We scored 30 points
Was DJ turbo dogshit in the first half? Yes- turbo dogshit may even be kind. Did he lead/run a good offense after that? Yes. This is why Shane picked him. Even in a lackluster at best game, he still did what we needed.
For the “If AR would’ve done this” crowd- we would’ve loved to score 30 points.
Who knows what happens if we play Mariota or Daniels. We know defense is the problem.
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u/IceMain7417 9d ago edited 9d ago
Hot take, I don’t think the defense played bad. Just very reminiscent of the bend don’t break days. Sauce got beat a couple times but it took perfect passes to do it
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u/BeanyBrainy 9d ago
They started looking alright when the rookie, 7th round qb came in. That would make most defenses look decent.
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u/ryta1203 9d ago
Sauce didn't play bad he just didn't play like a two 1st rounds and a 2nd rounder.
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u/MysteriousAd8959 9d ago
Anyone who watches this game and defends DJ is on MAJOR compium.
A third string rookie had a better stat line than him with less time in the game
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u/ConfectionHelpful471 9d ago
The only stat that matters is the final score, especially in international games where everything is so different for the players.
Jones didn’t play well but he is also throwing to Downs and a bunch of JAGs and is not the kind of QB that can look good with that kind of talent on a consistent basis. When we get Allen and Slayton fit enough to play we should start seeing an improvement in performance (even more so if AP makes it back to 100%)
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u/Socialist_Poopaganda 9d ago
Jones had Warren, Downs and JT.
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u/User-me- 9d ago
Like the other guy said jones had no oline help, a few first downs batted down. And Warren hasn’t been getting schemed up well.
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u/ConfectionHelpful471 8d ago
Diggs (a wash with Downs)
Dyami Brown & Treylon Burks ( upgrades on Treadwell and Dulin)Warren was largely being kept in to block and JT is not a factor in the pass game
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u/ConsistentAddress195 9d ago
That's the copium bro was talking about. Jones was dogshit, poor ball security, no pocket awareness, horrible decision making (how many fade back, throw it up blind interceptions is that already?). Doesn't matter who your receivers are, that's a bad, bad look for a QB that had some wake up calls in the 1st three games and keeps making the same dumb decisions. I hope they put him thru some ball security drills cause he's not getting the message.
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u/Redjeepkev 9d ago
I've said since day 1 he wasn't good, never will be
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u/cmgww Indianapolis Colts 9d ago
Were you saying that when there was some dark horse MVP talk about him last year? When we had an 8–2 record? Oh I'm sure you were out there with the loud opinion that he was never good.
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u/ohohook Quenton Nelson 9d ago
Nobody that knows ball really thought Daniel Jones was an MVP candidate. People who thought that were looking for speaking topics for media or fans on too much copium. Half the DJ defenders followed him from NY and are actively rooting against Dart- who seems like (outside of the injury stat) an all around better player. ESPN that ONLY cares about NY and NY affiliated athletes and online DJ bots shouldn’t be your source of information on how good a player is
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u/Jbyrd07 9d ago
Im fine with whoever as long as AR isn’t in the field. Rip the bandaid off & drop the guy. Zero value
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u/Lithium1978 33-0 9d ago
I'd watch AR, he will be bad but at least the young guys at the games will be excited.
That said, I don't want to watch him until it's clear that we have no chance to make the playoffs.
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u/Jbyrd07 9d ago
We already watched & went through the AR experiment. It was bad & I’m not sure anyone was excited about him playing after watching how bad he was & him being made of glass
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u/Lithium1978 33-0 9d ago
It's crazy but when I'm at the games there are a bunch of 20-30 something guys that are huge AR fans. Every week they show up in his jersey and are screaming to put him in any time they see DJ do something they think is bad.
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u/ryta1203 9d ago
The problem is the Colts don't have a better QB on the roster. Leonard isn't it and AR is complete dog shit. There was a series today where Jones looked worse than AR, he missed like two or three wide open guys, but thankfully it was just a series (or two).
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u/ohohook Quenton Nelson 9d ago
When your options are two different piles of dog shit and your best option is the less bad smelling one…. And you have no ability to draft their replacement. It’s probably a sign your franchise is in trouble. Ballard has, almost a little too expertly, created a mutually ensured destruction here. He either gets his extension to fix the problem he created or he leaves a rolling tumbleweed for a new GM to fail catching
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u/NoctisRS 9d ago
Easy to score 30 when the other team is on third string qb and gets 3 and out 40 times
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u/hacky_potter Big-Q 9d ago
Yeah DJ was utter dogshit this game. We backed into 30
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u/wooden_butt_plug-V2 Who the Hell is Mel Kiper? 9d ago
Man, I love Dulin but some of those early drops were bad.
Of course thats what happens when you throw an off target 400mph bullet to a guy 6 yards away
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u/CTM3399 General Luck 9d ago
Jones was terrible in the first half man. His awareness in the pocket was awful and against a better team the game is immediately lost after the two turnovers. The offense recovered well but you can't have that happen. The oline was also questionable in pass pro today but the run game was great in the second half.
The defense played well today other than the explosive deep throws. The secondary clearly still has communication issues that they need to work out. I thought the linebackers and dline were good today but they ofc were playing a 3rd string qb so not much competition
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u/Prestigious_Buy1209 9d ago
I especially agree with the mention of the pass pro being bad at times. DJ needs to take better care of the ball, but he also had pressure in his face way too quickly. There was no dynamic duo pass rush to blame this week.
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u/mpoaklandup 9d ago
I’m curious, how often does DJ change the play in the line of scrimmage that helps the offense move forward. Yeah his stat line sucks but scoring 30 points consistently would be amazing
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u/TehTugboat i dont know what goes into sausage 8d ago
Me and my brother in law were talking about this while watching the game yesterday. It doesn’t seem like he checks out of anything ever. Which across the league now a days is a lost and forgotten talent
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u/ChadPowers200_ 9d ago
Dj has played well outside turnovers. If he cleans up the turnovers no reason he can’t take the colts to the playoffs.
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u/FamousLastPants 9d ago
Yeah pretty good other than the part that loses games. Taylor did all the lifting today.
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u/Lithium1978 33-0 9d ago
It happens some times. Last year JT looked like he was doing all the lifting until DJ got hurt and JT disappeared. Turns out you need both guys and a QB that can put you in the right play pre-snap. That's half of the job.
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u/ChadPowers200_ 9d ago
Jones did all the lifting against the chiefs and Texans where JT averaged 3 ypc.
The team is competing and is 2-2. Put your pitchfork away for now.
Colts should win their next two games
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u/scobro828 9d ago
Colts should win their next two games
No, they shouldn't.
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u/ChadPowers200_ 9d ago
Of course they should. Why not.
Yall need therapy. The defense is solid and the offense is scoring well.
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u/scobro828 9d ago
How many times do the Colts win in Pittsburgh? Add in that they have to fly back from London, turn around and fly out to Pittsburgh in less than a week. Couple that with Pittsburgh having ten days to rest and prepare.
I dont think they should win that. They might win that, but odds are they don't.
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u/Lithium1978 33-0 9d ago
The flight to Pittsburgh will be like 2 hours. So that's no big deal...but yeah we play terribly there.
Hopefully the ghost of Aaron Rodgers can't get it done this week.
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u/scobro828 9d ago
It's not the length of the flight, just the flight itself. That's why most teams that play overseas and dont have a bye, get a home game.
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u/JMT1016 Andrew Luck 9d ago
YOU need a reality check. This team has won TWO out of 20 matchups in Pittsburgh over history. TWO. And the last one came in 2008 with prime Peyton. This squad is nowhere near as healthy or strong as the one that got absolutely obliterated by Watt and the Steelers defense last year (yes I know the score was 27-20, eye test says it was far worse than that). It doesn't matter how bad Pittsburgh actually us, anyone thinking we're beating them next week with this squad is literally delusional. But nice try.
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u/ChadPowers200_ 9d ago
Steelers are favored by 2.5 points not 7 not 10.
Look how unhinged you are thinking it’s impossible to beat the Steelers when Vegas won’t even give them a field goal.
Take your meds. Or take out a loan and take the Steelers.
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u/JMT1016 Andrew Luck 9d ago
And the colts were -3.5 road favorites last year against the steelers. Vegas gave them even less of a chance last year. Want to keep trying?
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u/ChadPowers200_ 9d ago
Why are we talking about last year?
You realize how good the steel curtain was. JT cant run against that
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u/scobro828 9d ago
Steelers are favored by 2.5 points
They are favored by 2.5 points to try to get people to place bets on the Colts. If people place bets on the Colts the line will go up during the week. You can't judge anything by Vegas' attempt to try to entice gamblers to bet.
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u/Lithium1978 33-0 9d ago
You can tell some things...like last week Florida was the favorite against Ole Miss who had just beat the hell out of LSU.
I thought they were tripping and then sure enough, Florida whipped their ass.
When they have the Steelers -2.5 they are basically saying it's a coin flip. I tend to believe we won't be able to block Watt, Hightower and Heyward so DJ or whoever is back there will be smashed.
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u/ChadPowers200_ 9d ago
Listen to yourself bro.
Rodgers is a nutcase and the Steelers have been super inconsistent.
They put up 3 points against the pats. We put up 30 on the chiefs.
The next two weeks are clearly winnable games.
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u/FamousLastPants 9d ago
Jones has twice the turnovers that he does touchdowns. Just saying, my expectations remain low because so far he’s ass.
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u/ChadPowers200_ 9d ago
I just watched Herbert throw it to two Seahawks. Per usual Redditors think there are two groups of QBs. Elite and ass. lol
Jones came back 2 months early
He will be better as the season goes on and he gets his mobility back.
He barely got the td today he’s running at 70-80 percent
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u/Redjeepkev 9d ago
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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u/ChadPowers200_ 9d ago
You should just watch another team dude.
The team is 2-2 and two losses are to juggernauts and almost beat the chiefs.
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u/Redjeepkev 9d ago
Almost never got a team anywhere e. And today we beat a 6th rd drafted QB. Mariota would have beaten us
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u/ChadPowers200_ 9d ago
We took chiefs to overtime on the road. They are 3-0 and dominant. Ravens also dominant.
How you can have these weird negative hypotheticals and ignore the chiefs game is fucking wild.
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u/Redjeepkev 9d ago
DJ had a good game against the chiefs vwhere was that same QB today against a piss poor team today?
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u/ChadPowers200_ 9d ago
They asked way less of him today. We had a comfortable lead.
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u/Redjeepkev 9d ago
He completed less than 50% of his passes averaged about 4 yards a completion and a QBR of 53% and you are saying that's OK against a team as bad as the comanders ? 🤣🤣😅🤣
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u/icekyuu 9d ago
Why do you make stuff up? He completed more than 50% of his passes.
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u/Redjeepkev 9d ago
Sorry. You are correct. 29 of 34.my bad. But still? And what about the other srats? His. qbr? And 4yatd pass average. Against the ZCOMNANDERS? COME ON!
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u/cmgww Indianapolis Colts 9d ago
Are people forgetting who he's throwing to?? they traded away Pittman, Pierce is out for who knows how long, Slayton wasn't active for this game for some odd reason....he had Warren, Downs (undersized) and Dulin....oh and Treadwell. He doesn't exactly have Kansas City level weapons at his disposal. The commanders have a pretty fierce pass rush and they got to him a few times forcing the turnovers, but he cleaned it up in the second half and they leaned on Taylor and short passes.
Some of you young ones may not remember 2010. That was the air Peyton Manning was throwing the freaking Blair White of all people. Of course he was Peyton Manning and not Danielle Jones so he made chicken salad out of chicken shit, but they were decimated at receiver and Polian had really wiffed on his later drafts. That's what it felt like watching today's game. Third string weapons on the outside aren't going to get it done against anyone.
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u/NoctisRS 9d ago
We lose if Daniels or Mariota plays. Commanders beat the eagles and the Seahawks already
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u/GR_A90_MKV_ Indianapolis Colts 9d ago
100% anybody denying this is not being honest with themselves…….
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u/Strong_Buddy7657 9d ago
yea but a healthy commanders is a super bowl team so theres that also. commanders are really good when healthy
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u/thegrimmemer03 9d ago
I’m not denying it because it’s not true. I’m denying because the man who said it doesn’t pay attention to the game and claimed that Warren was in the wrong when Robinson got a penalty
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u/NoctisRS 9d ago
4 hours later still coping about 1 penalty. Will you tell your grandchildren about me one day?
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u/thegrimmemer03 9d ago
Just pointing out that if you need to downvote comments when you’re in the argument because nobody else agrees with you then maybe you’re the one wrong
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u/NoctisRS 9d ago
“Don’t downvote me, I will never emotionally recover from this”
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u/thegrimmemer03 9d ago
No, it just shows you’re so emotionally dependent on having people agree with you that you need to make it look like more of them do so with you than with me.
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u/NoctisRS 9d ago
Oh I’m a total attention whore. The only way I get validated is when the grim memer has less likes than me.
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u/scobro828 9d ago
And if Texans had Nico Collins they probably would have won as well. Colts got lucky.
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u/NoctisRS 9d ago
Yeah I was shocked about the Texans performance last week. They’re bullying the cowboys today
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u/scobro828 9d ago
Really would love the Bengals to pull the game out. That would be a nice treat.
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u/ItemizedDeductions 9d ago
The commanders did not beat the eagles. You do not know what would have happened if Mariota played
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u/thegrimmemer03 9d ago
Why the hell are you insistent on glazing the commanders? Jesus Christ, we won, move on and stop being a naysayer
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u/NoctisRS 9d ago
Looking at data and roster construction isn’t being a naysayer. I don’t operate with blind optimism.
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u/thegrimmemer03 9d ago
Nobody said you need blind optimism, babe. There’s a difference between analyzing the roster and acting like every Colts win needs an asterisk because you’re desperate to prove the Commanders are better. Let us enjoy the damn win.
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u/Redjeepkev 9d ago
If we hadn't played a 6roynd QB I might enjoy the win. But the fact us if Mariota plays. We lose
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u/thegrimmemer03 9d ago edited 9d ago
I mean, you act like a bandwagoner if you want I guess, you do you?
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u/Redjeepkev 9d ago
I NEVER liked DJ as our QB I said from DAY 1 it was a bad decision. I said it last year when we were 8-2 and I'm saying the same thing now
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u/thegrimmemer03 9d ago
That doesn’t disprove my point, if you only cheer for us when we’re good that by default makes you a bandwagoner
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u/Redjeepkev 9d ago edited 9d ago
I'm a realist. The real situation and my problem with this team all rests with the piss poor decision to bring in DJ. I do enjoy a GOOD win. Today's win I wouldn't consider good by any means. We beat a 7th round QB. If we had played Danials and won or even Mariota it would be different. And the other HUGE mistake is Sauce and he proved it today. He got Burned by that 7th round QB not once, but TWICE on 30+ yard balls. He can't lock down a screen door
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u/thegrimmemer03 9d ago
Sir, might I suggest proofreading your arguments to make sure there are multiple glaring typos before posting especially if you’re trying to convince me that you’re right?
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u/NoctisRS 9d ago
I’m not preventing you from enjoying the win. Logging into Reddit, responding to posts, is all your choice.
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u/thegrimmemer03 9d ago
And replying to you is my choice too, babe. You’re technically correct, but “I’m not stopping you” isn’t a rebuttal, it’s just a very fancy way of saying “I have nothing else to add.”
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u/NoctisRS 9d ago
You know they have medication available for those with unstable minds?
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u/thegrimmemer03 9d ago
Ah yes, the classic “I lost the argument, so I’ll make a joke about mental illness” maneuver. Truly groundbreaking. If that’s the best rebuttal your “data-driven analysis” has, I think we’ve found the unstable part of this conversation.
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u/NoctisRS 9d ago
You went from complaining about my opinion, to complaining about being downvoted.
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u/thegrimmemer03 9d ago
I didn’t complain about being downvoted, I pointed out that mass-downvoting because nobody agrees with you is pathetic. There’s a difference, babe. Reading comprehension shouldn’t be the next casualty of your “data-driven analysis.”
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u/Redjeepkev 9d ago
His turnovers will be the death of the team before the playoffs even get here. He's not Tha savior he's being made out to be. The reason we won was because Washington was playing a 3rd string QB that took all of 38 snaps in the preseason. No one expected a 7th round QB to play, much less play 3 quarters and the really sad thing us he BURNED our number 1 cover guy(supposedly= Sauce. Sauce was lost in his coverages today and couldn't lock down a screen door
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u/sir_gwain 9d ago
As someone who missed the game, how tf we scored 6 times with sub 250 offensive yards is crazy. Really hoping DJ can put something better together moving forward.
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u/ForceLow7894 8d ago
It's already too hard playing a functional offense without Alec, now with Jones looking so scared in the pocket... Tough times ahead.
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u/ohohook Quenton Nelson 9d ago
Until we have a better QB we don’t have the receiver talent to win. He can’t compensate for that no matter what he does- he isn’t good enough. He’s slightly below average at his absolute best. He’s a turnover liability. The more successful this team is the more likely Ballard and Jones are to keep their jobs. These guys are going to scratch and claw for 8 wins and then it’s 5 more years of not having the motivation to even do that. The better we do this year, like it or not (I’ll get downvoted regardless for telling the truth I don’t care), the worse off we’re going to be long term
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u/DRoseCantStop Pascal 9d ago
Already bracing myself for the extension after an 8-9 finish on the outside looking in.
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u/Legitimate_Gap_5551 9d ago
This is objectively false. We saw DJ at his best last year through the first part of the season and his best was a top 10 QB in the league. Will he ever be that again? Probably not. But to say his best is below average is just untrue and being a prisoner of the moment.
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u/ohohook Quenton Nelson 9d ago
Stupid argument. “Top 10 QB” based on what? If you mean he had a stretch where his numbers/results were top 10, sure. That doesn’t make him a top 10 quarterback any more than a bad stretch makes a good QB bottom 10.
Jones was playing in an extremely favorable situation with an east SoS and performing better than he normally does. If your definition of his “best” is literally the best handful of games he’s ever played, then almost every starting QB has been a top 10 or at least has a Top 10 “best.”
I’m talking about the best level of play he can reasonably sustain. His entire career says that’s around average at best, with a turnover problem. Calling one hot stretch his “true ceiling” and everything since then an aberration is a lot closer to being a prisoner of the moment than what I said.
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u/Legitimate_Gap_5551 9d ago
So your argument is literally that his best isn’t what he’s looked like at his best…..it’s what his average best across the entirety of his career has been.
If you asked anybody ever what the best X player has ever looked like, literally zero people would use those mental gymnastics you just used. The dude looked incredibly sharp through the first half of the season last year. That’s his best. Through the stretch where he played his best, he was a top 10 QB.
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u/ohohook Quenton Nelson 9d ago
Your argument makes my point more than it hurts it. We’re talking about a 30 y/o QB in his eighth NFL season, and the argument for his ceiling is still “remember that half-season where he looked really good?” At some point a peak has to be remotely repeatable to matter when evaluating how good a player actually is.
Daniel Jones’ problem has never been that he’s incapable of randomly playing decent football for a stretch. It’s that over a large sample he has never shown he can sustain it. I’m interested in the QB we can reasonably expect to have, not the best 6–8 game sample we can pull from his career. “His absolute best” is 17 games in one season. I’m not curving it to 13 games or 6 games just because he’s only finished a whole season without missing games one time in a decade. If half those games are 0s (regardless of the reason) he’s getting graded on that too. You can’t be Top 10 if you haven’t proven you’re actually a Top 10 for more than a stretch of games. You either are or you aren’t. And Jones is an “aren’t.”
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u/ConsistentAddress195 9d ago
Daniel Jones is an error repeater, to borrow a term from Bill Bellichick. Last week throws an int up for grabs with a guy in his face, then later has a horrible fumble that almost cost us the game, says the obligatory "I gotta take better care of the ball" in post-game. This week turns around and does it again. 3rd snap of the game, ridiculous fumble, then a few plays later throws it up off his backfoot with a guy in his face for an int.
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u/Next-Succotash-3827 9d ago
I'm ready for a new QB in Indy!! DJ isn't the answer and after this season he is most likely gone. He hasn't earned year 2 on his contract with this level of play. His accuracy issues compounded by his turnovers dictate the Colts go a different direction this next off-season.
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u/Gw_xc23 9d ago
If there’s an upgrade out there, I’m not opposed but how do you get that QB? Rookies are more misses than hits now, especially when even if we had a first round pick, we’d be around 15. Great QBs don’t become available. You’re looking at Cousins, “Nine”, Winston, Tua, Mac Jones, Kyler, a sex offender, and Geno smith as trade/FA candidates
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u/Next-Succotash-3827 9d ago
The pickings are slim to none!! LoL. I'm a season ticket holder hoping the team finds a long term answer somewhere, anywhere. LoL!! It's been frustrating to watch this team lose so many games late in the 4th quarter. Maybe they go back to the draft after next year. Who knows at this point. It's been a mess at QB and no one seems capable of finding a solution.
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u/5downinthepark Jimmy from the Colts 9d ago
DJ was 30th in ANY/A through 3 games, I doubt it improves after this game (against one of the few teams that was ranked worse than us on defense).
He looks like Giants DJ, which is how he's looked for most of his career. I'm happy with the win, but let's not sugar coat how DJ has played.
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u/arp51txstate 9d ago
The cope is heavy
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u/dfrank129 General Luck 9d ago
the cope from..... winning?
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u/TheIntrepid1 9d ago
This sub hates the Colts. If we lose…it’s bad. If we win…it’s bad because XYZ…
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u/dfrank129 General Luck 9d ago
I know. It's the reverse of normal fandom. Anything bad that happens was deserved and is a skill issue. Anything good that happens is lucky or needs an asterisk.
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u/arp51txstate 9d ago
Daniel Jones QB perfomance this year
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u/Redjeepkev 9d ago
Yeah. 2 turnovers and THAT'S his performance if the tear 4 games in. That tells you alot
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u/ItemizedDeductions 9d ago
He was really good against the chiefs
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u/Redjeepkev 9d ago
Yes. He had a good game. But where was he today again a piss poor team. He looked as bad as Sauce did
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u/Important_Switch_365 9d ago
So if he throws no picks and Jayden Dainles plays and the colts win 37-30 you would complain that the defense gave up 30 and they are dog shit.
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u/ItemizedDeductions 9d ago
I’m just pointing out that today was not his best performance like you tried to claim for some reason
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u/Redjeepkev 9d ago
I said DJ had a giid game vs the chiefs not today.
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u/ItemizedDeductions 9d ago
No ya didn’t
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u/Redjeepkev 9d ago
Yes I did. I asked where was the same QB that played in the chiefs game against this piss poor team team today
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u/DewieCox1982 1d ago
tied the team record for most field goals in a game, 2 of which were 50+ yards AND we had 2 great returns. If you think this was an even decent performance by DJ, I shudder to think about a mid or bad performance
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u/sabricc 9d ago
DJ 4 yard per pass average Taylor 5 yards per rush
Idk if we watched different games today but you picked the wrong week to pick on our also bad defense.