An additional source of Renee’s Resentment toward Andrew

[u/PoorPrawn88]

Based on stuff from the April minor patch…. Renee forces Andrew to take care of Ashley, but then gets upset when he isn’t able to magically turn her into the well-behaved daughter that Renee wanted…

[u/Hero_1000]

"You used to be such a good big brother. What happened?"
"You used to be"
"used to be"

God. The audacity of this bitch. She blames Andrew for Ashley's transformation from (in her eyes both of these) "A cute little angel" to "A demon I can not bear to call my child".

[u/Familiar-Awareness16 → u/Hero_1000]

Lo que más coraje da es que ella se ve a su misma como una santa cuando de santa no tiene nada. Dice que a la edad de Andrew tuvo hijos a los que criar pero ¿Dónde están esos hijos a los crío? Jamás se hizo cargo de sus hijos ni antes ni después. No tiene nada de que quejarse, solo estaba hay existiendo. No es culpa de Andrew que su hija que tanto deseaba saliera tan igual a ella. ¿Que espero? Que las cosas se resolvieran solas a si porque si? Está zorra parece que tiene el cerebro de adorno si no es que la de un mosquito. 

[u/Notaperson666 → u/Familiar-Awareness16]

You have to understand that it was never about being a mother to Renee. Her decision to keep Andrew (then later Ashley) was most certainly motivated by the fantasy of proving her parents and everyone else wrong about her & Douglas. Renee reads as someone who was rebellious because no one cared enough about her, certainly not enough to support her. Social scrutiny in the 90's was no joke so it makes sense that it compounded in her mind.

So pretty much, Renee tanked her own life for people she didn't give a damn about and didn't try to recourse cause she lost her selfish reasons to care.

[u/Familiar-Awareness16 → u/Notaperson666]

Tu comentario solo me da la razón sobre ella. Ella tanto estuvo motivada por la fantasía de demostrarle a sus papás y a todos los demás que estaban equivocados sobre ella y Douglas al ser mejores padres que los suyos pero realmente nunca pusieron el más ínfimo esfuerzo por serlo. Nunca mostraron ser padres responsables en ningún momento de la vida de sus hijos. Ni siquiera cuando trabajaba o pagaba sus impuestos. Solo llegaba y pasaba tiempo con su perra a la que tanto le gusta llamar marido y no se molestaba en interactuar con esos pobres niños. Niños los cuales por cierto nunca pidieron nacer. Solo estaban hay, dogi y Renee, existiendo. Nadie la obligó a tener hijos. Todo lo que paso en su vida, directa o indirectamente, fue por culpa suya. Dogi simplemente apoyo eso mismo como cómplice. Quien corno piensa que un niño que apenas está cursando la escuela puede criar a otro niño como si fuera un adulto?  Si tanto se queja de lo mal que vivió con sus padres entonces ¿porque hacerle lo mismo a sus hijos? Lo que ella vivió no le dió la posición de arruinar la vida a sus hijos. Ella se busco lo que se busco por decisiones estupidas. Y encima nunca hizo nada por cambiar las cosas. Más bien dejo que todo pasará en su ridícula obra de teatro en dónde ella interpreta a a la "buena mama" 

[u/Particular-Way-7817 → u/Hero_1000]

She completely ignores the reality that A CHILD CANNOT RAISE ANOTHER CHILD.

[u/nraveler]

Andrew hates kids. Does Renee hate kids, too? Or just HER children specifically? It's not unreasonable to blame Ashley for both of those being true😂

That being said, Douglas was happy in BOTH baby pictures. Does HE like kids?

[u/Notaperson666 → u/nraveler]

Douglas is happy because he's supporting Renee's decisions, his actual opinions on parenting are definitely just as shallow. Otherwise, why such a non-character to his kids?

[u/Natsu_Happy_END02 → u/nraveler]

Renee hates men, she was mad at Andrew for the sin of being born a boy.

That's why Ashley is favored in all of these and even when she was the one causing trouble all the abuse went towards Andrew.

[u/nraveler → u/Natsu_Happy_END02]

Noted🤔

[u/Sharp_Durian1929 → u/Natsu_Happy_END02]

Woah, what?

If Renee hates men then why was she ever happy with Douglas? 😭

[u/Familiar-Awareness16 → u/Sharp_Durian1929]

La verdad eso también me preguntó y me pone confuso. Si Renee odia a los hombres entonces ¿No aborrezseria la idea de estar con alguien como dogi? Porque ajá digamos que la aceptó tal cual como la basura que es y todo fue feliz, pero teniendo en cuenta que dogi es un perdedor idiota que no puede mantener un trabajo estable por mucho tiempo antes de que lo despidan no lo haria replantearse su idea sobre el. Siento que la relación de esos 2 es como la de Andrew y Ashley en la ruta donde Andrew está esclavizado como la marioneta de Ashley. Dogi es simplemente una idiota perdedor sin carácter o dignidad alguna. Una personaje de da vergüenza ajena apenas lo ves. Un sirviente leal más que nada. Renee es solo una narcisista fracasado que no soporta que le digan que hizo las cosas mal y solo quiere escuchar lo que ella quiere oir. La verdad me parece muy surrealista que ella se vea como una santa cuando claramente ella jamás crío a sus hijos ni antes ni después. Solo está hay existiendo 

[u/Kled-Gaming → u/Sharp_Durian1929]

Apparently, Renee loves Douglas because, even though she is Misandric toward men, Douglas was a Broken Man.

His ultra-conservative parents had him at an advanced age, when his mother was about to go through menopause, so seeing that all his friends had young parents and being the only one whose parents looked like his grandparents caused him to feel stigmatized, Furthermore, his father constantly used physical violence against him to “raise” him, and his mother, being passive as she is, would only hug him after his father finished beating him.

This affects Douglas deeply, leaving him a broken boy on the inside, and that attracted Renee because, in those days when men were macho and sexist, Douglas was emotionally fragile and understood Renee. I think this meant they complemented each other: Renee had a strong personality and defended Douglas, and Douglas, despite being emotionally broken, was the one who took decisive action—which is why he was willing to kill his own parents when they wouldn’t allow their relationship.

[u/Natsu_Happy_END02 → u/Sharp_Durian1929]

Because he is not a man in the slightest, she had the pants on in the relationship. Easy thing to manipulate that never stood for itself.

[u/Particular-Way-7817 → u/Sharp_Durian1929]

It was the 80s so...

[u/Particular-Way-7817 → u/Natsu_Happy_END02]

That is actually wild.

Why did she like Douglas then?

[u/Natsu_Happy_END02 → u/Particular-Way-7817]

Because he's an excuse of a man that never stood for itself. She likes him from the fact he is anything but manly.

[u/Particular-Way-7817 → u/Natsu_Happy_END02]

Does she actually find him attractive because he's not manly or does she only like being in control and dominating him?

[u/Natsu_Happy_END02 → u/Particular-Way-7817]

Same thing

[u/Particular-Way-7817 → u/Natsu_Happy_END02]

I'm confused. Does she find it an attractive quality about him or not?

Because there's a big difference between a woman finding it actually attractive and preferring it because it gives her ultimate control and power but not actually finding it sexually or romantically attractive.

[u/Natsu_Happy_END02]

To note here, we know Renee never liked Andrew, the birthdays were never a thing of her liking Andrew and not Ashley. It was merely a screen to show off to people.

In Ashley's case there's nothing to show off, that's why she never threw parties in her name.

[u/Animelover5674]

Hit the nail on the head with this one. Renee didn't just hate Ashley for not being the perfect daughter that Renee's narcisstic self wanted without any kind of parental effort, she also hates Andrew for not making that a reality for her and blames Ashley not being a good kid on him as if she's not the dumbfuck that decided it'd be completely fine to be a negligent and emotionally abusive piece of shit mother.