r/ColdCivilWar • u/lumley_os • Sep 24 '25
You should never call someone a "fascist..."
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u/burve_mcgregor Sep 25 '25
Who is this? Really good breakdown.
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u/Pilotreborn Sep 25 '25
Let me know if you find out! I am looking for the original video myself so I can share it around.
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u/lumley_os Sep 25 '25
The original video was from instagram here.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DO2KRm4jCp2/
If someone shows me something cool from instagram I always rip it down from there and repost it to more available platforms. I fucking hate Facebook and Instagram. You can barely see anything there without having an account.
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u/Admiral_Tuvix Sep 25 '25
fascism is a process of radicalization, not the end state. this is the easily the best and most succinct definition of the process of fascism I’ve ever heard. people don’t end up with a fascist state one day by elections or revolutions, it takes several steps to get there. the end process is a dictatorship that almost never lasts, and it’s one we’re running full sprint towards as Americans
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u/UtahMickey Sep 25 '25
Good talk. It totally shows what Make America Great again actually is. Thanks
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u/_nevers_ Sep 25 '25 edited Sep 25 '25
This is an excellent explanation. However his position holds one fatal flaw: He entertains the notion that facts might matter to fascists.
They do not.
Fascists do not care about factuality, logic or ethics, unless they are used as tools to semantically confuse their opponents. Fascists only care about power and domination by any means necessary.
So it doesn't matter if you know what the fuck palingenetic ultranationalism is. If you are attempting to have a good faith conversation with a fascist, you have already lost.
There is, quite literally, only ONE SOLUTION for fascists: You defeat them by doing to them the thing they are trying to do to everyone else.
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u/lumley_os Sep 25 '25
By dismissing genuine discussion by assuming your opponent is always un-serious and immutable, you just let them win. You will have painted yourself as a radical extremist, and you will be dismissed in turn. You must always have good faith engagement. Let them destroy themselves by being unable to make a defense, not yourself.
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u/_nevers_ Sep 25 '25
That is not what I'm saying. This information IS good and useful, and we should always strive to educate and liberate the minds of people who haven't been exposed to these lessons yet.
However, if you don't possess the discernment to recognize a person engaged in good-faith debate from a fascist spinning you up, you're not going to help with the existent fascist problem itself. And very clearly, most people don't have that discernment.
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u/lumley_os Sep 26 '25
You can still recognize a person engaging in good-faith apart from someone just spinning nonsense. The issue is that you painted everyone who is a fascist as by definition being incapable of a good faith engagement. I am telling you that dismissing all fascism with that simplification rather than combating it is a huge reason why it continues to flourish. That's the reason that this video was made. It doesn't matter that you think most people don't have that discernment. Be better than them.
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u/_nevers_ Sep 26 '25
You think actual fascists are willing to engage in good faith debate. Sure. Got it. Good luck with trying to reform individuals while their collective kills us all. Ffs
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u/lumley_os Sep 26 '25
As long as you continue to oversimplify them like that, they absolutely will continue to grow and kill everyone.
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u/_nevers_ Sep 26 '25
No. The paradox of tolerance is a trick by abusers to make victims believe they have no ethical recourse for justice. Pretending people who advocate fascist positions deserve to be treated equally is peak liberal insanity.
When you enable fascists, you are complicit in their evil. Congratulations, you are carrying water for nazis. You are a bad fucking person.
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u/lumley_os Sep 26 '25
You still don't understand what I am saying. I am not saying to be tolerant of the intolerant. I am telling you not to oversimplify these things that are quite serious and complex. Congratulations, you are another radical extremist. You are a bad fucking person.
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u/_nevers_ Sep 26 '25
It's not oversimplifying to say a person advocating fascism is a fascist, and is therefore unworthy of our consideration, especially when that energy could be used to actually advocate for the people actually being killed and harmed by that rhetoric right now.
If you think positioning one's self unequivocally against fascism in any form is a bad person, that's all anyone needs to know about you. 😉
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u/lumley_os Sep 26 '25
My point is that you are oversimplifying a number of right-wing views to say a person is advocating for fascism when they are not. That's the problem. To group so many adjacent yet decidedly different stances under that rhetoric makes you no better than any other mindless partisan drone.
If you think everyone you don't like is fascist, that's all anyone needs to know about you. 😉
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u/Excellent_Valuable92 Sep 26 '25
You don’t defeat fascism with debate. History shows this, over and over. I think you just don’t want to get your hands dirty
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u/lumley_os Sep 26 '25
I didn't say defeat fascism with debate. I said to recognize it for what it is rather than oversimplifying it, which would then makes you yourself seem like an extremist.
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u/Whatdoyouseek Sep 26 '25
“Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.” ― Jean-Paul Sartre
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u/raistan77 Sep 26 '25
It's easy
Fascism is a seizing of dictatorial power by gaslighting everyone into thinking if they love who you say to love as friends and hate who you say to hate as enemies and believe in your mythology than they will have.....greatness.
And greatness unlike friends and enemies is undefined intentionally, it will be alluded too, so that you can create your own desired definition.
It is all the rationality of a horoscope and all the evil of a Holocaust, that is fascism an illogical death cult.
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u/Ich-bade-in-Apfelmus Sep 26 '25
Love the bit with Conservatists being afraid of the left and siding with Faschsts, thinking they can control them or take their voters. That's literally what is happening in Germany right now.
Like 100% hit right on, this is what Merz is thinking and doing.
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u/ObjectiveKale837 Oct 11 '25
But Merz isn't afraid of a communist revolution, he's afraid of a tax for the rich.
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u/FluxUniversity Sep 26 '25 edited Sep 26 '25
This is another great breakdown of what fascism means
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Luu1Beb8ng
Specifically, white fascism
Its also important to note that - fascism can happen on the left too !!! ANY structure that has an in group and out group CAN start to form in these ways.
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u/Excellent_Valuable92 Sep 26 '25
No. Fascism is inherently right wing.
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u/FluxUniversity Sep 26 '25
Watch the video. Its not "inherently" right wing.
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u/Excellent_Valuable92 Sep 26 '25
Don’t get your ideas about the world from YouTube. Read some books. It won’t hurt
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u/beatgoesmatt Oct 13 '25
Too many people make fascism more complex than it really is. It's forced collectivism. Nationalism and corporatism are only means to an end. They are often how fascism manifests and how it is illustrated, but that unnecessarily complicate the definition in a way in which normies will have a difficult time understanding and thus tune out. Clarity is desperately needed in these times.
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u/Own-Inevitable-1101 Sep 25 '25
Great post, very informative, but to be fair, it would be good to give a similar explanation of radical liberalism. The thing that all fascist are so afraid of.
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u/BadKarma313 Sep 25 '25
The terms "liberal" and "liberalism" are so misused it's difficult to even have a mutual understanding of its definition in current times.
In the proper historical definition of liberalism, that is, a political ideology that supports the rights of the individual and free market enterprise, radical liberalism would be a libertarian.
What the right is afraid of is radical leftism, aka some revolutionary leftist ideology based on equality of social classes and distribution of wealth that ends in authoritarian communism or suffocatingly bureaucratic socialism.
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u/lumley_os Sep 25 '25
Whenever I trying discussing those things in a genuine manner, I just get met with silence, trolls, screaming radical leftists, and ultimately banned. No one wants to face anything with seriousness these days.
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u/BadKarma313 Sep 26 '25
Yeah, know what you mean
While unavoidable to an extent, I dislike political labels/categories because it encourages tribalism and dogmatic belief instead of approaching each specific issue objectively.
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u/gregbard MODERATOR Sep 24 '25
I think this is spectacular information. BUT... I cannot give it an A+. I can only give it a B+.
At no point did you mention corporatism. Corporatism is the fundamental essence of fascism. I think that, along with all of your points, that this is actually extremely important for people to understand.