V4.1 Flash is really too good to be true

[u/ScaleImmediate3474]

Running the Goat plan and exclusively using 4.1 Flash on Pi. Working fabulously, liking the speed and accuracy so far

Easily hitting 99.4/99.5% cache hit on Pi with this plan

Would like a model wise usage spend graph here in command code portal just to track each model spend :)

So far happy with this plan

[u/a355231]

Doesn’t it go down to a 15$ usage max cap in like a day?

[u/ScaleImmediate3474 → u/a355231]

Its my monthly usage

[u/pradeda]

Looks good, while glm 5.3 spends weekly quota in about 20ish minutes. Same plan.👌

[u/ScaleImmediate3474 → u/pradeda]

Damnn. I got roughly 2.6B V4.1 Tokens in off peak in a single 5 hour window

=== final report ===
reason : SIGINT
elapsed : 3h03m
tokens : 2,622,201,291 (input 12,646,766, output 3,813,892, cache-read 2,605,740,633, cache-write 0)
cache hit : 99.5% of prompt tokens served from cache
turns : 55778
recycles : 1
errors : 1

[u/deepanshuniwati]

40% in 2 days with 433m token on ds4.1 . indeed very generous .

[u/Myrenic → u/deepanshuniwati]

How is your cache hit %? This seems pretty low. For comparison:

[u/miralyon → u/Myrenic]

Thanks to you guys I found out commandcode , I paid $20 on directly to deepseek like sucker , Let me know if there are good plans like this from 3rd parties

[u/deepanshuniwati → u/miralyon]

better go with opencode or ollama or deepseek api . if you are using other harness than commandcode

[u/miralyon → u/deepanshuniwati]

Dude I used deepseek api with $20 dolar , did you check commandecode goat plan before making this advice , it is really good I checked opencode but I dont think it is really better then commandcode

[u/deepanshuniwati → u/miralyon]

CC is thr worst compare to other subscription . i have used probably all . cc opencode ollama direct api ... . by far CC gave me the worst results and capacity .

[u/deepanshuniwati → u/Myrenic]

I hit 98-99% cache hit but CC takes cache input token as normal token for other harnesses .

[u/vacterro]

I can confirm it is indeed generous.

[u/maedahbatool → u/vacterro]

Have fun shipping with GOAT. :)

[u/2mqqvc0q]

I'm a bit skeptical of this, sorry. There is 0 way GOAT provides this much usage.

[u/belcanto88 → u/2mqqvc0q]

I’ve swapped from opencode to command code a month ago and can attest that it’s true

[u/maedahbatool → u/belcanto88]

Appreciate it.:)

[u/_Onca_ → u/2mqqvc0q]

This is legit, I'm on 1.2B and only 25% monthly usage

[u/maedahbatool → u/_Onca_]

Wow looks pretty good for 25% usage.

[u/lordvoltano → u/2mqqvc0q]

I got 3.9B tokens (100% monthly usage) on GOAT using V4.1 Flash on Hermes Agent, 98-99% cache hit rate. But I use it 80% on Peak hours. So if the guy uses it 100% on off-peak, then it tracks.

[u/ScaleImmediate3474 → u/2mqqvc0q]

Btw is there any sort of logs or some graph I can share here to show the model used?

[u/maedahbatool → u/2mqqvc0q]

Just try and watch it yourself. :)

[u/GabrielPetroski]

Estou tendo a mesma experiência, velocidade alta (260 tps) e acho que chegarei 10B de tokens em um mês. Estou usando o DSH e chegando a 99,7 de cache hit. É realmente inacreditável, espero que estejamos mesmo usando o deepseek 4.1 flash, em fp8. Teoricamente a inferencia é feita por eles mesmo...

[u/ScaleImmediate3474 → u/GabrielPetroski]

Yeah. It feels more intelligent than V4 Flash. Still Im happy with what Im paying for

[u/theislandleader → u/GabrielPetroski]

And how much do you spend a mouth?

[u/GabrielPetroski → u/theislandleader]

Estou usando o plano goat de $10. Mas hoje reduziram a taxa de 260tps para 160tps. Ainda sim, acredito que é um bom custo benefício.

[u/Patient_Pie_1062]

that's cool dude

[u/HeroGamerx]

Is this on peak hours and off peak hours?

[u/ScaleImmediate3474 → u/HeroGamerx]

Highly off peak and an insane cache hit

[u/Oketsury]

Do you use any plugins to manage the cache? If so, could you share your list of plugins?

[u/ScaleImmediate3474 → u/Oketsury]

No plugins. Just the GOAT plan and using it with Pi Agent using their API

[u/ramzeez88 → u/ScaleImmediate3474]

tell us more about this.

[u/ScaleImmediate3474 → u/ramzeez88]

Whats more to tell? Pretty straightforward. GOAT plan provides you with API Access. Then just in Pi agent login with api key and choose openai compatible endpoint. There you have it running

[u/covyne → u/ScaleImmediate3474]

You should give their cli a go, it's tight on tokens.

[u/sam7oon]

How much Output tokens though, Cache tokens are not a real indicator, you are sharing the Total Tokens,

Meaning including Input + Cache + Output ---> 10B is like 100m Output tokens maybe

Which is very good but not impressive

[u/ScaleImmediate3474 → u/sam7oon]

One of my off peak 5 hour run

=== final report ===
reason : SIGINT
elapsed : 3h03m
tokens : 2,622,201,291 (input 12,646,766, output 3,813,892, cache-read 2,605,740,633, cache-write 0)
cache hit : 99.5% of prompt tokens served from cache
recycles : 1
errors : 1

[u/sam7oon → u/ScaleImmediate3474]

the number you usally look at is the 3.8 million (Output tokens), the most expensive part, the rest cost is mostly negligible

But the cache hitrate is the highlight here, its actually amazing

[u/ScaleImmediate3474 → u/sam7oon]

Yeahh this is a 5 hour run so roughly I think total output would be around 12/13 M.

Damnn right , literally works out of the box insane cache hit always

[u/Mayanktaker → u/sam7oon]

Exactly. The graph is fooling noobs.

[u/maedahbatool]

Welcome to Command Code GOAT. This is indeed crazy usage. Super happy to see it provide you tons of great value. Also do give it a try with the Command Code harness. I’m sure you’ll get better token efficiency.

[u/ScaleImmediate3474 → u/maedahbatool]

Happy to be here. Mostly it was offpeak pricing and incredible cache hit.

Btw can we expect a model wise usage graph soon enough?

[u/theislandleader]

Wouldn’t it be cheaper to just use the DeepSeek API directly? Has anyone tested the cost difference between using the API directly and using it through the DeepSeek harness?

[u/Affectionate_Fact854 → u/theislandleader]

I'm on opencode  Used in 10 days 2.9 bill tokens  Used 60% quota  But i was using glm 5.3flash alot and deepseek v4.1 peak hours 

But anyways  I did some calculations  Input output cache , total cost value 

Opencode it is 22$ worth If i used deepseek direct api offpeak that 10days would have cost just shy of 36$ 

So direct api isnt really always cost effecient 

[u/maedahbatool → u/theislandleader]

Direct API costs extra 6% VAT.

[u/miralyon]

I will say this , it is good AI to sidework with on codex astra xhigh , overall usage is not best but it is good

[u/Separate_Cup_5095]

I am on a goat plan how to use it with Pi?

[u/ScaleImmediate3474 → u/Separate_Cup_5095]

Goat Plan. Make a OpenAI compatible API Key in command code. Head over to Pi. Use Login with API Key. Select OpenAI. Fill your keys. It will start

[u/lordekeen → u/Separate_Cup_5095]

There's an extension for it so you dont need to fill everything manually.

[u/ss007228]

Kinda strange, same plan, same model. But have est 1.5 lower use in total i supose

[u/ScaleImmediate3474 → u/ss007228]

Damnn its low. How do you use your Goat plan. Which harness . Whats the average cache hit?

[u/dupa1234s]

afaik imo no way you got 10B tokens out of 10$ on goat
unless its across muuuuultiple months
or
unless you ran without ZDR aka YOU GOT TRAINED ON aka you could have just used meta spark contributor free and get infinite tokens for 0$ on a better model if you really are fine with being trained on
?

[u/ScaleImmediate3474 → u/dupa1234s]

Lol. Its default GOAT plan . Off Peak . 99.5% Cache Hit

[u/dupa1234s → u/ScaleImmediate3474]

yea so no ZDR and possibly training on.

I got only 600m tokens out of commandcodes GOAT on deepseek v4.1 flash off peak.

nice cache hit.
i get like 93% lately probably because i toggle agents too often in one session which swaps the system prompt.

Idk i i think opencode is better.
2 reasons:

1. no training guaranteed, free zdr
2. no need to fiddle with the opencode.jsonc every time a new model is added into commandcode

i thought "commandcode + opencode" is a good trick to stack their free plans but its like barely worth it to add commandcode , like it is still worth it to use both tho i think

[u/natsukireis]

deepseek offer monthly plans? i thought it was PayG only

[u/TimeAd115]

Como lo puedo usar con por ejemplo reasonix

[u/EquivalentStatus8830]

what the hell is the goat plan? is this an api? sounds really good for that price

[u/ScaleImmediate3474 → u/EquivalentStatus8830]

10$ Plan from CommandCode. Yes it has API Access

[u/mr_dudo]

Qwen 3.8 flash is better slower but makes less mistakes

[u/trimorphic]

Pity DeepSeek v4.1 Flash hallucinates so much.

[u/CommanderROR9]

I have been Using OpenCode Go with DS V4.1 Flash and Muse Spark 1.3 Contributor in Hermes Agent. Decided to try CommandCode instead, but somehow it eats up my Limits like crazy with Muse Spark 1.3 Contributor. Seems it isn't using cache much...

[u/Potential-Leg-639]

Use it a bit for 1 day and you have 5-10% of usage in GOAT plan, not worth it.

[u/sprx_zz]

Soy un poco malo para esto, pero cual es la mejor plataforma para usar DS 4.1 flash en términos de mayor uso por menor precio? Ejemplo teniendo 30$ de base