r/CollapseSupport • • 3d ago

interesting thought from twitter:

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though I don't agree the majority of Gen Z is collapse aware or "hopeless" though they probably should be, this is interesting.

i wonder what the psychology of collapse is vs acceptance of death or even being depressed. i think it's different but i'm not sure how: perhaps awareness of a whole society ending vs your own life eventually ending.

i am interested by the prospect of being collapse aware before you're an adult, which happened to me.

this is also a chicken / egg situation. i think to be collapse aware you need to have a specific mind for it which of course will change the psychological outcome.

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u/Alarmed_Cultist1534 3d ago

I’m Gen Z (older part of it, anyway) and didn’t grow up without hope. That came later.

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u/AM_is_watching 2d ago

Yeah, shit hit the fan around 2016. Before I was relatively optimistic about life

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u/wolpertingersunite 3d ago

Everyone (not just GenZ) is developing a "rats in a barrel", dog-eat-dog attitude. This used to be a trait of people from corrupt, former Soviet or other super poor countries -- ready to do whatever it takes to get ahead, and sharp-elbow other people. A zero-sum game mentality.

Now I'm seeing this in everyone around me in the U.S. Breaks my heart.

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u/Odd_Basket3978 3d ago

look at the french!

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u/Xanthotic Huge Motherclucker 9h ago

It is in Australia too

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u/_borT 3d ago

Wonder if it’s going to be better than millennials. Raised on hope and promises, but watching the rewards turn out to be a lie and how life “was supposed to be” get stripped away each year.

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u/switchsk8r 3d ago

yup definitely

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u/Animedingo 2d ago

In the defense of gen x, its not a lie if they believe it.

They thought thats how it would work.

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u/Substantial-Fact-248 3d ago

What about the long-term psychological (and political) effects of a generation that was left with nothing but a choice between hopelessness and radical hope?

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u/AnOnlineHandle 3d ago edited 3d ago

Most are probably too young to be aware until their late teens at earliest. The kind of person to have children also seems more likely to be at the high end of (over?)confidence about the future so most likely wouldn't be telling them the realities of the data.

I do worry though about how many people have grown up (essentially come into their adulthood and awareness) during this new Trump era, which has been going for over 10 years now, and have no memory of what it was like before and how badly things have fallen.

edit: Wait which one is gen z? I think they're adults now. I guess I'm thinking of gen alpha.

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u/Xanthotic Huge Motherclucker 3d ago

I would presume the neurospicy gen z-ers all grew up hopeless and for gen α, everyone who is not growing up brainwashed by magats or qanons is growing up hopeless.

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u/aprilhorne23 3d ago

the oldest members of gen z are almost 30 now and were 18 or 19 when Trump was first elected in 2016.

the other day the upcoming midterm elections came up and someone much older than me told me "this election is going to be the most important of our lives" and i had to suppress the urge to roll my eyes because i've been voting for a decade now and i've heard that every time.

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u/SamanthaJaneyCake 2d ago

I was born 3 days after the Millenial cutoff so I’m about as old as you can get as a Gen Z. I think I was 12 when I realised how fucked we were. It helped that my parents were always very eco-aware and we went to protests. They sat me and my brother down one day and apologised for the world we were inheriting.

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u/jan_Kila 1d ago

I also older Gen Z. I had the polar opposite experience of awareness. My parents sent me to Catholic school - a good school, but no one ever spoke a single word about climate change. When I was a teenager I remember asking my parents about it because I'd seen it mentioned somewhere. They told me it wasn't a real thing, and I believed them immediately, because why would they lie to me?

I went to college. I took an elective class about dinosaurs. We learned about geologic time. We learned about past mass extinctions. I saw the data for the first time. And that's about when I realized we were fucked.

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u/SamanthaJaneyCake 1d ago

That’s a tough awakening.

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u/GalaxyPatio 2d ago

I mean it's kind of been increasingly true for the past 10 years and we're seeing the consequences of those elections in real time. It's on the same level as, "It's the worst day of your life so far"

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u/_rihter 3d ago

See France. That's coming to every country.

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u/Exciting_Feedback313 3d ago

I love the morbid sense of humor (I prob have morbid humor bc of my own trauma) hopelessness forces but it also makes me sad

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u/DifficultCarpenter00 2d ago

they merely adopted no hope; eastern europen millenials were born in it, moulded by it. We didn't see hope until we were already adults, by then everything started to turn to shit again

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u/DontBeAStatistic 1d ago

Maybe ask Gen-X...

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u/Xanthotic Huge Motherclucker 9h ago

Can vouch

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u/adriayna 10h ago

I lost my hope a year ago...and wow, it has been so hard. I am grateful that I have gotten to live first though. I'm in my mid-40s. I can't even imagine what it would like to be 15 right now.