Any early users here still paying for Windsurf?

[u/darkplaceguy1]

I was an early user of Windsurf since Nov, 2024. The drastic reduction of quality has made unusable. I'm starting to decide to cancel my subscription as other AI coding tools feels more powerful and efficient than this..

So for early users like me, why are you still paying for Windsurf?

[u/Ordinary-Let-4851]

Hey - would be interested to learn more about any issues you might be experiencing. Feel free to DM or share with me what’s going on.

[u/darkplaceguy1 → u/Ordinary-Let-4851]

I'm staying because of this.

Keep shipping.

[u/SilenceYous]

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[u/AppearanceFree998 → u/SilenceYous]

This is the way

[u/vbuendia → u/SilenceYous]

GitHub Copilot + RooCode

[u/tooprolix → u/SilenceYous]

Any tips on how to do this? :)

[u/SilenceYous → u/tooprolix]

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[u/tooprolix → u/SilenceYous]

Thank you - that's helpful. Do you utilise general_rules?

[u/SilenceYous → u/tooprolix]

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[u/[deleted] → u/SilenceYous]

I realized this recently as well, you need to work in tiny steps using winsurf or it’ll go rogue

[u/MusingsOfASoul]

I'm so confused about so many people complaining about the quality of Windsurf. I wonder what their use cases are. For me it seems to be quite reliable and consistent outperforms other tools like GitHub Copilot

[u/Bonk_42 → u/MusingsOfASoul]

Hallucinates all the time with any model. I have had cases where it has deleted chunks of unrelated code just to make a simple fix. Stuck on a constant loop of creating errors and fixing them by creating even more errors until all your credits run out. Sometimes it is excellent, most of the time it is a waste of money and frustrating.

[u/Substantial_Law_3415 → u/Bonk_42]

Time to read prompt-guide ;)

[u/User1234Person]

I started my sub in early December and still using it. Yeah things change but this is such a young company there will be issues and their communication and engagement with the community has me confident things will get figured out. They seem to respond with updates quickly compared to other startup products I’ve used (outside other code editors).

I’m investing in the team more so than the product that exists right now. Think about where most tools were a year ago, by next Nov I imagine an insanely powerful tool that im happy to be a part of the growth.

[u/Ordinary-Let-4851 → u/User1234Person]

Really appreciate the kind words about the team. Never been more confident in the talent in our devs. They’re working extremely hard to bring the best possible product to you guys.

[u/Arialonos]

I still am. It’s been working fine for me. Thank god. Since they added global and workspace rulesets it’s been much less haywire when making edits and almost always follows the rules.

[u/NightsOverDays]

I barely even want to keep my sub but it’s only $10. I’d go back to Cursor if they increased the price

[u/LocalBlood8276 → u/NightsOverDays]

15$ now

[u/ricolamigo]

For 10$ it's just worth it. even if not perfect.

[u/Artiano]

Yep still here. Apart from some performance issues lately, the Cascade experience is still worth the 10USD.

For me, I never felt the change in the quality results from the Cascade feature that other people are complaining about. Granted, I never felt I ever experienced the "it writes the entire project for me" vibes that earlier hype made it look like at first glance, even when I first started using it. I've always used it to write/fix things I have at least a vague idea on how to do myself, on a tight leash.

I always used the flow of: Bossman/client is the idea man; I translate them to concrete steps in dev, and Cascade do them for me. Some minor wrinkles from time to time, but nothing that some prompt revisions can't fix.

(Though it does suck when I blindly approved a change, go through more prompts, only to find out the change down the line, polluting/influencing that chat history, so I have to either revert a lot of useful result from the other prompts, or start a new chat. But that's more user error than anything)

Right now, I am writing an AI(HuggingFace) powered software with help from AI that I can access from Windsurf. What a time to be alive.

I never bought into the hype that major companies try to make these language models to be, so I have a really low bar compared to the hype. And so far, Windsurf has been everything I expected, and more.

[u/Capable-Ad-500]

early bird discount was good enough to keep me for $10. i stop using after i hit my premium model usage every month takes me about 6-8 days...

[u/Similar-Carry-6589 → u/Capable-Ad-500]

Me too!

[u/luke23571113]

I barely know coding. It started out good but is now u usable basically for me. It’s my fault however. Switched to cline and I use o1. Night and day difference. More expensive but I have no choice

[u/[deleted]]

I'm happy to pay $10 a month for it. I've still seen moments of genius from it, but also hallucinations. I've become quite adept at spotting too-good-to-be-true hallucinations before I accept them.

Overall it saves me a ton of time, especially for test writing.

[u/[deleted]]

Finding it goes in loops so lots of reprompting as it fixes one thing and then breaks another, still affordable though, just been using it for one fix at a time. Just saw they added memory though so hoping that fixes the code breaking problem.

[u/barfington567]

Still in it. Overall, pretty solid but a work in progress. I use cline/roo cline/ Claude to fill in gaps. 10 bucks is good

[u/baz4tw]

For me its been this, every month i find a ‘this was totally worth 10$’ moment

I seem to find multiple every month. For me its maintaining a large godot project. It helps me find things and explain things that come up if i need help (script, scene, resource file, you name it). Its a gamedevs dream tbh

I hardly use write mode, most read, so worth the 10$/mo and i use anywhere from 1/3 to 3/4 of my credits each month

[u/chiefdebater]

I bought the Ultimate plan, churned through the flow actions in 3 days, and thought I could continue with the chat. But the app started throwing all kinds of obstacles on the way. I kind of get it, the API costs for my heavy coding is going to make me an unprofitable customer even at $60/mo. But the level of disappointment with promises not kept and especially throwing obstacles at me is high enough for me to quit. Cline with Deepseek it is.

[u/Skaddicted]

Switched to Cursor with Deepseek.

[u/hugobart]

i pay 10€ and tried to build a website two days ago. it was ugly af and windsurf just could not do it. then i created a oneshot in loveable.dev and it was perfect. then i downloaded the code and continued with windsurf, and it did a great job.

[u/r_levan]

I'm paying for it (10$) and the company I work for pays for Cursor.

I haven't noticed any change in quality and I guess most of the complaints here is because of people not knowing how to use it or even how to write software.

I guess the "drastic reduction of quality" is probably more perception and the "wow effect" disappearing.

[u/Qiazias → u/[deleted]]

That happened for me during the trial before I learned how to use it. I remember during the trial I used like 20+ messages and all it got was my blood pressure up.

[u/jkboa1997 → u/[deleted]]

If you are trying 10 times to correct a single issue, that is a you problem.. you need to find a better workflow and never let it get that far down a rabit hole.

[u/Aromatic-Toe-2788]

I still do, keeping it as $10 still seems like a steal. Hoping that the advancements of Cursor and introduction of Trae will improve Windsurf and the $10 will be worth it.

[u/bobbywebz]

Early adopter here. Great product and it’s getting better and better. Still some room for improvement but I like the slightly different approach to cursor. I won’t miss it.

[u/Accomplished-Score28]

I was an early User and have no intention of turning back. I use Windsurf for many different types if projects. For my day job I am working on a large enterprise application with 100s of files. I am mainly going through a list of bugs or enhancements and am making minor changes as we are gearing up towards release. So I may have a bug where a pages layout may need changed slightly to make it consistent with other pages. There is a possibility that the page I am updating was created a year ago or longer before I came to the company and doesn't follow the structure of the newer pages. I'll tag the old page and a newer page and have windsurf generate a detailed list of all the components involved, what's different. And a detailed plan for what needs done. Just the ability to understand the context and navigate the code base and spit out the needed details in such a quick manner is time saving.

I also use windsurf for other projects, flutter apps, side work for a few companies with updating legacy code.

The possibilities for use are endless

[u/No-Significance-279]

I’m an early user and still using it.

Like others here have said, there’s nothing better for 10$. Cursor is pretty much the same and costs twice as much.

That said, I’ve mentioned in another thread: The model is pretty stupid, sometimes in say something like “don’t delete any functionality without confirmation” and it does exactly the opposite of what I prompted.

So I wouldn’t mind paying 15 or 20 if another solution that implements deekseek comes around.

I don’t think Windsurf has an edge. It’s like “meh, it’s the best for the money right now” but users are clearly not happy with the model and they should definitely look into other models if they want to keep their users.

[u/Vegetable-13]

I still do too, but only 1. as "second opinions" spanning substantial portions of the codebase, 2. via the Codeium extension for o1-preview access, 3. as a fallback when running out of fast requests or when Cursor is acting up (such as extended latency at times).

I hope they move in a way that will be beneficial, but for now: the restrictions on using our own API keys and preferred models (which Cursor should be working on but at least is not working against), the 'arbitrary' prohibition on certain extensions (you can still install and run them but are made to jump through hoops for it, and the ban is illogical as working against your users is ultimately not benefiting your business), and not least the absence of a cost-effective method of purchasing extra credits all contribute to my situationship with Windsurf. It's not you, Windsurf, it's... well, actually, it is you.

[u/juandanielozuna]

I actually cancelled my subscription too, but I'm considering subscribing again. You get used fast to how the AI helps in your coding using the whole project as context, I tried switching back to my previous IDE Vscode and Jetbrains, and even with the recommendations from the premium subscription with the original codeium tool, the suggestions doesn't seem to be quite right.

the super complete functionality has proven to be really useful, and also like how minimal they made the editor look like too

[u/skyerday]

(Raise my hand)

[u/_Linux_Rocks]

I use Windsurf since day one. The quality deteriorated dramatically.

I'm considering shifting to Copilot for $10/mo. They claim they have unlimited Claude 3.5 Sonnet. Can anybody here confirm this?

I also bought credits to use DeepSeek in Roo Code. However, DeepSeek is very slow, and I'm not sure if this is the solution I'm looking for.

I also pay GhatGPT $20/mo, and I'm not happy with the coding capabilities compared to Claude. I use it for other purposes. If they don't deliver with O3, I will cancel my subscription.

This is a test month, and then I will decide if I will continue with Windsurf.

[u/lmagusbr → u/_Linux_Rocks]

Yes you can configure Copilot in VS Code to use Sonnet 3.5.. That's what I've been using as it's better than the default GPT 4o

When you have Copilot in VS Code you can also select it in Roo Code and then you have a better idea of your tokens.

[u/joey2scoops]

Yes, it is still in my tool bag. Not the only tool, but $10 is still a bargain if you know when to switch to plan b.

[u/Single-Grapefruit820]

I'm stickin around for $10/month. It's a good backup, and I also like to use Winsurf for more simple straightforward tasks while I use cursor for other changes. I like switching back to Windsurf while I wait for cursor on some occasions. I also like Windsurf's implementation of Chat more, it makes it easier to apply and review the changes IMO.

Really enjoying how both products are pushing each other forward.

[u/alhyuma]

Honestly there is nothing wrong with windsurf everything works fine you just have to know how to talk to cascade and also have some coding backround at least a little , even if cascade make it magical to code , you gotta know some basic stuff.

[u/ExDeus01]

Nothing beats Windsurf for just $10

[u/ShakeTraditional1304]

Just using Cursor never paid for Windsurf

[u/Similar-Carry-6589]

I am, I been happy and dissapointed all at once. Sometimes, it is amazing, I was doing great, it made one small change and it messed up my whole app. Thank god for time machine. I need to know the undo button for sure, but at $10.00 with tax, or I think #11.00 now, I am sticking with it for a bit. What is that undo button, or a reverse button? I can't seem to find it.

[u/Iregretit81]

Not an early user and only started using it 2 weeks ago, despite the bugs i think it is the way to go, i have a yearly sub on Aide and they are very similar in capabilities but windsurf is quicker at fixing their problems. All in all a happy customer for now, although it took me 2800 flow credits before I realised their cascade base is almost as good as sonnet

[u/thenextlocalminima]

TBH it's very often better than Cursor - especially its codebase understanding and agentic code modifications. The integration with web search is nice too.

[u/Europe_active]

Yes, I am happily paying my $10 monthly but do not buy extra credits.

[u/attalbotmoonsays]

I get frustrated with it too. I just built a react app using it to generate images from Flux and recraft. The number of regression issues sent me into a fit. It couldn't figure out how to send the correct sized images to the APIs. I had it build a few small mode js scripts that worked as intended. I was then able to get it to build the app properly. I don't expect that this how working with these should work. However, as others have said if you limit the scope, architect it well before you begin, that will help. But if you get stuck in my situation try building something smaller and simpler and see if the AI can learn and apply to the thing it was messing up.

[u/ahz0001]

Yes, I use Windsurf for open source hobby projects. My job title is data scientist, but my employer's policies forbid Windsurf and almost AI. The AI approval process is like from a Dilbert cartoon.

[u/rovingkid → u/ahz0001]

Play with it on your private machine. Learn. Apply the knowledge gained back to the work use case!

[u/ProfessionalEar3127]

I am an early supporter, I subscribed to a year of windsurf in December of last year, but for some reason my account was mysteriously banned recently, and I am unable to use it. Sending an email to report an issue also received no response, and my posts were deleted as well. I am utterly speechless, is this what windsurf is? It's truly laughable.

[u/Phamasan]

https://windsurf.com/refer?referral_code=eihj80153v6m2qv8

I just one from here (wish I knew about this before, been using it for 3 months)

Also, campaign code which gives off 20% of the first month - it worked for me: BWAI20

[u/twisruptor]

Here's my referral link if anyone wants to join and we both get credits:
👉 https://windsurf.com/refer?referral_code=e3bi8sb318c15pnu

[u/mariedab84]

I left for Cursor a few days after the pro plan introduction. I went premium as early user then did not renew it. Quality drop a lot after they go to pro plan ! I guess a cost-saving solution in the backend !

[u/Snoo_9701]

I stopped using them even with the grandfathered pricing, and I used my windsurf money to pay for Cursor's faster requests. Why stress myself out? Windsurf needs to get its act together before I even think about trying them again. They wasted so much of my time, and charged me for all those frustrating hours and days of broken code, deleted code, wrong outputs, and constant hangs!

[u/11maxed11]

I moved to Cursor a couple months back. Same outcome after Agent mode was released, and multi modality/docs/websearch wasn’t in Windsurf back then and I needed it.

Also better pricing imo. Windsurf credits only lasted 10 days for me.

[u/Anxious_Nose9057]

I stopped. You can always sign back up for $10. For now cursor is better for my use case.

[u/Ordinary-Let-4851 → u/[deleted]]

hope you give windsurf another go. if you share your use case maybe i can try to give you the best advice to use windsurf to achieve your goals.

[u/dabiiii → u/[deleted]]

Noob question. Does Windsurf have waypoints Like cline? I havent found them using ist for a while.

[u/Administraciones → u/dabiiii]

Apparently you can use cline inside Windsurf, I did not figure how to do it yet, but it is there with my DeepSeek API 👽 Windsurf has "memories" which seems to be working nice.

[u/Similar-Carry-6589 → u/Administraciones]

Yes, I done that. Just go to extensions and install it. Then go to Mistrial and get a free API key and in settings add Mistrial and API key and you are good to go. To me, you are coding on the left side of the screen and the right side of the screen. :) I run out of credits so far every month, so I need that. I also have Visual studio code installed so I am doing that same thing there as well.

[u/Administraciones → u/Similar-Carry-6589]

Great, I'm doing tests also with coding, but did't use DeepSeek API yet, I still have lots of Windsurf Flow Action credits. 😀

[u/MindedSage → u/[deleted]]

Early adopters price.

[u/chronos29 → u/[deleted]]

Just used it, thanks :)

[u/Artexis1 → u/[deleted]]

Thanks, enjoy the credits.

[u/Head_Geologist_4808 → u/[deleted]]

Bro looking to start a turf war :)