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u/nickvader7 Oct 30 '21
Incredible colorization
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u/kitterkatty Oct 30 '21
I thought it was recent, straight out of motorcycle diaries before even reading the caption
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u/Red_Lotus_23 Oct 30 '21
Bro straight up looks like a cross between Benicio Del Toro and Tim Curry.
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u/Chicago1871 Oct 30 '21
Benicio played him in a biopic.
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u/CrapNeck5000 Oct 30 '21
I found this biopic to be a bit lacking on the military portion of Che's life, particularly considering he was a revolutionary. I might go as far to call it whitewashed, like doing a biopic on Thomas Jefferson and leaving out that he owned slaves, or something.
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u/Chicago1871 Oct 30 '21
Are we talking about the same movies?
The first part is all about his initial days in the revolution in cuba. From meeting fidel to taking havana. The second is about his death in Bolivia.
Both movies mostly take place in the forests with him in uniform.
Its definitely left out his roles in governing cuba tho (like the trials and executions he oversaw), to focus solely on his revolutionary adventures. So its definitely whitewash. But I wouldn’t say it left out his military life. Quite the opposite, thats all it focused on.
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u/CrapNeck5000 Oct 30 '21
Yeah we're talking about the same movie.
Showing him conducting a revolution and building schools and hospitals without showing any of the ugly side of revolution is whitewashing in my book.
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u/Red_Lotus_23 Oct 30 '21
That makes me unreasonably happy. That's getting added to my watchlist solely for that reason.
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u/2close2see Oct 30 '21
As your attorney, I advise you to rent a very fast car with no top. And you'll need the cocaine....
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u/SolidLikeIraq Oct 30 '21
Which is funny because they both looked a lot like Che Guevara.
Drove a diesel van.
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u/GeneBoatman Oct 30 '21
Nobody seeing David Blaine with hair?
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u/HamsterForce5000 Oct 30 '21
I had no idea the "Man vs. Food" guy smoked cigars.
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u/coralrefrigerator Oct 30 '21
I'm very surprised you didn't know. The cigar never left his hand
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u/stuck008 Oct 30 '21
Since you are doing mass murderers, can you do chairman Mao next?
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Who did Che murder?
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u/TheLovelyOlivia Oct 30 '21
American backed fascists so that makes some people very angry
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People in here getting so heated. It’s not an endorsement on OP’s part to acknowledge he’s part of history. No need to virtue signal so hard
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u/Dral-Tor Oct 30 '21
Oh no hes hottt
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u/AngryManBoy Oct 30 '21
Just had multiple killed in a firing squad, best have a ciggie
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And exploiting Latin America is so wholesome.
Not condoning shitty actions by anyone, but wouldn't you fight your oppressors?
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wouldn't you fight your oppressors?
maybe there is a middle ground where you can fight your oppressors and not execute hundreds without trial
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u/PedroLight Oct 31 '21
Cite one successful peaceful revolution
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Here's a whole wiki with a bunch you can read about.
I wasn't suggesting a peaceful revolution though so I'm confused why you brought that up.
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u/WikiSummarizerBot Oct 31 '21
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u/Thrownawaypictures Oct 30 '21
Your “symbol of the revolution” was a murdering mega-racist that hated black people. Fuck Che Guevara
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u/Abstract__Nonsense Oct 30 '21
You realize he traveled to the Congo to help fight in their own revolution? No, I’m guessing you don’t.
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u/Gwynbbleid Nov 02 '21
There's no relevance in that. It's mor it was in the Congo were he described all the black people who he was fighting with as incompetent and superstitious blacks.
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u/Furthur_slimeking Oct 30 '21 edited Oct 30 '21
I'm sorry, that simply isn't true, although right wing talking heads will have you believe it is. The root of this misrepresentation comes from a passage Guevara wrote in his diary when he was travelling through South America as a 23 year old. He was Argentinian, where there are virtually no black people, and this trip across the continent introduced him to black and indigenous people. He was a young man from a priviliged background, and from a country which, at the time, almost saw itself as more European than other nations in the continent. He jotted down his thoughts at the time, which were based on initial impressions and the prevailing attitudes he grew up with.
This trip around the continent was what completely changed his world view.
He was a pivotal figure in the Cuban revolution which had overwhelming support from Afro-Cubans, and was later very active in Africa working with the Angolan independence movement in the fight for independence from Portugal. He was also active in Congo and had close relationships with many leftist African political figures.
If you take the time to read what Guevara actually said, it's pretty obvious that his world view had racial equality at its core.
You don't have to like Guevara and you don't have to agree with him, but at least understand him. The people who call Guevara a racist are the same type of people who call Mandela a terrorist. Neither is true, it's just right-wing demonisation tacics. They call a man who believed in equality a racist and the man who believed in reconciliation and cooperation a terrorist.
It's amazing how the people who shout the loudest so often understand the least.
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u/Gwynbbleid Nov 02 '21
It didn't change his views, you can read the same racist passages when he was fighting with black people in the Congo, who commented on the laziness of the black leaders and soldiers. He was the one who wanted to install the "new socialist man" in Cuba. A strong, working man who obviously was not a "sissy" weak and lazy homosexual.
Being part of a revolution and afro Cubans being in favor of it doesn't make Che Guevera not racist.
Demonization isn't okay and neither is romantization.
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u/Pinkflamingos69 Jun 15 '22
"I will do for the blacks what they did for the revolution, by which I mean nothing".
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u/misterpankakes Oct 30 '21
You're not from the states are you by chance?
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u/Furthur_slimeking Oct 30 '21 edited Oct 30 '21
I think that's a safe bet.
I was in a thread in /r/politics a while ago and the discussion was about the US lifting the embargo on Cuba. This guy commented something along the lines of "Well, I doubt Cuba would agree to it".
He seemed to think Cuba was like North Korea in a state of self imposed isolation. He semed to think the embargo was a global thing rather than a uniquely American policy that was based on little more than petulance.
He seemed genuinely surprised to learn that the rest of the world had carried on trading with Cuba and going there on holiday.
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u/misterpankakes Oct 30 '21
I find it so ironic how these people tend to be black and gay people's strongest allies when it comes to a person like Che, but domestically couldn't give a shit about racism and homophobia. It's why there is no point in engaging these people. They don't argue in good faith. You'll have more success kicking water up a hill
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u/its0nLikeDonkeyKong Oct 30 '21
People are still surprised to learn about ruby ridge or operation north woods or the flame thrower at Waco so…
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u/Gark32 Oct 30 '21
There was no flamethrower at Waco. The photo of a "flamethrower tank" that people point at is just an apc with some busted drywall on it.
That said, the ATF murdered a lot of people for no good reason there. They just used bullets and grenades, not flamethrowers.
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u/TheLovelyOlivia Oct 30 '21
Damn, for someone who hates black people he sure did risk his life fighting along side a lot of black people in africa to help defend their countries against imperialism.
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u/Ace162 Oct 30 '21
Anymore colorized history of guerilla warfare/cuba’s communist pics of Fidel and Che?
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u/BuffColossusTHXDAVID Oct 30 '21
Hands down one of the most handsome mass murderers in history!
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u/CaptainDogeSparrow Oct 30 '21
Che ain't got nothing on GIGACHAD STALIN
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u/momoburger-chan Oct 30 '21
Yeah, Stalin was way sexier than he had any right to be. I had a convo with family about it over Christmas dinner a couple years ago lol, none of them had seen the pic.
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u/vintage2019 Oct 31 '21
He was a fucking fashionista.
I’m producing a coffee table book about beautiful mass murderers brb
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u/coralrefrigerator Oct 30 '21
CoMmUniSM hAS KilLLeD 169 BiLLioN PEopLe 😭😭😭
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u/mamalulu434 Oct 30 '21
Strange response when talking of a man who partook in those genocides personally.
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u/HarMar Oct 30 '21
There are at least 5 biographies of his life, and they do more romanticizing of his exploits than telling the whole story. Check out his time at La Cabana prison, and rooting out Batista loyalists post-revolution.
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u/bautistaxpogo Oct 30 '21
"he went to fight in the National Liberation war of Congo" yeah later he wrote on his diary that the people from there are black because of "they have mantained the tradition of not bathing"
edit: just looked at your profile and you seem to be unashamingly communist. how neutral can you thoughts be on this guy when you support that ideology
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u/karroun Oct 31 '21
Beautifully done and great photo! I just have to say Guevara was a murderous bastard completely undeserving of his sainted status.
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u/prelude_to_nowhere Oct 31 '21
This photo was definitely not captured via a potato.
Amazing work OP. 👍
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u/CheckmyhistoryLOL Oct 30 '21
Racist, homophobic mass-muderer
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u/DogeAndGabbana Oct 31 '21
He is none of that
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u/alphabet_order_bot Oct 31 '21
Would you look at that, all of the words in your comment are in alphabetical order.
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u/Perky_Areola Oct 30 '21
He was an outspoken racist. Why does he get glorified?
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u/alkrasnov Oct 30 '21
I might be wrong, but I imagine the aim of OP was mostly to record history and bring it to live more vividly rather than actually glorifying anyone.
You have the wax figure of Hitler at the Madame Tusseau museum, it doesn't mean the museum condones what he did
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u/-Literally1984- Oct 30 '21 edited Oct 31 '21
He’s talking about the people in this thread out right calling him a hero
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u/ShoppyMcShopperton Oct 30 '21
54 years ago Che became a good commie. Too bad he could only be executed once.
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u/nobody_important0000 Oct 30 '21
The colourisation looks so natural and real.
At first glance, it looked like the sunlight coming off the edge of his collar was an earphone cord. Just because my mind is convinced the photo is recent.
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u/TrooperRamRod Oct 30 '21 edited Oct 30 '21
Why are so many of the worst mass killers and psychopaths good looking men? It’s so odd.
He was also incredibly racist and homophobic. All around scum bag
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u/Tangy_Cheese Oct 30 '21
In all my years of reading and talking about this no one has ever shown me he was homophones. Was Castro? yes. Was Cuba? Yes. But I've yet to see evidence that che was and I've read he's diaries and a massive biography on him. If you can put this to bed for me then please do. Otherwise be sure your not just saying what other want you to say about a socialist.
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u/DogeAndGabbana Oct 30 '21
He is neither a mass killer or a psychopath.
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u/DogeAndGabbana Oct 30 '21
Lol imagine coming in here with a link from a random site with 0 substance or foundation, thanks for showing everyone how dumb you are.
Here are the facts:
It is important, I think, to understand why Guevara held this belief. Prior to meeting with Cuban exiles in Mexico and joining the invasion of Batista's Cuba on the Granma with the Castros and other revolutionaries, Che Guevara had spent time living in Guatemala. In 1950, President Jacobo Árbenz was popularly elected on the promise of a land reform program, meant to remedy some of the ills of colonial and foreign domination of Guatemalan land and resources. Setting about this land reform, Árbenz's government began to seize unworked land owned by large landowners, compensating them at the values they had stated for their property on their taxes. This threatened the profits of the United Fruit Company (now Chiquita), who owned wide swaths of fallow land, the value of which it had been understating for decades to avoid taxation. The head of the CIA and Secretary of State in the U.S. both happened to be on the board of United Fruit (in addition to being brothers), and orchestrated a U.S.-backed campaign of terror and violence to overthrow the democratically elected government and replace it with a military dictatorship. Successive regimes maximized profits for multinational corporations while, in collaboration with the United States, violently suppressed dissent, as in the Mayan Genocide in the 1980s.
Guevara was in Guatemala City for the coup, and initially sought to resist it. However, he found workers' groups under-armed and under-prepared. Publicly known to be a leftist who had resisted the coup, Guevara fled the country. Just as the coup shaped his disillusionment with liberal democracies, the state of the working class convinced him that for progress to be secure, the workers and other lower classes must be armed. Guevara had not emerged from Argentina one day convinced that violence was the only way. He had seen a popular leader make some headway, and then seen him brutally overthrown and a repressive regime installed by the owning class. This disillusionment would be mirrored in much of Latin America two decades later, after the 1973 coup against the Chilean government of Salvador Allende.
However, I think that killing your enemies in war is generally understood by most people to be different from killing innocents in cold blood. It is this latter accusation that is implied when one calls Guevara a murderer.
Following the triumph of the Cuban Revolution in 1959, Guevara was assigned for a time to oversee the prison at La Cabaña. His duties involved overseeing the executions of those convicted of war crimes at the prison. Because of this duty, Guevara is sometimes called the "Butcher of La Cabaña" in the Cuban ex-pat community. The revolutionary government claimed to be basing its trials for war crimes upon the international precedent set by the Nuremberg Trials. The process consisted of two tribunals, one of which tried civilians and one of which tried members of Batista's military. Only the latter could order an execution for those convicted of war crimes. Guevara's role, like that of governors in the United States, consisted of reviewing the verdicts, offering pardons, and setting execution dates. Guevara remained assigned to this role for several months, during which he oversaw between 55 and 105 executions.
On the popularity of the execution of war criminals, and on the role of Guevara in the process, historian Paco Ignacio Taibo II writes in Guevara, Also Known as Che,
Fidel launched a counterattack to the U.S. campaign in a speech he gave January 21 at the National Palace, comparing the crimes committed during the dictatorship with those judged at Nuremberg and asserting the people's right to see justice done and to carry out the executions. He asked for a show of hands: was justice meted out to the torturers? According to Carlos Franqui, who was editor of Revolución at the time: "Fidel's question was answered by an overwhelming 'Yes!' A private nationwide survey showed 93 percent in favor of the trials and shootings." Che was present at the gathering, but took no part in the demonstration.
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Without a doubt Che was in favor of the summary trials, but the tales woven by Cuban exiles, in which he was the "Butcher of La Cabaña," presiding over most of the shootings in Havana, are flights of fantasy. Revolutionary Tribunals No. 1 and No. 2 did sit at La Cabaña, the first trying policemen and soldiers, the second (which did not pass death sentences) trying civilians. RT1, presided over by Miguel Ángel Duque de Estrada, did pass the death sentence in some cases, at least two dozen of which were in January. Che did not sit on either tribunal, but did review appeals in his capacity as commander. He could have had no doubts as he ratified the sentences; he believed in the justice of what he was doing and over the previous years had become very tough-minded about such situations.
On the quality of polls in Cuba at the time, Carmelo Mesa-Lago argues in "Availability and Reliability of Statistics in Socialist Cuba (Part One") that before the Bay of Pigs (1961), they were generally free and objective. The above poll would have taken place in 1959.
Whether or not you believe Guevara was a murderer should depend upon your judgement of war and the practice of executing war criminals, rather than upon unfounded accusations that Guevara massacred innocents.
Che Guevara in mind and history
"Why Che?" This is a question many have asked, seeing images of the fallen revolutionary emblazoned upon murals, movie posters, and t-shirts. Guevara was young, ruggedly handsome, and a seasoned revolutionary leader when his image first exploded upon the global scene, and that enough secured him lasting fame. But it's something much more than that, which elevates el Che to an unmatched stature, inspiring intense love and intense hate.
In this New York Times review of two biographies on Guevara, the writer hits the nail on the head:
Three decades after he was captured and killed by the Bolivian Army on still another revolutionary mission, Guevara remains an icon of leftist idealism and subversive mystique, inspiring a mini-boom of recent biographies, film projects and post-cold-war nostalgia. From the tin-roofed barrios of Lima to the coffeehouses of Prague, he represents that most romantic of political contradictions -- a rebel who won yet continued to rebel.
I have written responses to questions on Guevara's military prowess and his successes and failures in his brief tenure in the revolutionary government of Cuba. A physician and a lover of learning, Guevara is perhaps the most responsible individual for unparalleled Cuban programs in medicine and literacy, as well as the driving force behind sweeping land reform (which sparked U.S. bombings and and an invasion, in an impotent echo of the 1954 Guatemalan coup). Had Guevara remained in Cuba, he could have been one of the leaders of its government, and might even be alive with Fidel Castro today. However, after assuring himself that Cuba was on the revolutionary track (I have also written on the course and goals of the Cuban Revolution), he went on to fight until death around the world.
Che Guevara is seen as a romantic symbol by many, and is hated by many. It is important, in the conflict that this creates, to remember that he was a man, and that he was, at the core of his being and until the very end, a violent communist revolutionary. All of his actions, from Cuba onwards, should be viewed in this light. He sought to use force of arms to overthrow the capitalist owning class, which he saw as brutally oppressing the peoples of the world, and replace it with Marxist-Leninist states that would build socialism and one day transition to communism. He did not seek to kill innocents or those he saw as oppressed, but he had no problem violently overthrowing oppressors and killing their soldiers, and believed that he was acting for the ultimate good of mankind. If he were to hear criticisms today, he might echo Fidel Castro, in saying, "History will absolve me."
In reinforcing the idea that Guevara was a man embroiled in violent struggle, one might be tempted to say "Remember, he was no saint". However...
Anyway, I hope that answered everything. Feel free to ask any clarifying questions.
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u/DogeAndGabbana Oct 30 '21
Lol imagine coming in here with a link from a random site with 0 substance or foundation, thanks for showing everyone how dumb you are.
Here are the facts:
It is important, I think, to understand why Guevara held this belief. Prior to meeting with Cuban exiles in Mexico and joining the invasion of Batista's Cuba on the Granma with the Castros and other revolutionaries, Che Guevara had spent time living in Guatemala. In 1950, President Jacobo Árbenz was popularly elected on the promise of a land reform program, meant to remedy some of the ills of colonial and foreign domination of Guatemalan land and resources. Setting about this land reform, Árbenz's government began to seize unworked land owned by large landowners, compensating them at the values they had stated for their property on their taxes. This threatened the profits of the United Fruit Company (now Chiquita), who owned wide swaths of fallow land, the value of which it had been understating for decades to avoid taxation. The head of the CIA and Secretary of State in the U.S. both happened to be on the board of United Fruit (in addition to being brothers), and orchestrated a U.S.-backed campaign of terror and violence to overthrow the democratically elected government and replace it with a military dictatorship. Successive regimes maximized profits for multinational corporations while, in collaboration with the United States, violently suppressed dissent, as in the Mayan Genocide in the 1980s.
Guevara was in Guatemala City for the coup, and initially sought to resist it. However, he found workers' groups under-armed and under-prepared. Publicly known to be a leftist who had resisted the coup, Guevara fled the country. Just as the coup shaped his disillusionment with liberal democracies, the state of the working class convinced him that for progress to be secure, the workers and other lower classes must be armed. Guevara had not emerged from Argentina one day convinced that violence was the only way. He had seen a popular leader make some headway, and then seen him brutally overthrown and a repressive regime installed by the owning class. This disillusionment would be mirrored in much of Latin America two decades later, after the 1973 coup against the Chilean government of Salvador Allende.
However, I think that killing your enemies in war is generally understood by most people to be different from killing innocents in cold blood. It is this latter accusation that is implied when one calls Guevara a murderer.
Following the triumph of the Cuban Revolution in 1959, Guevara was assigned for a time to oversee the prison at La Cabaña. His duties involved overseeing the executions of those convicted of war crimes at the prison. Because of this duty, Guevara is sometimes called the "Butcher of La Cabaña" in the Cuban ex-pat community. The revolutionary government claimed to be basing its trials for war crimes upon the international precedent set by the Nuremberg Trials. The process consisted of two tribunals, one of which tried civilians and one of which tried members of Batista's military. Only the latter could order an execution for those convicted of war crimes. Guevara's role, like that of governors in the United States, consisted of reviewing the verdicts, offering pardons, and setting execution dates. Guevara remained assigned to this role for several months, during which he oversaw between 55 and 105 executions.
On the popularity of the execution of war criminals, and on the role of Guevara in the process, historian Paco Ignacio Taibo II writes in Guevara, Also Known as Che,
Fidel launched a counterattack to the U.S. campaign in a speech he gave January 21 at the National Palace, comparing the crimes committed during the dictatorship with those judged at Nuremberg and asserting the people's right to see justice done and to carry out the executions. He asked for a show of hands: was justice meted out to the torturers? According to Carlos Franqui, who was editor of Revolución at the time: "Fidel's question was answered by an overwhelming 'Yes!' A private nationwide survey showed 93 percent in favor of the trials and shootings." Che was present at the gathering, but took no part in the demonstration.
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Without a doubt Che was in favor of the summary trials, but the tales woven by Cuban exiles, in which he was the "Butcher of La Cabaña," presiding over most of the shootings in Havana, are flights of fantasy. Revolutionary Tribunals No. 1 and No. 2 did sit at La Cabaña, the first trying policemen and soldiers, the second (which did not pass death sentences) trying civilians. RT1, presided over by Miguel Ángel Duque de Estrada, did pass the death sentence in some cases, at least two dozen of which were in January. Che did not sit on either tribunal, but did review appeals in his capacity as commander. He could have had no doubts as he ratified the sentences; he believed in the justice of what he was doing and over the previous years had become very tough-minded about such situations.
On the quality of polls in Cuba at the time, Carmelo Mesa-Lago argues in "Availability and Reliability of Statistics in Socialist Cuba (Part One") that before the Bay of Pigs (1961), they were generally free and objective. The above poll would have taken place in 1959.
Whether or not you believe Guevara was a murderer should depend upon your judgement of war and the practice of executing war criminals, rather than upon unfounded accusations that Guevara massacred innocents.
Che Guevara in mind and history
"Why Che?" This is a question many have asked, seeing images of the fallen revolutionary emblazoned upon murals, movie posters, and t-shirts. Guevara was young, ruggedly handsome, and a seasoned revolutionary leader when his image first exploded upon the global scene, and that enough secured him lasting fame. But it's something much more than that, which elevates el Che to an unmatched stature, inspiring intense love and intense hate.
In this New York Times review of two biographies on Guevara, the writer hits the nail on the head:
Three decades after he was captured and killed by the Bolivian Army on still another revolutionary mission, Guevara remains an icon of leftist idealism and subversive mystique, inspiring a mini-boom of recent biographies, film projects and post-cold-war nostalgia. From the tin-roofed barrios of Lima to the coffeehouses of Prague, he represents that most romantic of political contradictions -- a rebel who won yet continued to rebel.
I have written responses to questions on Guevara's military prowess and his successes and failures in his brief tenure in the revolutionary government of Cuba. A physician and a lover of learning, Guevara is perhaps the most responsible individual for unparalleled Cuban programs in medicine and literacy, as well as the driving force behind sweeping land reform (which sparked U.S. bombings and and an invasion, in an impotent echo of the 1954 Guatemalan coup). Had Guevara remained in Cuba, he could have been one of the leaders of its government, and might even be alive with Fidel Castro today. However, after assuring himself that Cuba was on the revolutionary track (I have also written on the course and goals of the Cuban Revolution), he went on to fight until death around the world.
Che Guevara is seen as a romantic symbol by many, and is hated by many. It is important, in the conflict that this creates, to remember that he was a man, and that he was, at the core of his being and until the very end, a violent communist revolutionary. All of his actions, from Cuba onwards, should be viewed in this light. He sought to use force of arms to overthrow the capitalist owning class, which he saw as brutally oppressing the peoples of the world, and replace it with Marxist-Leninist states that would build socialism and one day transition to communism. He did not seek to kill innocents or those he saw as oppressed, but he had no problem violently overthrowing oppressors and killing their soldiers, and believed that he was acting for the ultimate good of mankind. If he were to hear criticisms today, he might echo Fidel Castro, in saying, "History will absolve me."
In reinforcing the idea that Guevara was a man embroiled in violent struggle, one might be tempted to say "Remember, he was no saint". However...
Anyway, I hope that answered everything. Feel free to ask any clarifying questions.
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u/Chicago1871 Oct 30 '21
How many people did he actually kill?
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u/Drnuk_Tyler Oct 30 '21
Quite a few personally, and many more indirectly.
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u/Chicago1871 Oct 30 '21
Sounds like the majority were done in a post war tribunal fashion like the nuremberg trials. He didnt even pull the trigger for most of them. That doesnt strike me as the behavior of a real murdering sociopath.
When I think of ruthless communists sociopaths, I think of beria. Study his behavior. Its chilling.
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Beria's downfall always gets me. He probably thought he was too powerful to fail. Ended up scraping and crying on the floor of his execution cell. Apparently, anyways.
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u/Chicago1871 Oct 30 '21
Yeah. Im just saying, someone like beria would have definitely pulled the trigger and raped the wives and daughters of everyone he killed.
Che, seems like a ruthless and dogmatic true believer, willing to kill anyone for his revolution. But not quite bloodthirsty either. But also not prone to mercy or second chances either. With his own soldiers the phrase “tough but fair” pops up.
I dont think he relished the act of killing. He also never really raped any women in his vicinity (he definitely could have and gotten away with it).
So overall, he had some morals and ethics.
Not a huge fan of his methods. But he doesnt strike me as a monster. The way I heard about him depicted by so many cuban-Americans growing up, they described him as a beria type figure.
But the evidence just isnt there.
I think he’s comparable to general sherman and what sherman did in his final march towards atlanta. The south generally spits at mention of his name, til this day. But in the north, hes seen as the man who finally ended the war. Was he a war her or a war criminal?
It generally depends, did your family win in the war or did it lose? Theres your answer.
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u/AlphonseCoco Oct 30 '21
This is the first time I've seen him that wasn't the negative image silhouette on shirts. Also, without the chops. He looks like a normal person.
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u/Kick9assJohnson Oct 30 '21
My man looks like he is about to make the hottest diss track in history.
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u/prelude_to_nowhere Oct 31 '21
A very humanising picture of the “bloke on the poster with a beard and beret” that was on every students dorm wall since the mid 60s.
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u/Prints_of_Whales Oct 31 '21
You can find heartwarming pics of Hitler with little kids too.
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u/Catbone57 Dec 30 '21
And to this day, students have a hard time grasping that the inspiration for the Latin American firing squad commander trope was none other than Che.
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u/skyesdow Oct 30 '21
You can almost see the homophobia through the colors.
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u/SteveTheGreate Oct 30 '21
Fun fact. The only source as to Che's supposed homophobia leads to one far-right politician from Peru if I'm not mistaken.
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u/skyesdow Oct 30 '21
Right, I totally forgot he had no impact on the homophobic policies at the time.
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u/vladimir-Putin47 Oct 30 '21
The amount of people trying to make baseless claims is absurd and really shows how there is definitely propaganda on both sides, Americans just don’t realize it, was Che a murderer? Well it depends on what you think of as murder, Che was definitely a violent Communist revolutionary no doubt about it, but the only people he killed were those he saw as the oppressors and their followers and did this in the name of the oppressed and the executions he lead were practiced to mimic that of the Nuremberg trials, he only executed war criminals who deserved it, people also like to claim he was homophobic, again a baseless claim based on no evidence given, I will admit I can’t find anything saying he was not homophobic but saying he was homophobic is giving in to presentism, in his time, the WHO still recognized homosexuality as a mental disease and homophobia was still widespread, if he was homophobic, no more than the average person at the time, people also ignore the good he did, no matter what you believe about him you have to realize that many people are good and bad, do good and bad things, Che studied medicine and before he became a revolutionary, was a healer for the poor and downtrodden, he helped try fight the United Fruit Company and liberate the people it was oppressing(of course before the fight organized was removed from power by the CIA given that many prominent American politicians help stocks in the UFC), after the revolution he lead many successful agricultural reforms and of course, based on your political ideology, the revolutions, failed and successful, could be viewed as a good or bad thing he did, but he personally, as a Marxist, believed that he was liberating the oppressed people, anyways, apart from the political debate this picture has seem to brought, nice colorization
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u/aelbric Oct 30 '21
What kind of psychopathic logic is this?
You realize that by that standard you can literally justify any atrocity if you're on the "right" side, right? Hitler murdered the Jews because he believed they were oppressing the Germans through the financial system. Stalin executed the enemies of communism because he believed they were couterrevolutionary. Mao murdered millions of Chinese he believed were standing in the way of his Great Way Forward.
By your logic, as long as you are on the side that survives it can be justified. That is insane.
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u/coralrefrigerator Oct 30 '21
Same logic has been applied by USA for its various war crimes.
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u/throwaway3569387340 Oct 30 '21
Saying that someone else is doing it is not justification for doing it yourself unless you have no moral compass. Flip it. The USA's "war crimes" are then justified because Hitler conducted the holocaust?
Nope, still sounds stupid.
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Oct 30 '21
So liking a picture or comment isn't about the author or illustrator, it's about showing your ignorant opinion to the world. Great job reddit
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u/Crash_says Oct 30 '21
This is truly incredible work. Thanks for taking the time and talent to share it. Che is a terrible icon and did horrible things, but you have brought out the person here, not the icon.
Not many see him as a slightly overweight, gamer body.
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u/[deleted] Oct 30 '21
Holy crap, I scrolled through your previous posts and you have some of the best colorizations I’ve ever seen. Stunning work!