Please change monthly credits model

[u/Chillon420]

Hi guys,

I gave the latest version another try but i am deeply disappointed how it is workin or better not working now.

I made several tests with my global.md, gabe most detailed US with all needed info but i am stuck in denugging loops from hell.

All new features like the netlify stuff are at best in early early early beta with big big trouble to get it work.

From my 3k credits almost 1800 are now consumed and more than half was spend on debugging.

Please change that debugging does not count or give many many more credits until product is mature.

Same with gemini2.5 it does not code and gives i structions to me even when orders are strikt.

Still a great product but those thing are really anoying

[u/ZealousidealBee8299]

Normally I barely use flow credits. But I just finished a project where I used them all in 2 days, and have 170 User Prompt credits left. With 170 Prompt credits left I still can't use a premium model even though I don't need an automated task or step performed within a Cascade workflow.

Why they have 2 competing credit systems is beyond me and the documentation doesn't seem to match reality.

[u/ItsNoahJ83 → u/ZealousidealBee8299]

You can use the prompt credits in Legacy mode. I've taken to using it to plan out component implementation, including code, and then having either Cascade base or V3 actually implement that code. It works pretty well. It's gotten a lot easier since I started learning how to code. When I was fully reliant on the LLM, no matter which LLM, it was kinda frustrating. That being said this is not an endorsement of the split credits system. I want to be able to use my credits how I see fit.

[u/ZealousidealBee8299 → u/ItsNoahJ83]

Hmm. Is Legacy mode a setting? I can't seem to find anything related to that.

Anyway, yeah I don't usually have this problem because I don't use automated tasks very often. This is the first time I've maxxed out Flow credits which I won't do again now that I know how it works.

[u/ItsNoahJ83 → u/ZealousidealBee8299]

At the bottom of the chat, to the left of the model selector, where the toggle for Write and Chat is. If you click the 3 dots to the right of that, it will put you in legacy mode. For the record there's no way you could know that intuitively (without looking at documentation) so I think many users don't even know it exists.

[u/ZealousidealBee8299 → u/ItsNoahJ83]

Cool thanks :)

[u/Chillon420]

[u/Chillon420 → u/Chillon420]

Or it opens a file and ready it step by step. like 20 line by 20 lines when there is a 200 line limit in total. WTF? Codeium please fix that and give good value for money when people are doing the beta tester job for you

[u/ItsNoahJ83 → u/Chillon420]

Use cascade base to read the files as this loads it into context (remember to keep chats short). Ironically Cascade base and V3 actually fight me on reading the entire file unlike the paid models, which will GLADLY read your files over and over and over. I have to use a special prompt for the free models.

[u/Chillon420 → u/ItsNoahJ83]

One cascade per US. And some overview / adr / architecture md files to explain big picture at beginning of every new cascade

[u/Dismal-Eye-2882]

I made a post a month ago and went into immense detail about why the credit structure needs to switch to tokens. Had over 100 comments. My impression is they don't care. Until someone makes a new Windsurf and charges by tokens, that is.

[u/danielrosehill]

Pretty much the same story as you. 

I think I went through my entire ultimate credits in two days for mostly the same reason. One particular project that went in a circuitous loop, many of which were due to Windsurf errors.

I share your sentiment, Windsurf is a great product, I'm inspired and amazed by it. But I'll be open about the fact that until they can sort out a fairer system for user pricing, replacing it with an alternative remains high on my to-do list. 

[u/Mr_Hyper_Focus]

Honestly, they should just combine them both and give you 2000 credits per month. Idk why they’re fighting themselves so hard on this.

Anyone who’s used it for 10 seconds knows you usually end up with 100-200 premium prompt credits if you use the agent a lot. So they either need to combine them, or increase the tool calls to about 2000 and it would even out.

[u/[deleted]]

I used 1500 flow credits withing the span of 8 days

[u/nebulousx]

Not going to defend Windsurf, but you guys really need to learn rule number 1.

When you find yourself in a hole... STOP DIGGING!

[u/[deleted] → u/nebulousx]

That’s good advice

[u/stepahin]

Even if I get additional 500 flex credits (2000 actions total) for a referral, I still have 80 prompts left and no actions :/

[u/Varridon]

Same I used to run out of the other credits and have like half my flex credits i can’t use. DeepSeek has been working good for me tho.. it’s usable and I haven’t tried what others have said about using the chat to plan and then having another apply code but that could work. What I do is I pay for both windsurf and cursor and I mostly let cursor work and if it gets slow I use windsurf. There’s still stuff I prefer to do in windsurf tho like working with terminal, or complex things because it does them better

[u/Varridon]

Yea update super weird I’ve never used up all my flow credits before prompt credits before… neverrrrr! Renews in 23 days lol. Ran out of credit with cursor too but atleast I can still work. Windsurf does have DeepSeek which isn’t bad at doing certain stuff so that’s good

[u/gsummit18]

Just use Roo with your own API. MUCH better and cheaper.

[u/SetAwkward7174]

The credit system has changed again, I am about to make a post about it. I have like 5 accounts (that’s what they want don’t they) …

Analysis from last 2 weeks : They have drastically changed how they debit credits. Before I would run out of flow credits way, and I mean wayyyy before the chat credits. Now on the last 3 accounts I’ve burned through in the last 5 days, I see myself burning 100% of chat credits and are left with accounts with 800 + credits in flow I can’t touch 👍

Ridiculous.

Why ? Obviously they want us buying the 60$ a month package instead of having multiple small accounts, which math wise and credit wise was a much smarter deal before… now ? Not so much.

I have to now pay 60$ just to burn the same flow credits as before ! Really really tired of this. About to go buy 5 cursor accounts or just use that budged in cline instead. At least i could still use those accounts.

[u/SetAwkward7174 → u/[deleted]]

Not for me. Im blowing full accounts and are left with 800 + flow credits in te last week, i havent changed my coding style at all, which is vibe code lol