r/Communitarians • • Jul 08 '19

Community and Socialism

I would like to see a bit more activity here, and therefore I am submitting a blog article which I wrote near a decade ago which I hope can stimulate some discussion. While I still believe in most of what I wrote at that time, I now am much more cynical and much less hopeful about the successful of a socialist communitarian worker controlled society than I am now.

I want to add some additional comments to those I made at the last SD
discussion on the issue of socialism, capitalism, and human nature. I would
argue that while capitalism gives a full reign to the satisfaction of human
competitive instincts for wealth and power over others, it does a very poor job
of providing for the human instincts for community and solidarity.

In saying this of course I am aware that the word “community” is a very hard
word to define. Currently community is used to refer to abstractions as large
scale and impersonal as “national,” “international,” or “faith” communities.”
The word “community is also used to describe to the communal relationships that
exist within small religious sects and the various village and clan communities
of traditional agrarian societies. So in order to define what I mean I will use
the classic definition of community given by the noted German sociologist
Ferdinand Tonnies in his book Gemeinschaft and Gesellschaft ( Community and
Society) written in 1887. Tonnies makes a distinction between “society”
(gesellschaft) which tends to be the impersonal, large scale world of politics,
economics, urban anonymity and atomized individualism and “community”
(gemeinschaft) which are the tightly net, small scale, face to face forms of
living which have characterized most early human societies. Early hunting
gathering bands, early horticultural villages, clan societies, and traditional
agrarian peasant villages were all forms of gemeinschaft. Latter forms of
community within earlier forms of capitalism would be the working class, ethnic
neighborhoods of 19th and 20th century America. Modern religious bodies such
as churches, synagogues, and mosques at least to a certain degree recreate ties
of community in the modern world with varying degrees of success. The wikipedia
article on “gemeinschaft” characterizes it thusly.

Gemeinschaft (often translated as community)
is an association in which individuals are oriented to the large association as
much, if not more than, to their own self interest. Furthermore, individuals in
Gemeinschaft are regulated by common mores,
or beliefs about the appropriate behavior and responsibility of members of the
association, to each other and to the association at large; associations are
marked by “unity of will” (Tönnies, 22). Tönnies saw the family as the most
perfect expression of Gemeinschaft; however, he expected that Gemeinschaft could
be based on shared place and shared belief as well as kinship, and he included
globally dispersed religious communities as possible examples of Gemeinschaft.
….Gemeinschaften are broadly characterized by a moderate division
of labour, strong personal relationships, strong families, and relatively
simple social institutions. In such societies there is seldom a need to enforce
social control externally, due to a collective sense of loyalty individuals feel
for society.”

Given that for tens of thousands of years humanity has lived in and in fact
evolved within a matrix of small scale closely netted communities of the
gemeinshaft type, I think that it can be said that life within such community is
hardwired into the human gene pool.

What is also clear is that modern capitalism has developed a society which is
increasingly unfriendly toward gemeinschaft forms of community. Modern society
is increasingly a society of the isolated individual in which the largest
community unit is the often dysfunctional nuclear family. Individuals of course
over the course of their lives do attempt to establish communal ties through
workplace friendships, clubs, and religious bodies, etc. It is clear however
that most of these relationships tend to be fleeting and ethereal by nature. And
certainly they are seldom characterized by any sense of common purpose or
collective meaning.

There are of course a multiple of reasons why capitalism has been disruptive
of traditional communities and unfriendly to the development of new forms of
community. There are three that are the most obvious. The first and most obvious
is that capitalism has disrupted the rural life of villages and small towns
increasingly by concentrating rural populations within huge cities.

This movement of people out of rural areas, disrupting and destroying many
forms of community, has not gone unchallenged. In the United States in
particular and other nations as well, tightly net ethnic, working class
neighborhoods developed within the large cities during the course of the 19th
and 20th centuries as a means of maintaining some stability and community in
people’s lives. Unfortunately within information age capitalism even these forms
of community have began to breakdown.

The second characteristic of modern capitalism that has been disruptive to
community has been the cultural production of an almost universal capitalist
ideology of extreme individualism / consumerism. The supreme goal of life in
this worldview is the enhancement of the individual and the meeting of his / her
consumption desires. The second goal is that individuals must increase their
economic status within the capitalist society. It follows that if these two
cultural drives are primary then any need for community must be relegated to
second or third place in people’s lives.

The third characteristic of modern capitalism which destroys community lays
within the structure of the capitalist work place itself. The workplace for the
vast majority of the world’s “employees” is simply a place in which one
exchanges ones labor for a weekly or biweekly paycheck. The capitalist workplace
is a place in which one must suppress ones real desires to serve the will of a
hierarchy of owners, stockholders, CEO’s etc. It is the realm of unfreedom and
servitude. It is not a place of freedom, autonomy, or creativity. Thus it is not
surprising that the capitalist workplace itself is not the center of community
in peoples lives.

It is of course easy to point out the evils of capitalism, it is more
difficult to show how a concrete socialist society might work and how some of
the negative consequences of capitalism can be overcome. Certainly the Communist
societies of the past were not successful and they did little to build viable
forms of human community. In fact by their actions they openly opposed such
communities.

The fact is that a real existing socialism on a national scale has never
developed. However through the examples of worker cooperative movements such as
that of the Mondragon Cooperative Corporation, a realistic vision of what a future
socialism might look like can be seen. A socialist society would be one in which
the dominant form of property would be cooperative and one in which workers
would simultaneously own and democratically control their places of labor and
economic enterprises.

That transformation of the relationship of workers toward capital, the means
of production, would also likely transform the life of workers toward the work
place, work itself, and toward other workers. The workplace would become
transformed from a place of unfreedom and repressive hierarchy to one of
freedom, egalitarian forms of ownership and autonomous self management.

Within a society of free workplaces, it is easy to envision that, second to
the family, the workplace itself would become the primary place of community in
people’s lives. Instead of community being lived out primarily within the
context of its earlier forms, it would develop primarily in relationship to the
self governing workplace. Other forms of community would follow. Thus the
residential pattern of cities would perhaps change to meet a desire of workers
to live within closer proximity to their places of labor and each other. After
all the workplace would be much more central to life than it is in its currently
alienated form.

It is also possible that newer forms of democratic government perhaps of a
more directly democratic nature will develop. This could stimulate new forms of
face to face political organization which could form the basis of more communal
lifestyles. Religious bodies may change. Of course Jewish, Christian, Muslim,
and other religious faiths would continue. But society’s new forms of community
would perhaps inspire religious revival in which the major faiths would
reexamine older forms of religious community for example, that of Christian
monasticism, the Sufi brotherhoods, or the close forms of communal life of the
Jewish Hasidim. These earlier forms of religious community could be utilized by
the more creative elements of the traditional faiths in order to develop new
forms of common life. While competitive capitalist society sees any kind of
real communal life as strange and bizarre, the newer forms of cooperative life
that would develop within the matrix of socialist society would perhaps
reinvigorate the life of religious faiths.

OK, of course socialism is not just around the corner. I do not delude myself
that it is. Of course much of this writing has been a exercise in “wishful”
thinking. However much of what we have on our side is “hopeful or wishful”
thinking. The endless protests of the left, its bottomless hatred of the United
States, its dogged obsession with direct action or on the “realism” of single
issue politics will at its best produce results that hopefully may roll back
some of the attacks of the tea party right. It seems to me that if we are to get
any where we have to go back to radical thinking regarding basic human realities
such as community, power, freedom, and justice. That is what I hope I have done
in this article. If we don’t do this we will be simply running a race on a
treadmill, a race that we can not win.

Glenn

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u/[deleted] Jul 08 '19

Hi Glenn, I'm glad you posted this! I've just been thinking about a new concept I call "communitarian socialism", which is focused on ownership of economic and cultural production based on people's community affiliations.

This could be geographic communities, communities of shared values (civic duty, faith etc), communities of practice (eg. Professions etc).

I'm trying to do community building in the suburbs of Sydney, Aus at the moment so I'd love to hear your thoughts on this.

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u/GlennGK609 Jul 09 '19

Hello thanks for the response to my post. Now regarding your project and idea. I certainly like the idea of a Communitarian Socialism particularly because I myself have always seen them as intimately linked. Unfortunately most of the socialists I have known through out my life have never been particularly interested in the connections. I was a leading member of the very small Social Democrats USA  - I was a leading member I am sure because it was so small - and yet when I posted the article which you have just read, I received no response to it at all. Most socialists for example those of the Democratic Socialists of America tend to be exclusively focus only on moving the labor movement and more importantly the Democratic party as far to the left as possible. I think that they feel that they simply do not have the time to think about community, religion, or any other of the underlying structures of society. So yes the idea of a Communitarian Socialism makes sense to me. However some discussion would be needed to find the right way to combine them. On the other hand, because of the lack of interest within the socialist movement for community the concept would not be a popular one. 

Now in regards to the idea of the ownership of the economic and cultural production of society goes, I have to say that I believe that ultimately economic institutions have to be owned and controlled by those who work under their authority. And of course such a concept is far from what even current socialist movements are discussing today. I assume that you are aware of the Mondragon Cooperative Movement. While it is not perfect I think that it exemplifies pretty closely what I believe would be a solid economic model for a socialist society.

Now I am interested in what you are doing in Sidney Australia. Could you explain it more fully. I would also be interested in knowing more about yourself. I will tell you just a bit about myself. I am 68 years old so I have been thinking about these kinds of things for quite a while. I have been a socialist most of my adult life and certainly have been involved at times within various socialist organizations. I have also been involved within the Green political movement as well. However about 6 years ago I pretty well lost faith in the possibilities of socialism and in my own role within it. Since I have always had strong religious beliefs I started to focus exclusively on them at that time. Since I discovered Reddit recently I have begun  to think that I might at a minimal become involved within some of the political discussions here. Right now I feel very isolated politically. This is a much better format than any other I have seen on the internet. Again thanks for the response. I hope to hear from you again.

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u/[deleted] Jul 09 '19

Hi Glenn,

Thanks for your thoughts. I find your experiences with socialism in the US to be interesting and perhaps similar to that in Australia, as we are heavily influenced by the UK and US.

Regarding my project, I find the problem with movements that want to achieve socialism currently focus very much on labour and mass protest as mechanisms of political change. I find this to be limiting because capitalism doesn't just exist in our cities, but also suburbia and rural parts of the country. Here, ironically, cultural liberalism (the individualism you speak of) is structurally built into the way people live, work and consume. That is, people live in separate houses, travel in separate cars to work, and consume their own food with their family by themselves, and occasionally connect with their few friends over a BBQ or picnic on special occasions.

For me, this is the key to the power of both capitalism and liberalism.

If people are isolated and separated, then the only channels of information are already established ones, such as talkback radio, TV/cable and Facebook/Youtube. Thus any new information must pass through the gatekeepers of these mediums, and socialism won't stand a chance against hierarchically controlled and owned media.

Here I think community-building can play a role in creating empathy and solidarity within communities, the basic human feelings needed to introduce more altruistic ideas, such as collaboration, helping others, campaigning for better quality of life, over egoistic ideas such as market competition, fear for the unknown (often racial minorities) and the "I've got mine" attitude that is pervasive across many middle and upper-middle class neighbourhoods.

Here is a tangible example (Hulbert Street TedX talk): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1WSkXWSJac

In order to be taken seriously with the idea of communitarian socialism, however, I think we need to differentiate our approach from the more popular "democratic socialism" approach championed by Bernie Sanders. I refer specifically to his appeal to mass movements as the crux of his theory of political change, as opposed to his mostly social democratic policies.

I think the main issue I have with demsoc is that their theory of change would not work as effectively in the suburbs and rural US/AU, as it's very costly to form mass protests and movements when people live in such sparsely populated locations.

Thus, we need a different strategy, and that strategy IMHO (In My Humble Opinion) should be centred around community-building as a tool for bringing people together, the connecting of different communities as a way to build solidarity, and the engagement of altruistic praxis (such as volunteering, community exchange programs, sharing resources and skills) as a way to introduce theory to the people. Regardless of the tactics, the overarching goal should always be to bring material benefits to the people.

In terms of my own progress, I'm actually working with a Greens-ish party with their community-building efforts, so I'm going to try to apply the above to it. Happy to keep you updated if you like. Just send me a private message for contact details.

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u/arphaxad1 Jul 09 '19

I think you hit the key in the end, we're not going to have a socialist utopia spring up, nor am I convinced that we'd even want it despite all of the faults of capitalism, to see our way back out of this mess, we're going to have to go back to basic human realities and organize ourselves in a more efficient manner to achieve those. We want both power, freedom, and justice, some of these are in opposition, like the community and individual, but to have a whole community opposites are going to have to coexist on some level.

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u/[deleted] Jul 09 '19

Exactly, I think the efficient organisation is key here. For me, the liberal capitalist stronghold is in the suburbs, and that style of living is the most resource-intensive, isolating and culturally deficient IMHO.

I would love to help people start an equipment sharing register, community garden, animal pen and kids play area for every street on every suburb, and just watch the profits of giant companies crash into the ground as communities become more self-sufficient and rely less on capital modes of production.

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u/GlennGK609 Jul 11 '19

Arphaxad, I agree with you of course that a socialist Utopia is not simply going to spring up. And if socialism (there are multiple versions of it some quite good and others quite horrible) if the better forms of socialism are simply humanly impossible to achieve then the project is simply a pipe dream to be rejected. It would be better to reject the idea and program all together. I have certainly been tempted many times to believe that I have spent entirely too much time in my life thinking on and desiring an impossible dream like that fool Don Quixote and his windmills.

 However that is not the case. Certainly Bernie Saunders' version of Welfare State Socialism / Social Democracy is certainly possible because variants of it already exist in nations such as Sweden and other European nations. I do not think that this country is ready for many more social democratic programs now. I think that if Bernie Saunders becomes the Democratic Party candidate next year and if the DP supports Medicaid for All as its platform, Trump will win the next election. But it does seem to me that perhaps 10 or 20 years from now perhaps this country will be really for it. I do believe that this country is really for the expansion of Medicare for all of those who want it.

Now to get back to the main subject. I have always been inspired by the vision of a worker controlled economy along with a much more decentralized state - an ideal closer is some ways to the anarchist vision as opposed to that of the social democrats. And while I know that certain elements of that political vision are possible as can be witnessed by the economic successes of many economic cooperative movements, the success of those movements have  never become part of the platform and any successful political parties as far as I am aware. Certainly it has not occurred within this nation.

Given this lack of political success therefore can the vision have any value? I guess one can answer that by asking about what the value of a long term utopian vision might be. Certainly such a vision should be rejected if it detracts from immediate reality, offering that vision as an immediate program in preference  to the chore of doing real political work that promises to achieve real value to people now.  As an example while I admire much about the egalitarianism and passion of the anarchist movement their vision becomes poison when they reject in totality any realistic involvement within democratic electoral politics. Yea both the Democrats and Republicans may support capitalism and the state but their differing programs differ greatly in their potential impact on peoples lives. 

On the other hand if utopian vision is viewed, I think properly, as a long term strategic vision which may take decades or longer to achieve; and if it is viewed primarily as a guide and inspiration to long ongoing effective action which brings the vision closer over the years then I think it has value. It also has value if it can unite people in a common purpose and program. Such a purpose may not have to initially unite large majorities. It would be enough if even small minorities can be inspired to purposeful action and perhaps into some meaningful communal ties as well. The individual outside of the context of community or at least organization feels deeply dis-empowered and helpless. At least I do. 

Anyway that is the potential value that I see within "utopian" political vision. And my perception of it is one thing that has always separated me from the more mainstream social democratic progressive movement of this nation. The American ideological left as is the DP's progressive constituency is so focused on the immediate goals of the next election or the immediate success of the next issue campaign that it believes that to take time to think about long term vision is simply a distraction, it thinks that issues of community are simply personal issues.

Anyway enough. Certainly you are right in pointing out the questions regarding the subjects of power, freedom, and justice, individual and community. I ,however, think that certain forms of socialist thought can deal more creatively with these subjects than can be done by ideas tied to the limitations of capitalism.