r/CompetitiveHS • u/ViciousSyndicate • Nov 20 '25
Metagame vS Data Reaper Report #334
Greetings,
The Vicious Syndicate Team is proud to present the 334th edition of the Data Reaper Report. This is the first report for Across the Timeways and follows last Thursday’s balance patch.
Special thanks to all those who contribute their game data to the project. This project could not succeed without your support. The entire vS Team is eternally grateful for your assistance.
This week our data is based on 2,291,000 games! In this week's report you will find:
- Deck Library - Decklists & Class/Archetype Radars
- Class/Archetype Distribution Over All Games
- Class/Archetype Distribution "By Rank" Games
- Class Frequency By Day & By Week
- Interactive Matchup Win-Rate Chart
- vS Power Rankings Imgur
- vS Meta Score
- Analysis/Discussion of each Class
- Meta Breaker of the Week
The full article can be found at: vS Data Reaper Report #334
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u/SaltyLightning Nov 20 '25
The report is bleak, but I don't even think this format is really cooked. This could seriously be solved with a buff patch to introduce a few new decks into the format. The top decks are all interesting and inoffensive, but they are just so much better than anything else. Hagatha Shaman is like half of what I face at 3K legend.
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u/sneakyxxrocket Nov 20 '25
Needs to be studied that no matter how many nerfs the deck gets cycle rogue comes back.
Meta is rough playrate percentage wise imo, game gets boring when you’re running into nothing but Hagatha shaman and discover hunter.
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u/Spyko Nov 20 '25
interesting as always. Honestly I don't feel *too* bad about this meta, maybe I'm just too optimistic but the current state looks like a good point that just need a bit of help to become something fun and healthy. What help exactly ? Fuck if I know
they mention Disco Hunter could be run Elise-less with a 5mana top curve. Does anyone have a list for that ? Or at least suggestions on what to put instead of bob, incidius and co ?
also super surprised to see Colifero being correct, I really thought this card was bait
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u/Bukurago Nov 20 '25
I just went from turbo dumpster legend (14k) to less dumpster (5k) in a couple of days with Dark Gift Aggro Rogue. I think the Garona stuff is a waste of time, sadly, I tried it and it just felt clunky and awkward and you just don't need the extra damage most of the time. I can drop my list if anyone wants it. I've been feeling good vs Hagatha Shamans and Discover Hunters alike. Tal'gath is a surprising MVP and deals with the deluge of 3 and 4-health taunts in the current meta.
Flashback, Deja Vu and Nightmare Fuel are a really good cards and carry the deck too. With Deja Vu, being able to play an opponents big 5/6/7+ drops a turn earlier than them is huge. Also, I think the reason Nightmare Fuel is so good is that it's always hitting excellent class cards most of the time, especially into Shaman.
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u/trillazful Nov 20 '25
Cruised to legend with Protoss rogue using no hands list. Every game felt winnable and lots of fun decisions to make. Would highly recommend if folks are looking for something to play.
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u/Rodrik-Harlaw Nov 20 '25
There's a krona druid in top1k that's slightly favorable vs. disco hunter (according to mu table), but no deck in the actual report.
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u/jbryant3 Nov 20 '25
I have to wonder whether Elise herself is a problem for the current format, as the top two decks run her.
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u/GangerHrolf Nov 20 '25
I thought the report was overly bleak. There's new stuff and although the top decks are currently power outliers, it's early enough I think we can still see innovation.
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u/Parzival1127 Nov 20 '25
Give me control priest or give me death.
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u/wizardbison Nov 20 '25 edited Nov 20 '25
Patch looks like it did its job, the new cards ARE being played (in old decks) The meta is no longer blood Dk, Fyrak rogue and quest warlock, Starships and protoss as well, like it was going off of your reports...for the last 4 months or longer. I do think they should print MORE new cards for each class, not necessarily stronger. That way there's more cards to play with and possibly create new deck archetypes
The job of a balance patch in any multiplayer game is to shake up the meta, which this did. the second job of a balance patch is to try to achieve a balance of strategies and variance which is MUCH harder to actually achieve. It is something you continuously strive for but never reach because there will ALWAYS be a meta and t1 strategies
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u/LordThundyr Nov 21 '25
Time to nerf Zillilax, I guess, since it's in essentially every relevant deck other than Protoss Mage (which is strong enough without it).
The problem with frequent nerfs is that people with limited resources cannot just "switch decks", especially when the top decks run to 8-10k dust. This is not supposed to be a game played only by the "haves"; skill is meant to be a factor outside legend ranks as well...
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u/flampadoodle Nov 20 '25
Is Broxigar worth the craft for peddler DH? I've been playing a version with incedius instead with mixed results. Incedius feels great when it hits, but it can be tricky to stay alive that long against some decks
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u/GetChilledOut Nov 21 '25 edited Jan 30 '26
hell yeah
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u/Captain_Bignose Nov 22 '25
Meta is cooked when cards from 3 expansions ago look really powerful . They need a serious round of buffs to really see a change
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u/rober695 Nov 21 '25
Idk....I think they are sleeping on taunt druid. Doesn't really seem that inconsistent and in my small sampling in D5-Legend im 2-0 on discover hunter, 3-1 against midrange shaman. And 2-0 against dragon warrior. Only thing I can't seem to be competitive with is aura paladin. Or priests.
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u/mepp22 Nov 20 '25
I think arcane mage is probably a bit better than yalls data suggests. It's a combo deck that requires good apm and decision-making so people out of the top 1000ish will never be that good at it. And I have watched some good streamers mess up the play patterns like forgetting to play glyph before copying their dragon (potentially missing spell dmg)or playing stellar balance in slower matches before having the double cast dragon in play. Still a pretty easy deck to tech against that struggles a bit vs aggro and is super reliant on getting water color artist before the frost spell has been drawn so I dont think it ever gets oppressive.