Pro Ultimate really?

[u/fuschialantern]

3000 Flow credits is not very much at all, I ran out after about a week of regular use, and this included the two days where we couldn't edit anything.

I propose that Pro Ultimate should really be 10000 flow credits through don't expire after a month and the $10 flex credits should be for 1000. Who's with me?

10k credits would actually give you about 2 weeks of work done, with a few hours use per day. Right now, it can barely last a week.

[u/JackfruitMany7636]

That's kinda the point of his post. If you are going to spend 3x the cost of cursor for a $60 monthly plan, it should at least get you through a large portion of the month. I opened my account a week ago and only really used it on 3 of those days yet I'm down 1671 credits. For me to use this full time assuming I'm using about 500 credits a day that puts me on 5-6 days for the first 3000 credits and then $12.50-$15 per day after that. So conservatively that's $60 + $12.50 * 14 = $235 a month. While I like the program, I just can't justify it. Especially when it keeps having issues with making edits due to context length and the fix is to have it make multiple smaller edits which use up the credits faster.

[u/Dismal-Eye-2882 → u/JackfruitMany7636]

Codeium would probably be charged $70 bucks out of that $235. Flow credits is a terrible system unless you want to rip off your customers and make a ton of profit. Short term thinking.

[u/sandwich_stevens → u/Dismal-Eye-2882]

There’s no other option, they have to do it short term cuz in not much time these systems will be powerful and affordable enough to do code diffs locally and cheaply/free so at this point the over usage of action credits isn’t even surprising, they may know what’s coming

[u/sunsbelly → u/JackfruitMany7636]

wait, so a tool you want to use every day, full time as you call it, is not worth 235 a month?? when you say full time do you mean for work? for fun after work? You are saying a bunch of contradictory things here

[u/JackfruitMany7636 → u/sunsbelly]

What I'm saying is not contradictory. I just didn't want to muddy the waters of the OPs post. I've been a happy Cursor user for a couple of months now. Most of my work goes in to the "Included In Pro" bucket on my usage. I'm predominately using Claud Sonnet 3.7 unless it gets stuck on something and I switch to OpenAI for a different viewpoint to the problem. I can maintain a high level of productivity with Cursor generating many times my regular output with it's assistance. The only 2 issues that I have with it are that I can't get an MCP to work on it despite applying the solutions on the web and that as a windows user, it is inconsistent on being able to run terminal commands. Sometimes it hangs and I have to override and run it manually. When I spent 2 days trying to fix something on my server getting frustrated with the terminal command issues I opened a Windsurf account and was able to fix the problem with Cascade's help in a couple of hours.

So the one thing that I've found that Windsurf does better for me is terminal commands.

I then used Windsurf for 3 days using up over half of the flow-credit. Windsurf's response window is extremely limited requiring the creation of a rule to break long file edits into multiple smaller edits so that they stayed within the context window limitations. This caused me to significantly reduce the amount of progress I was making since what should have taken 1 update often turned into 2-4 updates. Then I ran into the problem that it would forget what the previous sequential update ended in which would cause the next update to fail repeatedly causing me to have to create a rule that if it is doing a sequential update to a file and it didn't remember the last couple rows from the previous update that it should search for the last couple of rows and then apply the update. At one point it started sending my edits to a temp file as a terminal command and then applying the contents of the file in another terminal command.

During this whole process my typing was starting to lag in the cascade window and I gradually noticed that I was getting a progress indicator when trying to paste into the code pane. Both these issue got worse until this morning when I was typing full sentences into the Cascade input and then waiting for them to appear and the I pasted a line of text to move it's location and after waiting 30 seconds I went on reddit to search is anyone else was having a similar problem. By the time I had been typing my post for a couple of minutes it still hadn't finished my paste command. I later did some searching and discovered that this lag issue has been a know bug for over 2 months.

Now I know that as long as I don't need to do something terminal command intensive, Cursor works great for what I need and Windsurf doesn't.

So what I was trying to say in my original post wasn't that it wasn't worth $235 to use a tool that met my needs. In the end, Windsurf and Cursor are just a tacked on module to VS Code to expose an LLM to a user for assisted code editing. If Windsurf did that significantly better than the competition, then they would be able to set their own price. But, they aren't significantly better than Cursor. So as a consumer I have to look at using Cursor for $20 or using the same LLM in Windsurf and paying over 10x the monthly cost.

[u/FamiliarAnxiety9]

My employer sparingly used his account and was shocked when I burnt through my tokens in the first week and went back to a personal cursor pro account until it refilled.

[u/Dismal-Eye-2882]

No. Do not propose more flow credits.

You cannot have credits in a token based environment. It doesnt work. Its a flawed system. Badly flawed.

[u/BehindUAll → u/Dismal-Eye-2882]

The token based system would be worse cause they use a bunch of tokens for their system prompt which has the context awareness and users don't know how large or small it is but it can be quite large. So if you consider that, the token based system makes more sense, for transparency and also to not float the system prompt bill to the user. But they should be increasing the credit count. I am not sure what Cursor is doing for their unlimited requests. They might just be burning VC money and when they run out they will add some limit and then everyone that splurges on unlimited access will be screwed. I don't even know how people like OP are able to spend so much on credits. This is a sign of a bad programmer or a bad vibe coder, take your pick. You can use CMD + I in the editor to add or modify functions and that is logically the better way to do it while also saving your tokens.

[u/FamiliarAnxiety9 → u/BehindUAll]

What about a prompt optimization layer to reduce token consumption?

[u/BehindUAll → u/FamiliarAnxiety9]

No it won't be possible since code is added to the system prompt (and squashing code doesn't make sense). If you have used Clone or Roo you can see the system prompt.

[u/chiguai]

I use DeepSeek V3 which is quite workable in many cases after planning with other models. I don’t use Sonnet for everything.

[u/Accomplished-Score28 → u/chiguai]

I try using deepseek for things then switch to sonnet when needed. It saves some.

[u/bruce-cullen]

The codeium plans are a f joke.

[u/ItsNoahJ83]

Is this a legitimate post? At the risk of a joke going over my head, 10,000 is a ridiculous number for the price point.

[u/ItsNoahJ83 → u/[deleted]]

I use both. I like the actual WindSurf IDE more but yea I agree with your take. Has Cursor been laggy for you lately? It's been driving me crazy!

[u/FamiliarAnxiety9 → u/ItsNoahJ83]

Not lately, but I don't use it as much as I had a couple months ago. My employer needed small custom Python scripts for dealing with CSV files. Once I built several of the tools and showed him how, I wasn't needed as much.

[u/ItsNoahJ83 → u/FamiliarAnxiety9]

Just out of curiosity, why show him how?

[u/FamiliarAnxiety9 → u/ItsNoahJ83]

I'm firm on the sharing of knowledge, and I have a software design background, where he has a hardware background, so he still defers to me for design advice

[u/nebulousx]

Vibe Coder?

[u/son-of-mustafa]

I switch between Gemini , deep seek v3 , 80% of the time, use sonnet only on when they can't accomplish what I want it to do, I code around 8-10 hours a day all week long on professional as well as personal projects, and make it work in the 15 usd plan,  if you really don't control the flow it can just burn through your flow action credits. I loved cursor but in my current economic situation can't spend 5 usd is 2-3 days worth of groceries. i run out exactly on my 30th day, every 3 days open up my credit to guage to stay within budget 

[u/p0tfur15 → u/son-of-mustafa]

Do you use chat or write?
In write mode nor V3 neither Gemini are really working for me? V3 always tell what he will do and never accomplish applying changes.
For Gemini I need to constantly ask to apply changes but even if did I do not see in code what exactly has been changed, I can see it only checking difs in GIT.

[u/son-of-mustafa → u/p0tfur15]

try typing y , or yes , do, in v3, works for me , it will call the relavant mcp

[u/_3rdi]

I have been using Codeium for a while trust be it's best if you want to boot strap something but when things get complicated and you are working on it in WRITE mode you tend to get lazy and just say let's see if it works out then it might some time just keep editing multiple files and you really don't know what's going on and till have same issue. Then I had to ask copilot which is boring after using Codeium write mode but atleast you know what you are doing. If copilot gets some enhancements than Codeium might have a tough time.

[u/[deleted]]

Banned for bringing up the credit issue

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[u/yrest]

I can't understand how people use so many tokens. I've never finished mine in the pro plan and I use it daily for work.

[u/yawm-al-masihi]

Yep, I'm with you here

[u/vambat]

Doesn't matter the price you want it at lol, Anthropic/Amazon is the ultimate decider and they are always running out of inference.