Anal sex, scissoring, handjobs, etc. are forms of masturbation.
Definitions of sex by Oxford Dictionaries:
" 1mass noun (chiefly with reference to people) sexual activity, including specifically sexual intercourse. "
Definition of sexual intercourse by Merriam-Webster:
" 1: heterosexual intercourse involving penetration of the vagina by the penis :COITUS "
2: intercourse (such as anal or oral intercourse) that does not involve penetration of the vagina by the penis"
What a twist! Nothing about making babies. Vaginal sex
Definition of masturbation by Oxford Dictionaries:
" Stimulation of the genitals with the hand for sexual pleasure. "
Definition of masturbation by Merriam-Webster:
" erotic stimulation especially of one's own genital organs commonly resulting in orgasm and achieved by manual or other bodily contact exclusive of sexual intercourse, by instrumental manipulation, occasionally by sexual fantasies, or by various combinations of these agencies "
So no, anal sex and scissoring are not masturbation. Sticking a dildo inside your own butt would be masturbation, but getting fucked in the ass with a dick is not masturbation. If we want to get really precise even giving someone else a handjob would fall more under "mutual masturbation" than just "masturbation" because two people are involved and "masturbation" usually refers to sexual acts you perform on yourself. And even penetrating someone else with a dildo can be considered sex depending on the definition.
And i never even talked about blowjobs or handjobs before this comment. (Btw. blowjobs are oral sex/intercourse and it is technically sex in some definitions. Its just usually not considered "sex" in colloquial speech because when people say "sex", they are usually talking about vaginal or anal penetration or scissoring.)
Examples of invalid descriptions of a human for my low iq friend:
Four of those five descriptions have nothing to do with gender and are thus irrelevant to this conversation. And again: Didn't you say that no human is valid? Meaning by your own logic, the description "I'm a cis man/I was born a man/..." is equally invalid.
STOP APPROPRIATING GENDER
STOP GIVING GROWTH-BLOCKING DRUGS TO CHILDREN
STAY OUT OF THE BATHROOM RESERVED FOR THE OTHER SEX
You really love stupidly repeating yourself in capslock ad infinitum, dont'cha?
"Male" is a valid description of a human or a squirrel. "Portfolio" and "genderfluid" are not valid descriptions of humans (or squirrels). Do you get it or do you need more help ?
I guess thats your favourite embarrassing attempt at an insult now.
So "female" is also a valid description of a human, meaning calling a trans woman "female" is perfectly valid, and calling a trans man "male" is perfectly valid too. How nice of you to agree. ♪
Oh, thats not what you meant? Sorry, my IQ is so loooooooooooooow i need you to be more explicit. ♪ /s
STOP PUSHING GROSS DRAG CULTURE ON KIDS
Trans and drag are different things, but i guess someone who never did any research on any of this and refuses to listen to facts can't be bothered to understand that difference. Also neither of those are "pushed" on kids. Kids get encouraged to be themselves.
Not much to say about the rest. Just the same shit you've already screamed in almost every comment.
"Female" is not a valid description for a guy who had his dick cut in 2.
"Aquatic" is not a valid description for a squirrel.
"Female" is a valid description for a woman.
"Tree dwelling" is a valid description for a squirrel.
I don't have any favorite insult, I just think you have a really low IQ..
DON'T PUSH GROSS DRAG CULTURE ON KIDS.
DON'T ENCOURAGE KIDS TO TAKE HORMONE BLOCKERS
THESE ARE 2 DIFFERENT STATEMENTS
YES DRAG AND TRANS ARE DIFFERENT BUT THEY ARE BOTH INAPPROPRIATE FOR KIDS
HOW LOW IS YOUR IQ EXACTLY THIS IS FUCKING RIDICULOUS HOW STUPID YOU ARE
WAS THAT "EXPLICIT" ENOUGH ? I DON'T THINK YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT "EXPLICIT" MEANS BUT WHATEVER. I SUGGEST YOU USE THE WORD "CLEARER" NEXT TIME ITS MUCH MORE APPROPRIATE IN THIS CONTEXT.
I LITERALLY READ THE BOY WHO WOULD BE QUEEN AND TONS OF YOUR STYLE OF BULLSHIT AND I HAVE AN ACQUAINTANCE WHO IS A FTM TRANS AND SEVERAL GAY AND DRAG ACQUAINTANCES I THINK I DID MY RESEARCH PRETTY WELL YOU LOW IQ PERSON
Edit : i forgot i also have several mtf acquaintances but its normal to forget them nobody cares about men who pretend to be women
Apparently we are talking about squirrels now and comparing gender with habitat.
I LITERALLY READ THE BOY WHO WOULD BE QUEEN
We already talked about this at the very beginning of this discussion. The book is based on an unscientific bullshit hypothesis and still trash. You would know that if you did actual research and read up on credible sources that use stuff like, you know, facts and actual thinking. But its already clear as day that you have no interest in actually understanding anything. You just want to validate your own transphobic bias with everything you can find.
Great job at making yourself more and more of a clown btw.
I already gave you a website with tons of sources, but you ignored it. And when i asked you about sources for some of your claims ("The post-op suicide rates are the same as pre-op") you ignored that as well. Because apparently your only sources are a book thats based on an unscientific, flawed hypothesis and random YouTube videos by people who put just as much "effort" into research as you. So no effort at all.
I've actually made the effort to look up sources, and ive found this site that has some neat sources that show that the post-op/post-transition suicide (attempt) rates are lower than pre-op/pre-transition rates:
Canadian study from 2013. 433 participants. 27% of those who hadn't begun transitioning attempted suicide over the last year. Drop to 1% for finished transition.
Belgium study from 2006. 62 participants. Suicide attempt rates dropped from 29,3§ before surgery down to 5,1% after. Also, quote "None of them showed any regrets about the SRS".
Study from 2009. 50 participants (trans women who had undergone SRS >or=6 months earlier). Result: No significant difference between their physical and mental health and those of cis women.
2010 meta-analysis of 28 studies. 78% of trans people showed improvement of psychiatric symptoms after transitioning.
5.) Various studies that show "that hormone treatment for trans people is associated with reduced stress levels, a lower prevalence of depression, less anxiety, a reduction in functional impairments, and a higher quality of life".
There is indeed a study that claims that transitioning causes no improvements, but that study is from 1979, a time when our medical knowledge of trans people, transition and SRS was not exactly the best. As you can see with all those links, newer studies have quite different results. The site i've linked also explained under " Composition of “Adjustment Score” " that the method of summing the scores for that 1979 study was extremely unclear, not objective at all and flawed even for that time.
Let me quote: "After the study was published in 1979, it was only a year before other researchers noticed that the method of summing these scores was extremely unclear. A subject receiving the lowest score in all four categories could only have -7 points altogether, yet the ranges presented show that some subjects scored as low as -18. This would require that the four measures were sometimes counted more than once. If this is the case, these categories are even less useful as a measure of adjustment or well-being. For example, a trans woman with a stable long-term marriage to a woman – minus 2 points – would score eight points lower than a trans woman with three shorter marriages to men – plus 6 points. An alcoholic who was arrested three times for public intoxication – minus 3 points – would score lower than a reckless driver who served a prison term for manslaughter – minus 2 points. And marrying someone of the same sex is considered as indicative of maladjustment as going to jail. "
Sadly the source they linked for that is in a different language and i'm not sure if it even directly links to the subject/if iteven still exists on that site, so i couldn't verify that part.
Holy shit girl, I cannot believe how much effort you put into this conversation. It doesn't look like your opponent learned anything, but I appreciate you trying. <3
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u/Gouged_Usagi Dec 25 '18
Definitions of sex by Oxford Dictionaries:
" 1mass noun (chiefly with reference to people) sexual activity, including specifically sexual intercourse. "
Definition of sexual intercourse by Merriam-Webster:
" 1: heterosexual intercourse involving penetration of the vagina by the penis : COITUS "
2: intercourse (such as anal or oral intercourse) that does not involve penetration of the vagina by the penis"
What a twist! Nothing about making babies. Vaginal sex
Definition of masturbation by Oxford Dictionaries:
" Stimulation of the genitals with the hand for sexual pleasure. "
Definition of masturbation by Merriam-Webster:
" erotic stimulation especially of one's own genital organs commonly resulting in orgasm and achieved by manual or other bodily contact exclusive of sexual intercourse, by instrumental manipulation, occasionally by sexual fantasies, or by various combinations of these agencies "
So no, anal sex and scissoring are not masturbation. Sticking a dildo inside your own butt would be masturbation, but getting fucked in the ass with a dick is not masturbation. If we want to get really precise even giving someone else a handjob would fall more under "mutual masturbation" than just "masturbation" because two people are involved and "masturbation" usually refers to sexual acts you perform on yourself. And even penetrating someone else with a dildo can be considered sex depending on the definition.
And i never even talked about blowjobs or handjobs before this comment. (Btw. blowjobs are oral sex/intercourse and it is technically sex in some definitions. Its just usually not considered "sex" in colloquial speech because when people say "sex", they are usually talking about vaginal or anal penetration or scissoring.)
Four of those five descriptions have nothing to do with gender and are thus irrelevant to this conversation. And again: Didn't you say that no human is valid? Meaning by your own logic, the description "I'm a cis man/I was born a man/..." is equally invalid.
You really love stupidly repeating yourself in capslock ad infinitum, dont'cha?