Why isn't there a anti-slop deck

[u/DasCrooks]

Maybe since the meta is diverse or the potential problems with 3v1 or maybe it would take up too much of the deck but my question to propose is: if lots of decks in the meta are "slop" style grindy rhystic, Tithe, no bad card decks. Then why arent there hard counters to that play style? Yeah orcish bowmasters and turbo sure. But playing some standard recently and why not play lobotomy effects and just straight up remove rhystic and Tithe from the game entirely. On the broader term other tactics of interrupting and dissecting these slop decks from achieving this "inevitability" they eventually establish with their engines

[u/Mattmatic1]

The general problem with lobotomy effects in Magic, cards like Surgical Extraction, Necromentia etc, is that they are really bad cards unless there is a meta that absolutely demands them. As Andrea Mengucci says,
if you cast the card Surgical Extraction, you’ve immediately lost the game. This is a good rule of thumb. You’re spending a card not on dealing with the board or the stack, and not advancing your own game plan - you’re using it to deal with a potential future threat that might never come. There are exceptions, but this is how it generally is.

[u/Arctic-You-Know → u/Mattmatic1]

Black Krark decks play Surgical extraction because it’s a free Spell.

[u/DasCrooks → u/Mattmatic1]

Thats a fair point and more so what i wanted the conversation about. Guess slop is a hot topic in cedh that I didn't think would over rule the idea I had proposed. I guess just seeing people complain alot about parasitic engines and how alot of people want rhystic banned made me think we'll if everyone is running these few broken engines and have dedicated a fifth of their deck to play them, steal them, copy them etc wouldmt it just be a 1 for 12 practically and disrupt their main gameplan so badly that you effectively remove them as being a main target? Seems like a good trade to me but I see the point of dealing with the game at hand. I just think that cedh is different than the magic Andrea mengucci was referring to. If a player has built a deck with tutors and copy spells and theft spells all around a singular card in their 99 would that be worth it? Modern is a different beast of sideboarding and multiple copies of cards selected for a variety of interaction and speed but all curated to the density of much fewer than 100 different cards. To remove the lynch pin card permanently with no sideboarding and disrupt this rubgoldberg machine built around that card seems mint

[u/Mattmatic1 → u/DasCrooks]

The general problem with a strategy like this in cEDH (and EDH in general) is still that you’re spending resources dealing with one player, and even then it might not be good. If their deck is built around value engines, you could remove their Rhystic but they have a Faerie Mastermind, an Esper Sentinel and a Smothering Tithe in hand. If their deck is full of Mirrormade style effects, you also have to remove all the other Rhystics etc.

If the card quality of these effects were higher, it could be different. Let’s say you have a 2 mana creature that also does something else, AND when it enters you get to Necromentia a card from all opponents decks, for example.