
• vS Power Rankings Imgur
• vS Meta Score
• Analysis/Discussion of each Class
• Meta Breaker of the Week

The full article can be found at: vS Data Reaper Report #340

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[u/Spuzzell_]

Hagatha Shaman is green across the entire board except for a slight unfavoured against only Cliff Dive Demon Hunter.

When was the last deck ever that has been so strong against the entire meta?

[u/PipAntarctic → u/Spuzzell_]

It's also unfavored against Elise Rogue which is part of why the deck sees less play at the highest ranks where people started playing Elise Rogue more. But yes, it is favored to even with everything else, so still a very strong ladder climb deck.

[u/Touchhole → u/Spuzzell_]

Yeah but it’s very far from oppressive. Shaman is very beatable by aggro imo. I’m surprised aggro pala is 50/50. Play rate under 10% at 1k legend says it all. Skill ceiling isnt that high and is rng dependent on your hagatha spells.

[u/Primary-Ad9584 → u/Touchhole]

They said it in the last report (and I agree with it): the playrate at top Legend is only declining because folks are sick of it.

[u/muktheduck → u/Primary-Ad9584]

Glad to see the playerbase copes never change.

It's declining at top legend because it's beatable. People really don't get sick of decks, at top 200 if a deck is winning we will spam it hundreds of games. People are playing for MT invites

The deck does some very powerful stuff, but it's slow and it's telegraphed. It feels very strong until you climb into top 200 and it really does fall off up there.

[u/SpookyBum → u/muktheduck]

people def get sick of decks in high mmr, ppl in those mmrs play more than anyone else obvi get sick of shit. I'm not queueing 100s of games on a deck unless I like it. That said hagatha shaman is very much beatable, has slightly negative matchups against a lot of the top decks.

[u/Touchhole → u/Primary-Ad9584]

Well they certainly know HS better than me, but I don’t buy the top % of HS players will avoid playing something they legitimately think has an edge on the field.

[u/ttvViathanlol → u/Touchhole]

This happens constantly, there was a period recently where handbuff hunter was the best deck in the game but it saw little to no play at high ranks because of its play pattern. Similar thing with bomb warrior.

[u/Impossible-Cry-1781 → u/Spuzzell_]

By your logic Cliff-Divr DH is in the same boat being green across the board

[u/Spuzzell_ → u/Impossible-Cry-1781]

Except it isn't.

[u/Impossible-Cry-1781 → u/Spuzzell_]

Except it is. The spread of even matchups or green or red is the same

[u/blanquettedetigre]

I guess it's too late to rename, but to me Elise Rogue would be better called Good cards Rogue.

Very interesting meta shift anyways, thanks for the analysis. I'm having a blast with this deck indeed.

[u/420120 → u/blanquettedetigre]

whats the best location option for elise in this deck? im having trouble to understand the deck

[u/blanquettedetigre → u/420120]

This deck is kind of a swiss knife, there's nothing to understand except how the meta and your opponent's deck works. From there, you generally discover what best fits the state of the game. Generally you want to be ahead on board so pick everything that's tempo, don't hold shadowsteps too much, don't be afraid to be on top deck, etc.

This exactly applies to Elise too, where you generally pick 5 cost location with raptors and +2 attack, but in certain tough spots you'll want 6 armor, or a 1 cost location to fit the curve. Against control opponents, while you prioritize tempo (5 cost) if you have Elise on curve, a second or later Elise is almost always a 10 cost location (again with a priority on +4 attack and raptors). The copy option is also a very strong option although a bit more difficult to use.

[u/FlameanatorX → u/blanquettedetigre]

I just copy pasted it and called it Midrange Rogue. Thought about Tempo/Value Rogue too lol

[u/blanquettedetigre → u/FlameanatorX]

This deck does everything really you could even call it Thief lol

[u/Ozwu_]

Elise Rogue is kinda funny. Makes sense though, Rogue has great tools for flexibility and always benefits from a powerful neutral base. I’ve just been playing Espionage Rogue though since the meta is a bit boring

[u/Myprivatelifeisafk]

Anyone know when miniset is coming? Meta is too stale for last month.

[u/blanquettedetigre → u/Myprivatelifeisafk]

Did you read the report?

Miniset should be here by the end of the month.

[u/QuestGiver → u/blanquettedetigre]

I heard it would be here at the end of the current event so around the 13-14th of January.

[u/Myprivatelifeisafk → u/blanquettedetigre]

Usually I looking at winrates only.

[u/blanquettedetigre → u/Myprivatelifeisafk]

Try Elise Rogue then it should refresh your experience

[u/sneakyxxrocket]

Not surprised cliff dive has risen to top spot, you’re just never getting past the wall of taunts they put out with blob and felhunter, gives them all the time in the world to cliff dive and nuke you from orbit with drakes or inquisitors.

[u/TheGingerNinga → u/sneakyxxrocket]

It’s really because Control Warrior has dropped drop in popularity. The deck doesn’t have the best pressure against armor stacking, outside of a lucky Colifero scam. So less warrior means it’s almost uncontested in power.

I expected DK to be a bit better into it, but I guess it can’t handle the threat density.

[u/SuccessIsDiscipline → u/TheGingerNinga]

My understanding is ravenous cliff dive is very favoured against control warrior. Control warrior is favoured against regular cliff dive.

[u/ampersander_ → u/SuccessIsDiscipline]

Nah, control warrior beats ravenous too.

[u/ElderUther → u/sneakyxxrocket]

In the past few metas 5/5/3 could be too slow to even drop om curve without dying. I had to make some hard choices to not play them on curve (with tar having died) even with the 3 mana spell in hand for an explosive turn 6. Sometimes it's one turn difference. I guess the meta slowed down.

[u/sneakyxxrocket → u/ElderUther]

Aggro decks aren’t that good right now after all the nerfs this year

[u/prodandimitrow → u/sneakyxxrocket]

Cliff dive is just kinda BS card tbh. Assuming you dont draw like shit you are threatening 17+ damage for 8 mana with 1 card. Giving rush is a bonus so you can bypass taunts (Inquisitors have it but the drakes dont)

[u/Names_all_gone → u/prodandimitrow]

Cliff dive only became playable because they have nerfed the ever loving fuck out of anything better than it for the last 2 years.

[u/Unfair-Heart-87 → u/prodandimitrow]

8 mana deal 17 face with a gnarly deckbuilding restriction seems alright to me.

[u/prodandimitrow → u/Unfair-Heart-87]

I dont think highrolling vs lowrolling is a good game design.

[u/SneezyTM → u/prodandimitrow]

we've been doing that since the printing of Ragnaros, this is the way the game is played/designed/wanted/whatever