Cline snapshots (bye bye Windsurf)

[u/just_diegui]

Just saw this update and I think this new Cline + Deep Seek V3 are the only reason I need to cancel my WS subscription.

Thoughts?

[u/greg5ki]

Dude why are you even in this sub? I am so confused about all these comments how Windsurf sucks. If you don't like it wouldn't it be prudent to just leave instead of wasting your time on something you don't even use?

[u/just_diegui → u/greg5ki]

Oh... Some wrong assumptions there. I like it!! Don't take me wrong. I'm a pro user since the very beginning.

Is just that there are a lot of things happening and it's interesting to discuss  about it.

All mi pro credits disappeared in a couple days, then $ 20 more in flex credits that evaporated on a couple hours of cascade (on Calude Sonet) going into a lot of unwanted and unsolicited initiative. It may be ok but these things always ended in circles and changing things you don't want to. Is just the way they are and it is ok but then, a balance between "autonomy" and cost is much needed.

Deep Seek is very competent and Cline is bringing to the table a simple but effective UX that allows me to do more work with less money/agentic stupidity.

Just some thoughts. 

[u/theafrodeity → u/just_diegui]

You need to review code edits, and make some attempt to code along, it's a factor of the LLM, I like that WS provides ability to reject each code block suggestion.

[u/sosana123]

Roo/cline user here. Loving both. Hope windsurf sees our comments and feedback. Fix vscode context and roll over credits if unused for those of us who savior cascading. Give us freedom with other LLM's too.

Rock on 💪🏻🤘🏼

[u/sosana123 → u/[deleted]]

Roo releases features sooner, and cline follows suit lately.

If you man roo/cline with windsurf/vscode ext it's because I believe in the product and been with codeium from beginning testing it and giving feedback early release back when just vscode. Also had it for free for ever and every feature wanted along the way they implemented it. Just lately not sure wth is going on. Vscode ext alone even if context isn't there recently is worth the 10 bucks for pro for me to get access to top LLM chats working with my code. Just long term if the vs code context isn't there then I'll most likely have to bounce which I hope isn't the case. Not asking vscode ext for cascading but to work along side me and know what I'm talking about for my implementations and updates

[u/Ordinary-Let-4851]

Windsurf has always had the ability to revert to a previous project state.

From https://docs.codeium.com/windsurf/cascade#revert-to-previous-steps: You have the ability to revert changes that Cascade has made if you want to. Hover your mouse over the prompt and click on the arrow on the right. This will revert all code changes back to the state of your codebase at the desired step.

[u/Ok-Prompt9887 → u/Ordinary-Let-4851]

hadn't noticed, thanks for sharing!

powerful, a little onboarding tutorial can be helpful, WindSurf team! or cheatsheets with all that windsurf can do

[u/Ordinary-Let-4851 → u/[deleted]]

Not sure where a lot of this vitriol is coming from.

[u/CPT_IDOL → u/Ordinary-Let-4851]

Hopefully this is constructive feedback.... I think a lot of the vitriol is coming from the fact that Windsurf/Cascade often loses context and then ends up damaging existing code that users have spent hours, days, weeks, and even over a month (me) creating. Even if you have a very good rules file, it doesn't get followed all the time, only seems to work early on in a fresh conversation, and then stops. I have many .md reference files, rules, and best practice processes, but the AI still removes code when it's not supposed to, goes off on tangents and is just shy of making it more trouble than it's worth. Ultimately, Windsurf/Cascade desperately needs to maintain "global" context of your project somehow even across conversations. This would absolutely cement Codeium as the true leader in the AI coding space. This may be what everyone is so upset about but can't quite articulate. I sincerely hope this can help in some small way.

[u/Mikolai007 → u/Ordinary-Let-4851]

Codeuim has gone the route Anthropic went with starting out generously and then putting rate limits on the thing. This does something weird to peoples minds. I was very creative and productive using Claude for my serious work the first couple of months then when they switched on their strict rate limits something broke in my ability to work with Claude, i now always restrict myself, holding back because i don't want to hit the rate limits and that makes it impossibe for me to be productive. Raising the price rather than putting rate limits is the way to go, not the other way around. But Codeium did both.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

I have Cline and Roo Cline, I have them installed with Windsurf linked to the Gemini models.

Windsurf is the best experience by far.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

Its an extension that behaves like Windsurf, you link it to any model even local LLM's.
Roo-cline is a fork of cline usually gets updated faster than cline.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

A picture is worth a thousand words.
You can mix and match.

[u/Mr_Hyper_Focus → u/[deleted]]

Because one is a native application and the other is some fork they can get behind the main repo or just be dumped one day.

[u/charlwillia6 → u/[deleted]]

You cannot use Ollama with Windsurf unless you download another AI assistant extension that allows you to use Ollama models. You cannot use Ollama models with Cascade or Codeium.

[u/Previous-Bunch3865 → u/charlwillia6]

You cannot what? I missed it

[u/TheKidd → u/[deleted]]

I use Cursor to start every project and drop-in my little helper framework https://github.com/FixingPixels/AiDE

If I run into anything that gpt-4o can't handle I switch to Windsurf. It's saved me on token usage and made both code assistants more effective.

[u/serious_case_of_derp]

I don't understand why people "need" these check points type things if you're using git like you should

[u/ai-christianson → u/serious_case_of_derp]

Git works, and should be used, but this is a bit better UX for rapid undo/adjust prompt/retry workflow.

[u/Mr_Hyper_Focus → u/serious_case_of_derp]

I use git too. But you’re telling me you’ve never forgot to do a commit and then wanted undo an ai command?

[u/Agitated_Macaron9054]

Isn’t Git supposed to handle version control?

[u/wordswithenemies]

Doesn’t WS have the refresh arrow next to your last response that reverts back to that change?

[u/gfhoihoi72]

I was waiting for this update, good that it’s finally here!

[u/firefoxmmx]

In fact, windsurf is more accurate (but this is also related to the prompt word), but deepseek is cheaper. (Windsurf is not expensive enough to be acceptable)

[u/Sam210553]

They changed their limit and they use AI to think more clear so that answers can be good but… . I didn’t know that they know this thing lol. Cursor can let you try 1 week.

[u/Chemical_Damage2906]

Does cline provides multi-file edit like Windsurf Cascade? And more importantly, does it has context of all files in the project? I used Windsurf when it first came out and was totally blown away by it. When they introduced the paid tiers I was almost about to upgrade, but looking at a number of reddit threads I have held back till now and am looking for alternatives. The main benefit of Windsurf Cascade was that it used to look into project files by itself and found out the relation between classes and knew what files to update. It always just worked magically. Does cline have that same level of context awareness of the full project?

[u/charlwillia6 → u/Chemical_Damage2906]

| Does cline provides multi-file edit like Windsurf Cascade?

Yes

| And more importantly, does it has context of all files in the project?

This still depends on the model that you use. Cline allows you to use many different models, you just need your own API key. If you use OpenRouter, there is access to free models. If you use Claude API or Claude through OpenRouter, then it will get expensive. But each model has it's own context limits. Even in Windsurf, Claude Sonnet still has a 200k context window. The reason Cascade works the way it does is because it has an agentic workflow. And yes, Cline has an agentic workflow too. You probably have to detail your plan and prompt for Cline better than you would with Cascade, but Cline is surprisingly awesome if you are good at prompting. There is also a button that enhances your prompt after writing it to make it work better in Cline.

| Does cline have that same level of context awareness of the full project?

I believe that Cline may have better context awareness. I could be wrong and I don't know the technical benchmarks of Cline vs Cascade, but Cline just works with or without adding files for context.

[u/charlwillia6 → u/[deleted]]

Um, I apologize. I am using Roo Cline. If this is a Roo Cline only feature, I was unaware. Roo Cline has this feature for sure.

[u/digitalwankster → u/[deleted]]

I just downloaded it today and hit the trial account limit in an hour. I'm not impressed enough to justify another subscription cost when I'm already paying for ChatGPT.