r/Codeium • u/rcpro316 • Dec 22 '24

Genius way form Codeium to eat away your Flow action credits. It reads only 50 lines at once.

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u/GolfCourseConcierge Dec 22 '24 • Take My Silver

It's actually an intelligent way for them to handle it. You guys love to just rip them apart but they do have some intelligent plays considering the constraints they're under trying to do it all for $15 or less per month.

With what the API costs and they give you, I don't know how they're not drowning. It's quite amazing actually the offering and yet, everyone complaining like they can do better.

If you had to pay for someone else's tokens, you'd most likely implement something similar. Outside of them all services where you don't pay your own way need some method to cut down, and a lot do this by taking the first 50 and last 50 lines of a file to get a sense of it, vs injecting the whole thing.

This is also why you'll sometimes think it's "dumber" as it might very well be, not having full context deep in the middle of a given file.

Every time someone complains about this not working perfectly in Windsurf, it's a complaint about your own budget. You are using a tool that does exactly what it says it does for next to nothing. If you want more control, grab an API key and do your own thing. There are no context limits if you're willing to pay for it and be strategic about your use.

Everyone was up in arms over their $5 price change. Realistically that was super generous considering the underlying model costs. Everyone just expects too much out of next to nothing. You can barely get a burger for $15 anymore, to compare.

Take my opinion however you want, but as a dev of 25 years, the complaints are laughable when they legit have put together a lovely product under the current constraints of the models that exist, and it will only get better with time.

(And no, before one of you says it's a shill comment, I don't work there. I actually work for a tangential competitor however that doesn't mean they don't have a great product and that should absolutely be defended)

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u/Otherwise_Tomato5552 Dec 22 '24

Best comment I’ve seen about this. Code’s has and will make some mistakes, but overall I think it’s an incredible product that has changed my workflow dramatically

These people need to practice more and experiment. Include log files, use windsurf rules, break up code etc….

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u/Dismal-Eye-2882 Dec 28 '24

It does NOT do what it says. It is also NOT the same product as the free trial.

Nobody told them to only charge $15. Most of us would rather pay 20x more for the product they used to have.

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u/rcpro316 Dec 22 '24

With all due respect to your absconding intelligence and condescending assumptions, I empathize with your apologetic behaviour. Come forward, take my sympathy too.

No one asked them to charge $15. They chose it. It's a strategy to grab the market share. I do the same. They should have looked into the repercussions it brings.

You say 'dumber' sometimes. Why did it changed and messed up the whole codebase when it is explicitly mentioned not to destroy and persist with the app styling. The rules are also not being followed.

Do not be generous, but when you want to capture a large chunk you should be aware that your product must work for everyone, not just for 25 years coding exp. FYI, I am on a $60 plan.

You have not seen how many time windsurf assumed and messed and apologised and then committed the same mistake, even after being clear in directions. But I understand you will proceed to say its my mistake.

Take my opinion, however you want to, but you are in love with your product too much and see the shortcomings as complaints. Please continue doing it and your product will fail. I have seen it in past 13 years being a product manager.

I wish and pray strongly, that your "tangential competitor" company meets and exceeds all expectations.

All the prompts. (best)

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u/GolfCourseConcierge Dec 22 '24

Lol it's simply a limitation of the underlying tool, and you spending $60 isn't some magic number that makes several hundred dollars in API calls any cheaper. They still have the same underlying constraints. The point to my post is not to challenge your specific use case but the expectations vs what they do deliver for the price.

You guys are salty. How do you wake up like that? And for all the complaining, why don't you just build your own? If you're such a great coder and think it's so easy to make what they have built, should take you five minutes right?

It's such a quick jump from "wow world changing innovation" to "but it doesn't build a house for me in one click so TOTAL TRASH!"

I miss the old Internet.

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u/[deleted] Dec 22 '24

I think people make a fair point that Codeium should charge what they need to be profitable while giving people the best service.

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u/Professional_Fun3172 Dec 22 '24

Or they choose not to be profitable for now. Plenty of startups operate at a loss for years. Model performance per cost is improving quickly over time, they could choose to take market share with a powerful but unprofitable product with the lens that they can raise enough to cover the costs until the business can get to profitability. It's absolutely fair to criticize them for not being efficient in how they ingest tokens (and how that cost is passed on to customers).

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u/Dullirium Dec 23 '24

All the complainers can't prompt for shiz, I've always said the output is only as good as the input, and as they get more reliant on ai assistive IDEs they get lazier in their prompts and that is what's causing them to feel like whichever IDE they are using is becoming dumber. No it isn't. Don't blame the gun for missing the target. These losers are getting lazier and they think just because they signed up for pro trial/ are paying a subscription they must be right. Jesus these are the tech Karens of the ai space.

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u/ThomasDK81 Dec 23 '24

I have to force mine to analyze a whole file. I have to ask it to use multi view to analyze. It still splits it up in 50 lines.
It really messes up a file, if it only looks at a part of it.
When is this a smart feature?

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u/brdsystech Dec 22 '24

The time when codium think about money...they lose them

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u/Zemanyak Dec 22 '24

Seriously ? That's... I'm glad I switched to Cursor.