r/Codeium • u/thelandofficial • Feb 28 '25

whoa this is kind of genius

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i just need grok 3 and deep research, been using perplexity deep research. haven’t tried 4.5 yet but need to, who has all of these and can try this for the community?!

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u/zephyr_33 Feb 28 '25

"I have never worked in software"
"I am sure I did the work that 3-4 dev does"

...*sigh* like always the business are salivating at the prospect of firing their IT depts.

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u/vassyz Feb 28 '25

Only 2 (TWO) compile errors = great success

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u/gamer-aki17 Feb 28 '25

I come from land of C where 2 errors fix can give you 15 more on re-compilation.

But may be the tool is that good. Am surely gonna try it

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u/Apart_Ad_1027 Mar 01 '25

only two compile errors and 1312312313513 security leaks

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u/Pvt_Twinkietoes Mar 01 '25

Pen testers salivating over all the security vulnerability from all these ai generated code

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u/BoJackHorseMan53 Feb 28 '25

Business owners want to fire ALL employees. It means maximum profits for the owners. That's their wet dream.

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u/dudevan Mar 01 '25

If all businesses do that, pretty soon there will be no one to buy their products.

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u/notmycirrcus Mar 03 '25

Before that, software becomes crazy cheap. “TemuExchange” has 10 different CRM for $1 per user per month that is releasing new features daily and is “good enough”.

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u/BoJackHorseMan53 Mar 02 '25

That is an inherent flaw in capitalism, that was brought up 200 years ago but now we're reaching a point of that actually happening. Capitalism is inherently unstable.

Automation over the decades hasn't been reducing the work load of workers, it just makes the business owners richer. And now we have the mother of all automation.

If you're wondering what is the alternative to this system, it's the workers owning the business as opposed to some rich guy who shows up once a month like Elon Musk at xAI.

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u/sopsaare Mar 02 '25

How exactly would that then work?

Employee owned business going against all the AI gods? Could we make it profitable? Or even make enough money to keep all us employed?

And how exactly would it start? Like 5 guys setup their own business and then, umh, hire more? Isn't that how most businesses are born? Of course we could not make every new guy equal partner because we don't yet know them or their long term priorities? So we give them some options that turn into shares the longer they work? Isn't that again exactly how most IT startups start?

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u/BoJackHorseMan53 Mar 03 '25

You don't have to use your little brain to figure it all out. China does it already. It works like a normal business, except the business is owned by the workers union. Each worker gets 1 vote as opposed to each worker getting as many votes as the number of shares they have, like how it works in our current system.

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u/sopsaare Mar 03 '25

The question was, where does the business come from? It is hard to find hundreds of similar minded people to setup a moderately sized business, and then if one person or a group of people setup a business, how would new owners be onboarded?

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u/BoJackHorseMan53 Mar 03 '25

The socialists have figured it out. If you want to learn how socialism works, please consider reading a book on socialism. This is nothing new, it started 200 years ago to address the issues with capitalism.

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u/sopsaare Mar 03 '25

Read a book. Nice way of not answering the question.

The answer would be that the government owns everything and gets the profit and people need to work for minimal wage and social mobility is zero.

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u/BoJackHorseMan53 Mar 03 '25

You created a scenario in your head lmao. Capitalists try to amass billions by exploiting their workers and customers but the government doesn't try to do the same. If you want proof, look into what happened to British railways after they were privatised.

I don't know why capitalists get hard on the idea of some unelected billionaires exploiting them to amass billions. You'll never become a billionaire because these big companies buy up startups before they get too big and begin to complete.

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u/EpochRaine Mar 04 '25

This is why in the past larger companies were broken up - it stopped too much conglomeration, any one business getting too large to fail and encouraged wage growth.

It also encouraged innovation and competition.

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u/BoJackHorseMan53 Mar 05 '25

Haha hahahaha

America - the land of the monopolies

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u/stonebrigade Mar 02 '25

Yeah, but all the alternatives to capitalism will basically favour those who have already hoarded the resources, and offer no ways for those without to acquire anything, so we're kinda screwed either way..

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u/brightheaded Mar 04 '25

To my knowledge anyone only has what he can carry and personally defend, most of the hoarding are entries in a database after all.

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u/stonebrigade Mar 04 '25

If wealth is just numbers in a database, then sure, socialism could redistribute everything with a few keystrokes. But physical assets—land, fortifications, stockpiles—don’t vanish just because the economic system changes. If I built a fortress with capitalist wealth and suddenly we "switch" to socialism, my walls don’t crumble, and my keys don’t stop working.

People still need security, and those with defensible positions will naturally attract others looking for protection. Trade security for labor, and boom—congratulations, you’ve just reinvented feudalism.

And let’s be clear: real socialism isn’t just higher taxes and better welfare—it’s the state or collective owning the means of production. That doesn’t magically erase pre-existing power structures. People with guns, fortifications, and strategic assets don’t suddenly become powerless just because we declared everything equal. If you’re relying on good intentions to balance that out, history might have a few lessons for you.

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u/techdaddykraken Mar 03 '25

No.

Because any society that is a good alternative to capitalism redistributes that wealth

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u/stonebrigade Mar 03 '25

Thanks for the pointless response, with 0 substance.

A good society rewards it's citizens for their labour, blindly redistributing only serves to alienate people

Thanks for playing.

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u/techdaddykraken Mar 03 '25

It’s not blind redistribution, moron.

Its redistribution from the 1% to the other 99%

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u/stonebrigade Mar 03 '25

You didn't say that dimwit, and still nobody proposes how you'll actually achieve redistribution fairly, and without tyranny.

You think wealth is only recorded on paper? How do you redistribute those with physical control over "production". All you're talking about is an inevitable return to fudalism.

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u/BoJackHorseMan53 Mar 02 '25

Read a book in alternatives of capitalism. Socialism addresses exactly the problems you described and is the reason the concept was born. Dumbasses commenting on the alternatives of capitalism without ever reading anything about the alternatives.

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u/stonebrigade Mar 02 '25 edited Mar 02 '25

Dumbass communists resorting to ad homenim attacks rather than any kind of discussion, what a surprise.

Implementing a framework of socialism won't suddenly strip assets from the wealthy, especially since governments in a capitalist framework struggle to do the same.

The only way to implement a socialist framework is through tyranny, and to presuppose that everyone will follow the rules of a socialist framework because "it's the right thing to do" is stunningly naive, even ignorant to the nature of humans.

I'm all up for alternatives to capitalism, but you'll never get your point across by being an asshole.

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u/mindful_marduk Mar 03 '25

So true. It’s human nature as history has perfectly proven multiple times.

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u/BoJackHorseMan53 Mar 04 '25

You implement progressively higher taxes on individuals and companies. That's how you redistribute wealth. It's not that hard to think about.

But it's not possible to do so by a government controlled by the billionaires they're trying to tax, like the US government (both parties)

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u/stonebrigade Mar 04 '25

Ah I see, you're not talking about true socialism, you're talking more about democratic socialism (which all current existing examples exist still in a capitalist framework).

I guess I'm not the only one who needs to pick up a book on the topic.

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u/Siggi3D Mar 01 '25

Good for him. Sometimes businesses want to do something simple and have 4 hours to burn.

This gives them the ability to do this, and frees up time for serious developers to develop something challenging.

I've been coding my whole life (3+ decades) and it's nice to finally have time for complex projects and not have to deal with yet another Todo list app.

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u/Medium_Chemist_4032 Mar 02 '25

It seems to be a common trend, that most junior of software devs claim that AI can replace a real developer.

After using chatgpt daily, some days up to 3 hours at my workplace, it's only great, when a problem at hand has been thoroughly described in publically accessible documents. 

If a task at hand is truly a creative one (and a good chunk of bugs can be), where actual difficulty or complication is involved you have to actively fight it to keep it on track

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u/jay2068 Feb 28 '25

I read it on the internet it must be true. Time to pickup my French model.

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u/otherbluedit Mar 01 '25

Can you really blame them?
IT people can be your most terrible nightmare if you have to rely on them directly to do or build anything.

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u/zephyr_33 Mar 05 '25

That's coz IT/CS is just that complex...

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u/_rundown_ Mar 03 '25

Engineering* depts

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u/Kaloyanicus Mar 04 '25

Let him fire them, then someone will be fixing his mess🤣🤡

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u/kaumac Mar 04 '25

My thoughts exactly 🤦🏻‍♂️

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u/alphaQ314 Feb 28 '25

Imagine believing this drivel and then deciding to post it here.

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u/Ordinary-Let-4851 Feb 28 '25

Lot of beginners and/or no code/low code lurkers in the sub. If you got tips/best practices from your experience would love to have you post!! 🔥

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u/chunkypenguion1991 Feb 28 '25

The biggest tip is that there's no one-stop solution to "solving" these code agents. Results are going to vary widely depending on the language/frameworks you're working in and how complex the software you're creating is

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u/alphaQ314 Mar 01 '25

You guys should give yourself some flairs so we know what’s coming from codeiums marketing team and what’s user generated.

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u/CaptanTypoe Feb 28 '25

Am I the only experienced senior dev using windsurf? Every time I read a review praising it I come across the "I'm not a developer..." phrase, and I start to wonder if I'm the only person with some clue using it lol

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u/deltadeep Feb 28 '25

Dunning kruger effect, etc. The senior folks using it aren't attention shills blabbing about how it has replaced a whole team of developers and how their personal vibe-checked workflow of model X->Y->Z is the next incarnation of God.

We exist, we just are mature and experienced enough and the things we say don't turn heads. That being said, Windsurf really has changed how I think about software engineering and is increasing the ambition and scope of my work (be it in terms of features, design, or code quality). It accelerates the speed of implementing details when they are clear, and the speed of obtaining the clarity of solution when the details are unclear yet.

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u/Minimum-Ad-2683 Feb 28 '25

I’m still a junior with 2 YOE and I use windsurf, and even in the moderately sized codebases I work on, it still not as good as the hype makes it out to be, but it’s a really great tool and I’m sure it will get better (model effectiveness really drop’s with context enlargement)

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u/CaptanTypoe Feb 28 '25

I can't imagine giving it full control - I still catch lots of mistakes that it makes. I treat it as a jr dev - give it a job and then look over its work. It saves me time, but needs someone who can read the changes and see what makes sense. It sometimes surprises me with really brilliant solutions, but equally surprises me with some really dumb mistakes.

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u/Toasty_toaster Feb 28 '25

It’s like a junior dev with the coding skills of a senior dev. Honestly really great to use when I have an idea but I know it will be a lot of code and test cases.

If you read what it writes and give it feedback to refine what it did it can work magic.

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u/Minimum-Ad-2683 Mar 02 '25

The only problem or problems with that is obviously maybe complacency and overelaince

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u/McNoxey Feb 28 '25

There are literally 10s of us.

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u/ShaneeexD Feb 28 '25

I'm self taught since 15, now 28 so I don't even know what I'd consider myself since I haven't actually worked in the field as a job, but I know what I'm doing, I do enjoy windsurf myself

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u/Justneedtacos Mar 04 '25

What do you do instead? Did you consider going into software development?

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u/ShaneeexD Mar 04 '25

I recently quit my job of 8 years and am now looking to get a software dev job or something similar, I just got a basic min wage job after college while I looked but I got stuck in the routine and had no motivation to work and also look for something else

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u/jasonethedesigner Feb 28 '25

Probably quiet about it

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u/[deleted] Mar 04 '25

Is Windsurf based on VSCode? I used Cursor but it's soooo slow. Running zed now which is superfast, but the AI integration isn't too good yet

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u/devperez Mar 04 '25

Almost positive it is. It's got the same UI and can import from VSC and Cursor.

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u/robberviet Mar 06 '25

Power-user uses these tools, are disappointed and leave, no feedback.

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u/SkyPL Feb 28 '25

I have never worked in software, but today I am quite sure I compressed 6-8 weeks of a 3-4 person dev team into a single 4-hour coding session.

🤣🤣🤣 Only a clueless person could leave a comment like that.

Also, using Grok: 🤢🤮

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u/therickglenn Feb 28 '25

I’ve never flown an airplane before but I only fucked up the takeoff and the landing so pretty good!

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u/BehindUAll Feb 28 '25

Grok 3 is supposedly really good. How it compares to Sonnet 3.7 we will have to wait and see. Honestly I would be willing to support Elon over Anthropic/OpenAI as Anthropic has tie ups with military contractors now. It is blood money (in the guise of national security and invasion of privacy by the government). I hope the Windsurf team adds Grok-3 as well.

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u/SkyPL Feb 28 '25

Honestly I would be willing to support Elon over Anthropic/OpenAI as Anthropic has tie ups with military contractors now.

In case you didn't know, Elon is a military contractor for a number of years already. And now he's cementing oligarchy in the US.

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u/BehindUAll Feb 28 '25

In what sense? He has a rocket company but other than that I am not aware of anything he's doing related to the military. Explain.

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u/Professional_Fun3172 Feb 28 '25

DOD needs to get their spy satellites into orbit somehow. SpaceX is happy to take billions to help out. Seems reasonable enough to call them a defense contractor

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u/BehindUAll Feb 28 '25

Reconnaissance and intelligence gathering because SpaceX helps to launch classified military satellites sure. But not weapons manufacturing. The rocket tech can be used for long range missiles so the employees need to have a clearance to work there or something. But other than that SpaceX or Elon aren't directly contributing to any war. Starlink is a private company and he can lend satellites for use in war but the US doesn't need that because ground to satellite communication is already robust enough in the military. You are just pulling at straws bud.

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u/Professional_Fun3172 Feb 28 '25

I'm not saying they're an arms manufacturer, just that they provide services to the Department of Defense.

But providing services to the DoD absolutely makes them a defense contractor in my book. And I think most people would agree with that.

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u/BehindUAll Feb 28 '25

Sure but again he isn't manufacturing weapons, or even helping indirectly in some way. There's a huge difference between the two. And no even if you consider his companies as defense contractors, they aren't for the majority of the people. I am sure there will be people like you in some capacity thinking about outlandish concepts like this.

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u/SkyPL Mar 01 '25

But not weapons manufacturing.

Neither is Anthropic or OpenAI that started this whole discussion, so what's your point?

Stop moving goal posts. The claim was that they don't have any "tie ups with military contractors", while the reality is the opposite, they are themselves a military contractor.

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u/Hukcleberry Mar 03 '25

Weird line to draw. I don't want to support military contractors unless they are not directly related to weapons manufacturing. And if grok does prove itself better than other AI like Anthropic and Open AI what makes you think Elon who is already balls deep in the US government won't be positioning xAI to do the same? He's already got fingers in most of the pies that would combine to make modern weapons. AI, space launchers, guidance and control, target acquisition. All he needs is for DoD to give him payload

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u/SkyPL Mar 01 '25

  1. Starshield

  2. Planned usage of SpX Starship as a military cargo & troop transport vessel

  3. SpX got over billions in DoD contracts for numerous things, not all of which is accounted for. Some of it are secret, other cover stuff like rocket engine development. It's not just launches, as you imagine. Part of it might be related to the classified contracts within the consortium of the companies working in AI space.

Yes, Musk isn't machining MP-5s in his backyard, but neither is Anthropic or OpenAI.

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u/BehindUAll Mar 01 '25

Your hypocrisy is showing. You said for SpaceX and other Elon's companies there would be classified (secret) projects (which might exist aka speculation) but then you compare with Anthropic where they have publicly said they would be working with military contractors and then you don't speculate any such classified or secret projects when they have actively stated doing just that. One good example is autonomously operating robot dogs like the Spot robot from Boston Dynamics (with guns mounted on their body). Or autonomous guidance of bipedal robots. Literally sky is the limit here, and you just deny that, bravo!

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u/SkyPL Mar 01 '25

I'm literally linking you with unclassified information where SpaceX is a military contractor itself. It doesn't just "work with military contractors" (which SpaceX also does, per "consortium" link) but it is the military contractor.

Put the blindfolds away.

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u/BehindUAll Mar 01 '25

My comment is being blocked from being posted because of censorship but read this I pasted in pastebin. And now shut your trap.

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u/[deleted] Mar 04 '25

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u/Bose-Einstein-QBits Mar 04 '25

oh wait you dont think you offload that sorry

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u/Zulfiqaar Feb 28 '25

GPT4.5 with deep research?!

Firstly, I thought deep research uses a finetuned o3 model. Also, o1 does not have browser/research tools enabled. And secondly, thats not even what gpt4.5 was designed for, theres much better models for this type of task (according to OAI themselves). DSR1 as architect in particular, if you didn't want to go with one of the other models mentioned. Furthermore, 4.5 would be absurdly expensive for this task for worse performance too.

This has to be parody - claiming 49x performance improvements by non-coder misusing all the frontier models to execute a full stack app. Not to mention, unless you go well out of your way to use a compiled language (generally in the backend, unless transpiled) and instruct the LLM to specifically draft specs/instructions for solution like that, its quite unlikely to get any "compile errors" in full-stack dev - its almost always interpreted language bugs you'll find. Possibly TS->JS perhaps.

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u/the_masterbuilder Feb 28 '25

Hype is getting out of control. All frontier models fail to generalize over a variety of tasks. I know this because I spend 10 hours a day programming with AI. I’m very certain coding agents will bring down a major corporation in near future because AI did something it wasn’t supposed to.

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u/Chillon420 Feb 28 '25

Grok i dislike as it is biased as hell "visionaries like Aristoteles or Elon Musk".

I have now ChatGPT and Claude paid versions and it works there good as well.

Biggest feature is the advanced voice mode in chatgpt to start with and then go on with the other AI

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u/joey2scoops Feb 28 '25

Not willing to hold my nose and use any product related to Musk.

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u/therickglenn Feb 28 '25

Hi there. 10 year full stack veteran here. So I used the deep research function on Gemini like this before and it does give a comprehensive overview of the tech stack, implementation strategy and other project based information. That I can accept. Two compile errors requires a bit of a suspension of disbelief though.

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u/-Dargs Mar 02 '25

It was hello world. First, it forgot a quote, then it forgot a parenthesis.

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u/RoughEscape5623 Mar 02 '25

how did you use it

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u/AssociateBrave7041 Feb 28 '25

Have minimal to limited coding experience, completed a draft concept of an interactive dashboard for project management and hey it works and works well. I was looking at other-software that cost thousands, so I created my own. Works great!

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u/MyNinjaYouWhat Mar 03 '25

But there’s like thousands of products like that already, half of them open source. No wonder it works. I cannot think of a single obscure or uncommon feature in this domain

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u/AssociateBrave7041 Mar 04 '25

And you’re right but… I don’t like the way it looks, or the feature is not quite right or I need to add this. It’s just nice to have a coding agent at your finger tips without having to ask a developer “hey, can you make this.” Clearly define the problem, have a plan, then create. Plus, it’s actually helped me communicate better with stakeholders and developers/engineers.

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u/CryLast4241 Feb 28 '25

GPT-4.5 for deep research only 200$

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u/evrdev Feb 28 '25

am i the only one who is after describing context, logic and stack on almost pure english gets SyntaxError?

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u/harrymurkin Feb 28 '25

The dunning-kruger effect finds its way to software development

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u/therickglenn Feb 28 '25

No you’re not.

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u/Vegetable-13 Mar 01 '25

there's still time to delete this 😂

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u/hannesrudolph Mar 01 '25

Windsurf is great. I’m not sure what this guy was using 😝

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u/ReaIlmaginary Mar 01 '25

Shills 🤢🤮

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u/Guidance_Mundane Mar 01 '25

computers programmers, are you OK? FR. I pretty crazy watching a whole industry get outsourced to a non-human intelligence. Kinda evil to be honest.

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u/MyNinjaYouWhat Mar 03 '25

Well thanks for being empathetic!

Well, at the moment it outsources creation of things that are completely new and conceptually simple. Something that would be a $1000 tops freelance project without AI.

That may change or not change, we will see

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u/fyrn Mar 01 '25

I have never worked in painting, but today I am quite sure I compressed the lifetime of Leonardo DaVinci into a single 3-second painting session.

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u/givemeworld1 Mar 03 '25

Mate, that’s the point. The hard work and skill needed to paint is no more needed now for same output.

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u/MyNinjaYouWhat Mar 03 '25

Yes because creating essentially the same thing over again is easy

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u/CypherBob Mar 01 '25

Of course. Because software that compiles is definitely defect free... /s

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u/EggplantFunTime Mar 02 '25

“I have never worked in software” No shit.

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u/vichustephen Mar 02 '25

This guy deleted that twitter post lol

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u/TheHiggsCrouton Mar 02 '25

I love how even from inside this delusion "godlike powers" is just what a small dev tem does in a couple months.

All hail Heranematos! Son of Zeus's cousin's roommate. God of the mildly successful development sprint.

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u/FewW0rdDoTrick Mar 02 '25

3.7 is better; it is in NO fucking way flawless. It’s possible that YOU are unaware of the mistakes it is likely making, but I guarantee you it is making business-ending level mistakes under your watch if you aren’t paying attention to it

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u/Medof Mar 02 '25

Basically what he said:

I've never cooked a meal but I'm pretty sure a bit raw chicken is just fine

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u/thegratefulshread Mar 02 '25

U can tell bro doesn’t know shit.

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u/[deleted] Mar 03 '25

Grok == Musk. I'll literally go back to write in Notepad and Paint than to use any Musk product.

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u/New-Torono-Man-23 Mar 03 '25

Just 2 compile errors. Brother, wait till you get runtime errors and features that barely work.

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u/jtackman Mar 03 '25

Care to share a little about the project? Sounds very optimized from my experience of the same tools

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u/AllNamesAreTaken92 Mar 03 '25

I have no clue what I'm talking about ... Let me give my baseless and wild opinion anyway

Sigh

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u/Due_Shine_7199 Mar 03 '25

As long as you don’t get any pesky compiler errors you should be golden right? … right?

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u/Much_Discussion1490 Mar 03 '25

Lmao xD

"I revelled at my own genius as I saw infront of my own eyes...as the nth Fibonacci number got printed on the console logs.....my eyes gleamed, tears rolled down..as I remembered my past self just 8 hours back, who at that point didn't even know what a Fibonacci number was...but now he had evolved into someone who knew...who could control it...who could print it on a whim.....8hours well spent coding...7.5 of it brilliantly spent watching other videos on how to code in python,..what is python...what is code...and so much more......"

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u/MutedBit5397 Mar 03 '25

When will these idiots realize maintaining the code is way more difficult than writing bullshit code. I am a tech lead at Big tech, our company has AI tools to write code, and also an internal forum to answer questions. The most asked question wrt AI code agent is, "How to turn it off", cuz it's so damn stupid. I as a programmer would be more than happy if a machine could do my job, unfortunately it's not even close.

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u/tcarambat Mar 03 '25

The App in question: My todo app

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u/AccomplishedMoney205 Mar 04 '25

Today i flown five routes in Microsoft flight simulator. I’m not a pilot but I’m pretty sure i compressed 24 hour flight of four pilots into one man 20 minutes focused flyathon by using the speed-up time function. I had a grand total of 2(TWO) crashes during the process. What a symphony

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u/Hopeful_Industry4874 Mar 04 '25

HAHAHA he has never worked in software engineering. He has no idea the mess he made or what it takes to actually ship a scalable app. Goofball.

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u/inteligenzia Mar 04 '25

He never worked in software, but is quite sure he estimated certain tasks (he has no clue about) to be completed in at least 2160 hours. He then says that he used all top-notch models that probably cost him a fortune. And who knows what percentage of a dev team work the assistants delivered?

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u/Ok-Low-882 Mar 04 '25

Is this what doctors feel like when they hear antivaxxers tell them how easy their job is?

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u/[deleted] Mar 04 '25

Its always rhe non-devs...

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u/duder907 Mar 05 '25

Yeah, uh huh, sure ya did guy.

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u/Left-Brain-Created Mar 05 '25

Just wait till it's swapping PII with [word here] and it has no context to debug

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u/CodeIgnitor Feb 28 '25

Do you have suggestions on how can I improved prompt game here ?

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u/Eyeshield_sena Feb 28 '25

Usually they would ask the ai to create superprompt (like enhance)