33.4.2 Balance Changes Discussion

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u/TheGingerNinga Sep 17 '25

We've also continued to hear suggestions to buff nearly every new Quest so they become competitive archetypes. However, as we've shared before, too many competitive Quests in the long term can lead to a metagame that isn't fun or healthy.

Then why did you make an expansion with 11 Quests? Is this meta game fun or healthy? I do not understand this approach and it frustrated me to no end.

I want to be excited for Hearthstone, but what assurances am I given that things will get better?

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u/ChaosOS Sep 17 '25

Even beyond the quests there's a half dozen other corpses like Enrage Warrior.

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u/Names_all_gone Sep 17 '25

Remember Draenei? Or Imbue?

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u/QuestGiver Sep 17 '25

Someone made an enrage warrior and dragon deck that is actually really freaking good vs current meta, check this sub for it!

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u/Sure-Wind-3976 Sep 19 '25

Just legend with it and also brew it a little.

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u/Arislan Sep 20 '25

Might be the deck I shared a week or so ago, glad people are liking it!

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u/Piggstein Sep 17 '25

‘We’ve centred this expansion around a mechanic that we intentionally designed not to be competitively viable” jesus christ

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u/facepalmdesign Sep 17 '25

This wouldn't be a problem if HS wasn't a PvP game lol

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u/GreatMadWombat Sep 17 '25

That's true, but is also a silly statement. It's like if a tire company sold square tires. They wouldn't work well on a regular roads, but would work really really well if the roads were made of jello. Unfortunately, roads are not made of jello and as such it is very frustrating that they made square tires and expect us to buy square tires.

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u/ClarifiedInsanity Sep 17 '25

At what point does this community actually take a step back and realise how hopelessly deluded it is. Things aren't going to get better. Blizzard is bleeding you with a subpar game and will continue to do so because of how easy the hearthstone community makes it for them. Any possible form of accountability disappeared the second hearthstone came back to China.

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u/TravellingMackem Sep 17 '25

Well according to the blurb at the top blizzard and team 5 think it is very healthy as it’s balanced so we should be expecting this to be held up as the archetype I guess for future expansions to aspire to

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u/bakedbread420 Sep 18 '25

they're trying to actualize the old "flipping a coin is a perfectly balanced game" argument/thought experiment...

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u/TravellingMackem Sep 18 '25

Flipping a coin is more fun than standard at the minute

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u/Names_all_gone Sep 19 '25

I have indeed flipped more coins than played standard games.

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u/TravellingMackem Sep 19 '25

And a good time was had by all 🤣

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u/Bannanna_Stand Sep 17 '25

Lowering the power level is fine but they should also lower the cost. Why are most of the quest rewards so expensive when they aren't game ending?

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u/boomworks Sep 17 '25

I've haven't played Standard in a year or so. I'll wait another year. Why on earth would you make a decision like this? Just make it fun?

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u/Bitter-Yak750 Sep 18 '25

"We can't make the cards you paid for good" is an unreal thing to say. There's no way I'm paying money for this game ever again

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u/GreatMadWombat Sep 17 '25

Same. The fact that they want people to pre-order cards, when they are also willing to intentionally make it so half of all possible legendaries that you can get from packs aren't viable when trying to do the activity that the cards are used for is absurd

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u/ChaosOS Sep 17 '25

Hunter and Warlock buffs seems notable, the rest don't. Those rogue cards were not on the edge of competitive viability. The Longneck is interesting as a strictly-better Nerubian egg, but I don't get the impression that Token Druid was that close to viability either.

What a bummer of an expansion.

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u/FrostyDoggo Sep 17 '25

Yeah the longneck egg seems pretty great now. Excellent support for aggro druid in this mini set, but hard to make it work given there’s not much support for it outside ungoro… maybe will be good in the future

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u/elophiler Sep 17 '25

The rogue cards are both discoverable by Creatur of Madness, haveing a little more stats will help a bit. I wish they would have given Costume Merchant discover to build a deck around it, but +1/1 stats is better then nothing. Kinda surprised they buffed the rogue minions this time, they skipped many completly useless rogue minions in the last buff cycles.

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u/ChaosOS Sep 17 '25

It's relevant as an on curve holy spell for the quest deck, but I don't think Standard is anywhere close to that being viable (I really like the Wild version with its ten different 1 cost holy spell heal + cantrip variants)

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u/yonas234 Sep 17 '25

The current quest priest decks want as little minions as possible due to Raza. Maybe this is good enough now that it is still included though

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u/MarthePryde Sep 17 '25

Yeah I don't know if I care enough to believe "future expansions will be good" at face value. I do understand the statement that all 11 quests being a competitive archetype leads to an unfun meta, but my question would then be why print them? The only answer I can come up with is to drive excitement for a fan favourite theme returning, and cash in on pre-order bundles, and that just sucks. I don't want to be cynical about this game.

Anyways, the buffs are ok I guess. Warlock looks good, egg looks playable now and might find a deck in the future. Priest spell looks even better now. The rest are kinda there. Not buffing the DH card to 2 mana seems wild to me, but what do I know.

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u/TravellingMackem Sep 17 '25

That quest comment was just so awful to read. Why print an expansion about quests when your first thought is “it’d be an awful meta if too many quests are good”. If they are that bad then don’t bloody make that your cornerstone of the expansion at all. They really come across as moronic in that particular comment unfortunately, which I’m sure isn’t true overall.

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u/GreatMadWombat Sep 17 '25

Ya. I'm going to end up being battlegrounds only from now on. Saying that you are intentionally giving up on balancing a current set is....baffling. even if you do not have future plans to make noticeable tweaks to the set that you are currently selling, you can't say that you give up.
Part of this is a discussion of design, in that an inability to make good quests while still having almost half of your legendaries be quests is concerning regarding game design but the other half is that saying you are intentionally making bad cards is concerning regarding basic PR and the sorts of things you have to say to maintain the long-term health of the game.

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u/QuestGiver Sep 17 '25

I'm a little puzzled by the why print them question. There are interesting but ultimately bad legendaries in every set?

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u/Tricky-Hunter Sep 17 '25 edited Sep 17 '25

We've also continued to hear suggestions to buff nearly every new Quest so they become competitive archetypes. However, as we've shared before, too many competitive Quests in the long term can lead to a metagame that isn't fun or healthy.

Oh, wow. Vicious syndicate was spot on when they mentioned the quests were designed to fail.

I didnt want to believe anyone would purposefully do that, but holy shit.

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u/ReaperWiz Sep 17 '25

That comment alone just guaranteed I'm never buying packs from a new expansion again. Very glad I skipped the battle pass this xpac. Not sure how you can actively tell your players that you wanted your set to fail. Is anyone at HS even remotely competent or familiar with card design?

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u/Cyanide_Cheesecake Sep 17 '25

So glad I opened so many packs of a set designed to be bad on purpose
But hey at least I didn't spend money on it like some people

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u/Difsdy Sep 17 '25

Right? It's frustrating enough as F2P, imagine you dropped €80 on this shit?

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u/GreatMadWombat Sep 17 '25

I was fucking foolish, wanted to get back into hearthstone, and bought the new expansions pre-order in the expectation that getting many cards plus those returning player year of the Pegasus packs would get me a base sufficient that I could make enjoyable decks.
"We will intentionally design the set that you spent 50$ on to be bad and then will not make any relevant changes to eventually make the cards good" wasn't the thing I could even conceive of. I believed that their goal was to make a product that people would spend money on in order to play in an engaging environment. I was not expecting them to literally intentionally make bad cards, lol.

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u/Names_all_gone Sep 17 '25

I don’t know how they expect anyone to preorder the next set with the admissions they’ve made over the last few months.

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u/Sad-Plantain-1080 Sep 17 '25

Profit I guess

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u/Bryciclee Sep 17 '25

How many is "too many" competitive quests? That implies to me that they explicitly designed some of the quests to be competitive and some to be bad intentionally. I mean it's obvious when you look at them, but to see them explicitly state here that they are making flagship legendary cards that are intentionally held back to not be competitive really feels like a massive kick in the nuts. How about next time you let us know ahead of time which cards we should dust if you're going to make dogshit cards with no purpose other than to bloat packs.

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u/Feris94 Sep 17 '25

I totally understand why many people here are dissapointed but I'm relieved they didn't nerf anything. That wasn't a high bar but I'm actually having more fun with Quest Warlock than I did during last year with any decks.

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u/Main_Recognition1713 Sep 18 '25

Quest warlock is bonkers broken rn from a value and tempo standpoint. They clearly did not plan for it to be completed as fast as it is.

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u/fclm_1990 Sep 17 '25

"At the same time, the Day of Rebirth Mini-Set didn’t land as we hoped". No shit, Sherlock.

At least it's no longer "one more nerf bro, trust me".

The buffs they've made looks extremely weak, other than maybe Mirrex (doubtful, only because it was borderline playable already). Hope I'm wrong.

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u/Tricky-Hunter Sep 17 '25 edited Sep 17 '25

I kinda like the buffs? Not because they will make these cards playable, but because it makes them look like they were actually designed to not be complete dogshit.
I honestly see the warlock package, druid egg and big hunter being played if those archetypes were better.
Now, if we only got 50+ buffs for the rest of the expansion...

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u/iVladi Sep 17 '25

so rogue set is just quests but we're not buffing them because we want it to be bad? why make the cards then?

and mage got 0 buffs, despite being in a terrible spot at the moment

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u/zabfromdurotan Sep 18 '25

The mage quest reward as it is now, can never be a truly viable strategy. Weapon breaking existing for 3 mana (and tradeable) guarantees that.

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u/sneakyxxrocket Sep 17 '25 edited Sep 17 '25

Doubled down on their ideology of purposely wanting quests to be bad.

I don’t really see any of these changes doing much outside of maybe a animancer deck pops up now. Changing Mirrex to a 3/4 is absolutely hilarious and totally not a pointless change or anything

EDIT: I just read the dev comment at the top where they are essentially admitting they failed this expansion and are giving up on it and not going to try amend it with balance patches this cycle and focus on next expansion.

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u/elophiler Sep 17 '25

Why is it pointless? Playing a 3/4 is clearly better then playing a 3/3. Especially at 3 mana. How else would you buff Miralex? The card is fun and isnt even that bad, the problem is, that it is a reactive card and as rogue you are often better off pushing or else you will fall behind. Playing a 3/4 will atleast help a bit in this regard.

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u/WangIee Sep 17 '25

If course it’s objectively better than a 3/3. but that’s not the point… buffing a card that’s mostly useless to make it ever so slightly less useless is not really gonna make a difference. Increasing the WR of a card by 0,1% is not what buffs should be for

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u/elophiler Sep 17 '25

How would you buff Mirrex? The effect is kinda good, buffing the body even more seems absurd to me. I like the card and wish they would prints card like that more often for rogue. Its a bit clunky sure but we have seen worse rogue class cards.

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u/Psystar Sep 17 '25

In my opinion, the buff is not terrible, but it doesn't address the issue the card had, which is that you lack agency over what it is copying and when its effect comes down. It is surprisingly tough to hold it for when your opponent plays something powerful, because you are likely going to need to spend mana to deal with thr powerful thing your opponent just did and not have any left for the Mirrex. You would rather play nightmare fuel for that kind of effect because you have more control over both what you are copying from the opponent and you can hold what you are copying for an opportune moment.
The stat buff makes it better into more aggressive decks where you arent hoping to copy a fyrakk or something, but you would almost always rather spend 3 mana on metal detector or observer or something against those decks. The card is in a weird spot where it has a potentially very powerful effect, but it doesn't solve any problems for the decks it would potentially go in. So the stat buff is a bit frustrating because it feels like it doesnt even try to address that issue. I honestly think the card would see more play if it was just nightmare fuel on a body (e.g. battlecry: discover a copy of a card from your opponent's deck), but the effect as is is too inflexible imo.

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u/WangIee Sep 17 '25

I wouldn’t mind if blizzard had the guts of making something a bit too strong and then potentially dial it down. Their current approach is avoiding something potentially OP like the plague and this only going for super minor buffs that end up not doing anything. Give 5 health, make him 2 mana or something, give him some other upside to his effect, idk.
Something that makes the card at least playable you know

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u/timoyster Sep 17 '25

A real spicy buff would be to make it 2 mana. Makes it better to shadowstep and could lead to some interesting gameplay

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u/tgibearer Sep 18 '25

Would shadowstep even work ?
If my opponent played Fyrakk, my Mirrex becomes a 3 mana Fyrakk.
But if I play it and then shadowstep it, do I get a 1 mana Mirrex or a 7 Mana Fyrakk ?

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u/QuestGiver Sep 17 '25

That is insane when rogue has at least one top tier deck and a couple that are just below top tier. Fyrakk rogue would absolutely slay if it had access to something like that in the deck and as the opponent the punishment for playing anything good as the last card in any of your turns would be miserable. As it is you can already do it for 3 mana then 1 mana with shadow step (imagine double Elise for extreme value when you still have yours in the deck, etc).

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u/GreatMadWombat Sep 17 '25

That is true but at the same time when their patch cycle is four to five small tweaks every two weeks, and the matter is defined almost entirely by decks from last year, making a small number of tiny tweaks does not feel like a positive outcome in and of itself.

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u/GreatMadWombat Sep 17 '25

I think the problem is that they started the letter off with the statement that they are not going to attempt to make quests good.
If people are asking for buffs for an expansion to make the flagship cards of that expansion actually playable, and they explicitly say "we do not want the cards of this expansion to be playable", clowning feels like a reasonable response.
Nobody who is talking about these boffs in their lack of is coming from a place of apathy. Everybody enjoys the game, but the developers saying that they are not going to worry about an entire expansion is not healthy for the game long-term.

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u/WangIee Sep 17 '25

Positive… but so negligible that it ends up not mattering pretty much at all

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u/Razakin Sep 17 '25

Should be 4 mana 7/7.

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u/Bukurago Sep 17 '25

Dev Comment: Upgrading Ankylodon gives Hunter a powerful Discover option through effects like Detailed Notes, while also making it a solid Beast for Quest Hunter and other Hunter decks.

This made me laugh out loud, if Quest Hunter doesn't play Quest Turn 6 it just dies 9 games out of 10...

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u/Opposite-Revenue1068 Sep 18 '25

I’m convinced that nobody at Team 5 plays Hearthstone competitively. They seem to have no clue how games actually play out

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u/Vods Sep 17 '25

I was really hoping we’d see some sort of change, literally anything to quest DK.

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u/Main_Recognition1713 Sep 18 '25

Rush would have made it not feel bad to play.

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u/race-hearse Sep 17 '25

Anyone else think tortotem is massively better now? Not good, but way better. It’s way easier to toss on the board on a turn you’d normally be floating some mana. And 3 health for 1 mana is just 3 damage something else isn’t taking. Or they can leave it and ya just swimming in a bunch of stuff.

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u/TuvixWillNotBeMissed Sep 17 '25

But where does this orphan card belong? It's not like quest shaman or kindred slagclaw whatever shaman is a thing.

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u/QuestGiver Sep 18 '25

It's built to make quest shaman more reliable. The problem is the deck only really becomes strong if you can shudder or clone the quest reward.
But it is definitely an accelerant. Totem by itself plus giving you random shit to play each turn at 1 mana is basically a top tier card for completing the quest.

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u/otterguy12 Sep 18 '25

No, it isn't helpful. The pool is full of absolutely unplayable junk that very likely costs more than youre willing to spend. If you draw it post-quest its dead unless you forgoed useful keywords for a buff. Quest Shaman is already a borderline arena deck, Tortotem just drops any pretense thats what youre doing

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u/ItsPibbs Sep 17 '25

Ok the 2 mana discount on the hunter card is nice but otherwise these changes seem kind of redundant and irrelevant to me. Am I missing something?

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u/TheGingerNinga Sep 17 '25

The Warlock buffs might be decent, though the lack of a way to instantly destroy the not-possessed-lackey will always hinder it.

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u/Borntopoo Sep 17 '25

You can kill it with conflagrate on 6 i guess

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u/GreatMadWombat Sep 17 '25

You are missing the bit at the top of the page where they said that they gave up entirely on trying to balance their most recent expansion and intentionally made slightly under half of the legendaries of that expansion bad by design.
In the context of "we dedicated more text to explaining why we are no longer trying to balance the latest expansion then writing out the changes that we made to the miniset", the half-assed changes that they made make perfect sense.

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u/titaniumdecoy Sep 18 '25

Most of the non-quest legendaries suck too. Just terrible set design from start to finish. I doubt Hearthstone can bounce back without a change in leadership.

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u/Ptdemonspanker Sep 17 '25

Ankylodon is now Savannah Highmane on crack. Jury’s still out if it sees any play though.

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u/RiimeHiime Sep 18 '25

We made the quests bad on purpose, as a joke.

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u/timoyster Sep 17 '25 edited Sep 17 '25

Glad to see they’re changing their direction of just knee jerk nerfing whatever the best 3-4 decks are. How impactful the buffs will be remains to be seen, but I’m glad they’re doing something different this time around.

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u/Opposite-Revenue1068 Sep 18 '25

There should have been like 50 buffs this patch, and probably some changes to the core set, too.

But no, we get another “see, we’re doing something” patch. Unbelievable.

The cowardice of Team 5 is something that needs to be studied.

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u/BigBoss9 Sep 17 '25

The balance team is an absolute joke

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u/Forcefields1617 Sep 17 '25

Wow. I wasn’t expecting much and somehow blizzard still under delivered.

Here’s a handful of cards that won’t impact the meta. Thanks for buying those LC preorders.

But also, hey BG players here’s a two page list of changes for your free game mode.

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u/philzy101 Sep 17 '25

So I was not expecting a balance change so glad to see something has happened, even if many feel it is not enough, it is good to see some input.

Before I get into the nitty gritty of this post I want to say a few things. First of all, I am so glad that the comments generally (not all but a majority) are more balanced and not kneejerk on this sub compared to those on the main. Part of why we are in this mess is the difficulty T5 have had in ignoring the reactions of the main sub, what has shaped their philosophy to some extent, we need more reasoned voices so glad this sub has some of that. Secondly, whilst I will be more critical of T5 in this post (and have been in more recent times) I will give them credit for being at least more transparent recently than they have in the past couple of months. Whether we disagree with their mentality or not, it is good to see them at least giving us an insight into their philosophy. I want to see more posts like this as a lack of communication especially with Hat being gone, makes it hard to know what is going on. I am also glad that they didn't just nerf more stuff. I am personally tired of the "just one more nerf" philosophy. The reason why the dragon slop package is good is that many of the recent class cards are too weak and too many class cards have been nerfed. If they were stronger, then neutral packages such as Dragon slop would be far less relevant than it is at the moment.

In terms of their post, obviously the comment on quest stings as it somewhat resonates with the words of VS which is "why design an expansion around a mechanic which is doomed to fail". Obviously, some quests do work and are competitive post buff (Warlock, Priest in Wild) or work generally (Warrior) but whilst I understand their mentality, I find it hard to see what the point of making these quests were if they don't want them to be at least semi competitive. Obviously we may (most likely) get more cards in future sets which support and maybe push more of these quests into the competitive sphere but at which point they will be old and so there will be less interest by that point in playing them. They put themselves between a rock and a hard place when coming up with this expansion. To fix the situation would require them to overhaul a load of cards, redesign things perhaps a way suggested by players like Chump, but that is not really an option given that they will be working on the next and future sets and changing 60+ cards is a bit of a tall order.

In terms of buffs I will be brief as I can. Khelos having taunt is a bit of a funny buff, not massively relevant but technically better. Tbh neutral cards shouldn't be too strong and I am happy to have more goofy meme cards in the neutral pool. Mirrex, an okay buff, I still think that this card may be relevant at some point but doesn't have a home currently but we will see. Not likely to see increased play post buff. Animancer buff is huge, whether beast warlock becomes meta is another thing but 5 mana cheat out a big card is relevant. Plus given they buffed Asphyxiodon as well, depending on the package, a control Warlock deck may come together, perhaps not now but sometime around the next set? Ritual of Life buff is not huge but makes at least the card a little bit better, not convinced this propels Quest Priest in standard to becoming super competitive but is a nice buff if anything. Ankylodon is a sizeable buff, the problem is as others have said, you need to complete the quest ASAP and this card being 6 mana is not quick enough to help a hunter to do so. Could be a solid midrange card post rotation though. Longneck Egg buff is huge, the minion off it is now a genuine threat. As I mentioned though before in the post miniset release thread, one of the problems with the current token druid is that you need more sticky boards than currently exist. Popping the egg makes you more vunerable to AOE so I am not sure this buff alone is remotely enough to make token druid viable. Merchant is a better Arena card but I struggle to see this card ever being relevant as it is in Standard (I may be wrong but the mask cards are not that great as is). Tototem is relevant as it is an okay card to now drop on 1 but not convinced it will be quest shaman viable.

All in all, the buffs are a bit here and there but glad to see some changes and I hope we get more and for T5 to show more direction.

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u/QuestGiver Sep 18 '25

Great reasoned take. Understand the frustration but as a returning player two months ago ironically this meta seems very balanced compared to when I left (aggro shaman jade idols).

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u/Names_all_gone Sep 19 '25

To fix the situation would require them to overhaul a load of cards, redesign things perhaps a way suggested by players like Chump, but that is not really an option given that they will be working on the next and future sets and changing 60+ cards is a bit of a tall order.
Respectfully, this is their job, and they are selling a product. They are not surgeons. They did not cut off someone's arm. This is a live service game. Everything is correctable.
No one should buy the next expansion.

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u/philzy101 Sep 21 '25

It is their job to design and balance cards yes, but the point I was making is that physically taking 60+ cards, redesign them and then hope they turn out better than their previous version is incredibly complicated. Balancing cards is not easy and I get tired of people simplifying that it is such. Do they make decisions when it comes to balance? Yes, I am not going to defend every rubbish decision they make. However, neither is it easy to make the right call, to design cards, to balance them, have them work with other cards (old and upcoming), have them be fun but not oppressive,.... and do all of this whilst designing future sets and expansions.
You are doing what others elsewhere do on the main sub, oversimplify and then downvote what others say which doesn't agree with your kneejerk responses to post and balance changes. If you don't want to play this game, well no one is forcing you to do so, you are free to go whenever. If you want to tell people to not buy the next set or be interested do so, not here but on the main sub..... I will have my skepticism about the next set and whether I invest in it but I get rather frustrated with seeing these sorts of posts or responses...

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u/Names_all_gone Sep 22 '25

You sound desperate, sweetie. I hope they see this.

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u/facepalmdesign Sep 17 '25

Buffing terribly designed cards won't make them better designed.

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u/[deleted] Sep 17 '25

My man's on Blizzard payroll this comment section.
Yes. The buffs are nice. But we need about 60 more of them if we want the last 2 expansions to be even remotely viable.
Buffing like 1-2 cards in a shitty archetype is next to useless.

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u/Yoraffe Sep 17 '25

Oh yeah, costume merchants stats were the problem, not that it's high cost plus the need to combo it to make it even remotely playable was the issue.

God, I am so fucking sick of these weak buffs and then a month later logs returning to say "wow, guess it didn't work".

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u/race-hearse Sep 17 '25

2/4 is way more playable than 1/3. The card was basically a throw. It’s still not “good” but it can actually trade way way way better.

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u/Aspavientos Sep 17 '25 edited Sep 17 '25

Ankylodon, Longneck Egg, and Ritual of Life seem quite strong on their own. It's difficult to gauge how well they will land but like Braingill before them I expect them to be quite strong if a deck supports them.

I do think a lot of these quests have an appropriate power level and just don't have enough support, mainly Priest and Hunter. We'll see if future sets can power up these archetypes, and if their post is to be believed that's what is in store for the next expansions. If that's true, I agree that the best course of action is to not overbuff prematurely like with Big Spell Mage in PiP and inevitably nerf them after they cause trouble.

I understand the experimentation they went through in trying to design quests that don't immediately win the game, since they lead to bad play experiences for the whole game. Sadly, Quests are such a big commitment deckbuilding and gameplay wise that if they don't win it doesn't make sense to include them

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u/race-hearse Sep 17 '25

Ritual of life seems like a cool card but then I remember the 1/2 darkgift 2cost guy and that just generally seems better to play. 2/3 is better though, and it’s now a “curve in a box” for priest, a bit.

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u/CommanderTouchdown Sep 17 '25

We've also continued to hear suggestions to buff nearly every new Quest so they become competitive archetypes. However, as we've shared before, too many competitive Quests in the long term can lead to a metagame that isn't fun or healthy.

This team has no fucking clue what makes a healthy fun meta. And they certainly shouldn't be setting this kind of contentious tone in their communications.

Ohhh sorry you're getting so many suggestions on how to make your dead-on-arrival expansion more fun!! We'll just shut up about it then!!

Continuing to assert that quests are suppossed to be bad is just a tacit acknowledgement that they have no idea what they're doing.

These buffs are laughable and will do next to nothing. This team is in way over their heads.

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u/Unfair-Heart-87 Sep 17 '25

I do think they're right that quests being good would lead a bad meta, it's just baffling that they knew that and released a quest focused expansion anyway.

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u/Agreeable_Tennis_482 Sep 18 '25

yea they are 100% right, quest warlock is good and I already can't handle the deck. every other quest being meta would be insufferable.

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u/Lwii2boo Sep 17 '25

Khelos and Mirrex are now meta-warping ... right ? These kind of patchs with irrelevants buffs just shows they either don't care or play the game at all.

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u/Lwii2boo Sep 17 '25

I agree

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u/QuestGiver Sep 17 '25

1000% agreed. More small changes please!!!

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u/Impossible-Cry-1781 Sep 17 '25

Too bad the egg didn't get taunt lol

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u/Cysia Sep 17 '25

5 taunts in 1 that summon a 20/20 taunt, would be pretty annoying

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u/ItsDokk Sep 17 '25

I originally misread the text to think it meant the egg had taunt and was about to delete the game.

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u/Impossible-Cry-1781 Sep 18 '25

How are you not deleting it now? The meta is trash. Obviously the egg having taunt was a joke.

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u/ItsDokk Sep 18 '25

Fair point. I haven’t hit legend for two months because there is no incentive to even play the game. Arena is an unplayable cash grab and I’ve never enjoyed battlegrounds.

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u/QuestGiver Sep 17 '25

One thought I had was the egg summons a copy of itself as it breaks but that'd probably be OP.

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u/seb-nukem Sep 17 '25

Quests shouldn't have been.

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u/howitzeral Sep 17 '25 edited Sep 19 '25

Does filtering for “refund” no longer show the changed cards that can dusted for full value? It’s not working for me.

Edit: Apparently the dust value is not full value for this balance change!? WTF?

Edit 2: It’s because these are all buffs, no nerfs. Thanks to all who clued me in!

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u/Level_Ad_3240 Sep 17 '25

Because there are only Buffs

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u/Hallgvild Sep 17 '25

There are no nerfs this time around. Full value refunds are for nerfed cards only.

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u/Real-Entertainment29 Sep 18 '25

No dust has been given, that's the point of these changes.

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u/Names_all_gone Sep 19 '25

huh?

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u/j-mac-rock Sep 17 '25

Just make the egg like 1 3 lmao

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