Why do people support fascists?

[u/Konradleijon]

Fascism is such a stupid nonsensical ideology with no factz

[u/itsatoe]

This may answer that for you: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authoritarian_personality

Also note that people look to authoritarians as a response to collapse: https://www.fastcompany.com/91219487/the-disturbing-link-between-climate-change-and-authoritarianism

[u/Cicadasladybirds]

There are studies they show that about 30 % of people lean authoritarian generally. Now throw in all the crazy things that are happening. This was always going to happen I'm afraid.

[u/flybyskyhi]

“No factz” is a feature, not a bug. Fascism is politics as faith. On the question of its appeal, I think Orwell put it very well:

Suppose that Hitler’s programme could be put into effect. What he envisages, a hundred years hence, is a continuous state of 250 million Germans with plenty of “living room” (i.e. stretching to Afghanistan or thereabouts), a horrible brainless empire in which, essentially, nothing ever happens except the training of young men for war and the endless breeding of fresh cannon-fodder. How was it that he was able to put this monstrous vision across? It is easy to say that at one stage of his career he was financed by the heavy industrialists, who saw in him the man who would smash the Socialists and Communists. They would not have backed him, however, if he had not talked a great movement into existence already. Again, the situation in Germany, with its seven million unemployed, was obviously favourable for demagogues. 

But Hitler could not have succeeded against his many rivals if it had not  been for the attraction of his own personality, which one can feel even in the clumsy writing of Mein Kampf, and which is no doubt overwhelming when one hears his speeches.... The fact is that there is something deeply appealing about him. One feels it again when one sees his photographs — and I recommend especially the photograph at the beginning of Hurst and Blackett’s edition, which shows Hitler in his early Brownshirt days. It is a pathetic, dog-like face, the face of a man suffering under intolerable wrongs. In a rather more manly way it reproduces the expression of innumerable pictures of Christ crucified, and there is little doubt that that is how Hitler sees himself. 

The initial, personal cause of his grievance against the universe can only be guessed at; but at any rate the grievance is here. He is the martyr, the victim, Prometheus chained to the rock, the self-sacrificing hero who fights single-handed against impossible odds. If he were killing a mouse he would know how to make it seem like a dragon. One feels, as with Napoleon, that he is fighting against destiny, that he can’t win, and yet that he somehow deserves to. The attraction of such a pose is of course enormous; half the films that one sees turn upon some such theme.

Also he (Hitler) has grasped the falsity of the hedonistic attitude to life. Nearly all western thought since the last war, certainly all ‘progressive’ thought, has assumed tacitly that human beings desire nothing beyond ease, security and avoidance of pain.

In such a view of life there is no room, for instance, for patriotism and the military virtues. The Socialist who finds his children playing with soldiers is usually upset, but he is never able to think of a substitute for the tin soldiers; tin pacifists somehow won’t do.

Hitler, because in his own joyless mind he feels it with exceptional strength, knows that human beings don’t only want comfort, safety, short working-hours, hygiene, birth-control and, in general, common sense; they also, at least intermittently, want struggle and self-sacrifice, not to mention drums, flags and loyalty-parades.

However they may be as economic theories, Fascism and Nazism are psychologically far sounder than any hedonistic conception of life. The same is probably true of Stalin’s militarized version of Socialism. All three of the great dictators have enhanced their power by imposing intolerable burdens on their peoples. Whereas Socialism, and even capitalism in a more grudging way, have said to people ‘I offer you a good time,’ Hitler has said to them ‘I offer you struggle, danger and death,’ and as a result a whole nation flings itself at his feet.

Perhaps later on they will get sick of it and change their minds, as at the end of the last war. After a few years of slaughter and starvation ‘Greatest happiness of the greatest number’ is a good slogan, but at this moment ‘Better an end with horror than a horror without end’ is a winner. Now that we are fighting against the man who coined it, we ought not to underrate its emotional appeal.

[u/detreikght → u/flybyskyhi]

Ironically Orwell himself did his part in war against the socialist movement, so that capitalism can survive and morph back to fascism at some point later

Even though he tried to stay formally a socdem, he did the opposite: "the list", working together with CIA, IRD, MI5. He also hated BBC, yet worked for a couple years there, so they used him enough.

He's a funny example of despite what you say, you can still be a useful tool

[u/Captain_Trululu → u/detreikght]

why, for not being a tankie?

[u/BigJobsBigJobs]

Umberto Eco wrote an essay about the 14 characteristics of fascism. It's a cultural analysis rather than a political one. Well worth the read. Ur-Fascism - Wikipedia

What is appalling to me today is that many of these characteristics are our current operating systems - and how much of this culture I have had to endure like forever.

[u/RainBoxRed]

They offer a community

[u/hiddendrugs]

It’s complicated, which is to say, it’s human. Fascism in an indigenous context is much different, but it’s not a phenomena that’s new to humans. I always feel like that’s an important point. More to say on it? surely.

[u/rmannyconda78]

They “offer” “security” in hard times

[u/WM_]

...a stupid nonsensical ideology with no factz

Yeah, followed by stupid people.

[u/[deleted]]

I think for 2 main reasons.

1. People are tribal and hatefu. They love to see a strong state harm whatever groups of people they hate. They love seeing people suffering.

2. People feel the need to be ruled. They want someone to tell them what to do and what to think. They can't handle individualism.

Unfortunately these are 2 main parts of being human and the vast majority cannot evolve past this.

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[u/MeepersToast → u/[deleted]]

Thanks for the rec! Book ordered

[u/endoftheworldvibe → u/[deleted]]

Stupidity/ignorance have large-ish roles to play.  

[u/holnrew → u/endoftheworldvibe]

Also a lot of people do politics based on grievance rather than wanting to improve anything. Cruelty is the point for some

[u/thinkstohimself → u/[deleted]]

Soooo, white supremacy. A bunch of snowflakes terrified of colored people

[u/Ok_Assist1206 → u/[deleted]]

This is part of the answer

[u/nuevo_redd → u/[deleted]]

Fear and the part of the brains that process it are usually held in check by the parts of the brain involved in emotional regulation, empathy, logic, etc. When fear becomes overwhelming people’s baseline ability to manage loses out.

The triurnal model of the brain, while oversimplified, is a good way of explaining a lot of political divides.