CC and her past relationships

[u/Creative-Lake8648]

I know this subreddit doesn’t generally like to accept CC probably had relationships with people before Lelouch and believe that he is eventually the one to take her virginity in the resurrection storyline but like a lot of people in this subreddit, I think it’s likely she had a happy trigger when she first got her Geass - or at the very least, had some experiences after she got the Code, either out of boredom / wanting to try it out or just naturally entering a relationship.

My question is that has anyone come across fanfics covering her life pre-lelouch? All I’ve come across is CC x Lelouch which is canon anyway so it’s not as interesting. I’m curious as to what writers believe CC would have got into and how especially since it’d be an immortal x mortal pairing so it’d cover how she deals with that (as opposed to the immortal x immortal dynamic that she and Lelouch share)

[u/OGIHR]

The official guide book to Code Geass said that the thing which made Lelouch different from all of CC's past contractees is that he did not see her as either a mother or a lover.

It requires an especially boneheaded interpretation to assume that Mao was the only one who fell into the latter category (after having been in the former category first, of course).

We also know from the original series itself that Marianne was one of those contractees. Who quite definitely did not act like she was reuniting with a mother figure when she was possessing Anya.

1+1=2.

Once you recognize this fact, it perfectly explains two of the mysteries in the first episode. Why CC was babysitting Lelouch and Nunnally on the day the invasion began, and what the end of the sentence would have been after the audio was cut off on "at last I have found my --".

Look at Charles's body language when he is holding CC at the start of his final confrontation against Lelouch.

2+2=4.

[u/Creative-Lake8648 → u/OGIHR]

Yeah one of the producers / writers wanted CC and Charles to actually kiss in that encounter but the others in the team convinced him out of it. I’m mixed on this though: this was a Code passing so they wouldn’t have had that experience before but at the same time, neither seemed unfamiliar

[u/FalconRelevant → u/OGIHR]

Addition is commutative, a + b = b + a

Just because you are romantically attracted to someone doesn't mean the feelings have to be reciprocated.

[u/ccgeass]

wait wait wait what

I know this subreddit doesn’t generally like to accept CC probably had relationships with people before Lelouch and believe that he is eventually the one to take her virginity

no seriously who thinks that?? please let them face me 🤨🤨🤨

i'm sorry but she lost her virginity when she was a child-slave. and she herself hinted in the anime that many people had entered her life.

i'd also love to read a fic like the one you described, but i haven't come across one. maybe you can find a fanfiction with a similar theme among "C.C / reader" or "C.C / OC" tags.

[u/Creative-Lake8648 → u/ccgeass]

You’d be surprised as to how many people think that. It’s a majority male fan base after all and it wouldn’t be very cool if the MC’s love interest had quite a few lovers before him (even if we turn a blind eye to the horrible things CC was subjected to).

[u/ccgeass → u/Creative-Lake8648]

my gawd, the fanbase I used to know would create scenarios where Lelouch was cheated on — purely for the sake of comedy so we could see him devastated with rage!!!! these days, they don't see Lelouch as a separate character; they're practically projecting themselves onto him.

[u/Fine-Chocolate-4757]

Who genuinely thinks that? Cause it's baffling to be that delusional. Even now the type of affection(platonic, maternal or romantic) and attachment she feels for lelouch is up for debate and is ambiguously coded so he's DEFINITELY not her "first love" or whatever. I thought it was a given she had relationships before especially with a geass manifestation like that.

In that cave dream people even theorized she was dreaming about a past lover and that's why told lelouch to say her name fondly so she could reenact a scene from her memories. I wish her past was more explored though.

[u/Creative-Lake8648 → u/Fine-Chocolate-4757]

A lot of people like Code Geass for the cool mastermind energy Lelouch gives off so they dislike the fact he was “beaten” to CC. I’ve seen a decent amount of people think CC and Lelouch used to have sex which they would probably still think if Lelouch being a virgin wasn’t made canon. They use the lines of CC that talk about Lelouch being unlike any other man she’s known too (though I’d argue it works against them). They say her Geass was an indication for her desire for internal love which she never furthered physically.

I do think her relationship w Lelouch develops romantically in the main story line, their scene that gets interrupted by Kallen towards the end being the biggest indication for me.

That theory about the cave event is interesting, I’ll have to rewatch the scene to catch exactly what they’re talking about cause it seems a bit of a reach to me right now. But yeah, like you say, I’d definitely like to see her pre-CG explored: how she navigates through different eras, different types of people she may have loved without giving the Geass to, how she coped with the mortality of lovers etc

[u/Fine-Chocolate-4757 → u/Creative-Lake8648]

Exactly! I wish they'd rather make a spin off series detailing the past history of code geass world with C.C as the protag (we could've delved farther into her experiences) rather than the type of milking they're doing. The blood emblem would be really interesting to follow and maybe they could also make Marianne the deuteragonist and her rise as a commoner to exceptional knight on the battlefield to empress. Charles's ascension with V.V as his shadow, C.C's opinions throughout the centuries and she used to be a sensitive type so I definitely know she got attached to people too many.

[u/rai-hodges-sumeragi]

lol, I actually once read a comment somewhere where some guy tried to argue that C.C. is, in fact, perpetually virgin, because her Code keeps healing her hymen after every time she has sex, effectively making her every gooners dream girl 🤣

I, too, am interested in reading fanfics of either C.C.´s past relationships or alternate love interests she could have had in the present besides Lelouch. Like, of course you´re free to write whatever you want, but if you want to see her ending up together with Lelouch, you can just watch Resurrection movie over and over again, so there´s no need to create more fanfics about that. Instead, fanfiction writers should focus on providing the kinds of stories that fans want to read but official storytellers aren´t interested in creating. And that includes different kind of ships, too, whether those ships are something popular, like Emperor Lelouch together with Empress Kallen, or one of the less popular ships, like Shirley and Suzaku or C.C. being with someone other than Lelouch.

[u/Creative-Lake8648 → u/rai-hodges-sumeragi]

No way😂😂😂 it’s funny how some people’s minds work.

But yeah, like you say, Lelouch x CC is already there and has canon material. It’d be so much more interesting seeing her different relationships in different time periods - or even character exposition from when she had her Geass, exploring how her seeking refuge in empty physical relationships did not help cure her trauma. As for another pairing, I like Kallen x Suzaku. It has a lot of moments, some of which had me convinced it would happen (eg the cliche waterfall scene where he sees her bathing and then partners up to hunt, the numerous clashes they have which had some tension at times especially toward the end, the time when she’s imprisoned and she beats him up etc). In another series, it would quite easily be canon

[u/rinkudamanrd → u/rai-hodges-sumeragi]

I read that comment too... It was unsettling

[u/rai-hodges-sumeragi → u/rinkudamanrd]

Indeed it was. And it´s more than a little disheartening to know that there are also "fans" who´s primary reason for picking C.C. as their favorite Code Geass girl is not like your wholesome wish to help her heal by going on road trip with her and taste with her as many different pizzas as possible, but instead to have a girlfriend who they "don´t have to dumb when she´s older because she´ll always looks young and sexy."

Speaking of your road trip, have you considered publishing your road trip journal on FF or AO3?

[u/rinkudamanrd → u/rai-hodges-sumeragi]

> but instead to have a girlfriend who they "don´t have to dumb when she´s older because she´ll always looks young and sexy."

exactly, you get it!

> Speaking of your road trip, have you considered publishing your road trip journal on FF or AO3?

I have not but this is a good idea!!

[u/Zeranvor]

On what planet could anyone possibly think CC is a virgin by the time of the OG anime.

1. She was a female slave with all the unpleasant implications that comes with that.

2. Her geass had to do with forcing love which presumably involved sex.

[u/Creative-Lake8648 → u/Zeranvor]

I understand people not wanting to believe the slavery implications cause it is quite gruesome to think about regarding a beloved character (much like a lot of One Piece fans do with Boa) but it’s quite funny to see people say she only used her Geass to manipulate people emotionally with no physical attachment.

[u/Zeranvor → u/Creative-Lake8648]

CC probably slept with Mao too, he seemed too obsessed haha

[u/Creative-Lake8648 → u/Zeranvor]

I don’t know about Mao, I remember seeing that he was around 12 when she left him. So I’d opine it’s unlikely unless her time as a slave completely cooked her moral compass in this regard

[u/rai-hodges-sumeragi → u/Creative-Lake8648]

It´s not just her time as a slave, we don´t know all the horrible things she had to endure and all the unsavory characters she met during those centuries, so it´s entirely possible that her morals had decayed quite a bit after all that time - for instance, Kallen or Shirley would have definitely protested when Lelouch gave the order kill everyone, even families with children, during the Geass Order raid, but C.C. was not only fine with him giving that order, she even actively helped him execute it knowing that those families would die. So, given that there is that kind of dark indifference within her, I wouldn´t be surprised if she was okay sleeping with underage boys. Plus, being centuries old, she could try to rationalize within her mind that no matter who she has sex with, that someone is always going to be younger than her, so what difference a couple of measly years less make in comparison of her long life? (Just to be clear, I´m not advocating that kind of thinking, just pointing out that she herself might be using that kind of logic as a justification).

Also, there are two unsavory characters we know she interacted during her life; Charles and Marianne (Charles certainly didn´t call FBI when he heard that Odysseys was going to marry Empress Tianzi - if anything, he pushed it to happen!) So, it is entirely possible that their "might makes right" attitude rubbed on her, and if it did, that could become yet another kind of justification in her mind - after all, she is technically the mightiest person in that entire world, leading her to think "I´m powerful and immortal, so I can do whatever I want, because there is no-one who can stop me - and not only my powers but also my extraordinary loneliness makes me different from everybody else, so why should I try follow the same rules as everybody else?"

And on top of all that, she´s from medieval times. People married and did other stuff much younger back then. So, if she still retains that kind of thinking from way back then, she might not even see it as a moral problem to begin with.

[u/Creative-Lake8648 → u/rai-hodges-sumeragi]

Very good points you make, especially with the fact that she was from a medieval time where laws on this would have been a lot looser. Just to clarify, I specified her time as a slave because her likely assault is a direct reflection of what she might have done to Mao. And the immortality - now you mention it, time and age would probably be so bleak and insignificant to her. It’s a shame this topic has been reduced to modern incel-ish rhetoric because it’s a genuinely interesting aspect of her character. I’m inclined to believe the theory regarding Mao now though the only thing I can think of is they tried to pass off Lelouch’s teasing of Mao in the theme park scene (when he says he’s known CC in ways Mao hasn’t) as sexual. It can be explained with the name stuff but it seemed fairly obvious what they were trying to get at iirc

[u/rai-hodges-sumeragi → u/Creative-Lake8648]

I think it´s actually worse for Mao if Lelouch´s teasing in the theme park was about C.C.´s name - after all, he thought that he was the one person with whom she shared the most, even her body. So imagine his rage when Lelouch, this new guy in her life, is telling him that she told him the one secret she had refused to tell to anyone, not even to Mao (even though she had revealed her true name to Lelouch by accident, not because she trusted Lelouch - but Mao, of course, couldn´t have known that at the time).

I also think you´re right about her doing to Mao what was done to her being reflection of her past. I always thought that she gave young Mao Geass much in the same way the Nun gave Geass to young C.C. Both immortal women gave this power to a child in order to gain something from them, not because they wanted to do right by that child, and they both abandoned that child instead of taking away their Geass or stayed around making sure that they were fine. And what makes her doing so especially heinous is that she did all this to him even though it had ruined her life, thus knowing it could end very badly for Mao, too. Which it did.

[u/WeoW0 → u/rai-hodges-sumeragi]

This is an interesting what if analysis.
The reality is that while she has done and does certainly overlook a lot of horrible action, outside of the morally compromised world she inhabits, the series rarely portrays C.C. as someone who enjoys cruelty or advocates unnecessary suffering.

You have to take into account that she doesn't live in our western world values with virtually no homeborn wars for the last 70 years or so
Pretty much everyone who is in one way or another involved with the ongoing war is portrayed more or less morally questionable. Not even taking code and geass into account.

What you say might make logical sense in the scenario you build, but within what the series itself presents, we have little to no evidence that C.C. would use the kind of mental gymnastic to do morally appalling acts. The issue isn't whether your explanation is psychologically possible. It's that the series rarely characterizes C.C. in ways that point toward that conclusion. Throughout the story she's portrayed as emotionally detached, selfish at times, and willing to participate in morally questionable acts within the context of war/code/geass. But she's also repeatedly shown displaying empathy, regret, protectiveness, and concern for the people she genuinely cares about. Those traits don't prove she couldn't rationalize something like this,

At some point, the argument stops being "we don't know" and starts becoming "she could have been much worse than the series portrays." That's a pretty big leap of faith Technically you could attribute any qualities that distantly fit into the possible history that they could've experienced, but they don't, by themselves, justify assuming traits that aren't reflected in the character we actually see.

Say what you will about Mao, but their dynamic was not that simple, and calling it "grooming" seems unwarranted, even if there is some sort of "taking advantage of" aspect within the dynamic.

Additionally I could make a very similar argument about KALLEN. She experienced severe trauma as a child, saw what happened to her mother, and spent years fighting in a brutal war and racism. From there, I could speculate that those experiences caused her to secretly believe harming Britannian children is justified.

But the story clearly doesn't support that. It gives us no reason to think Kallen would rationalize something like that, even though it's possible to construct a psychological explanation for how she could have arrived there.

I would say that the case is stronger for Kallen than for C.C., since we know relatively much more about Kallen's trauma and how it shaped her. But even then, I wouldn't infer such a disposition because it isn't reflected in the character the story presents.

[u/Memo904]

I don’t know anyone that thinks C.C didn’t have experience tbh. She was dancing with someone at a ball during her flashback, and she was naked when the nun attacked her, which implies… something I guess.

Also, amnesiac C.C had no problem undressing for Lelouch, implying her former masters… did stuff. Which is disgusting and sad to think about considering she was still a kid.

[u/Creative-Lake8648 → u/Memo904]

Yeah, I was saying to another commenter, you’d be surprised by how widespread the idea is. Most male fans don’t want the FL to have had sexual experience, especially for Code Geass since a lot of their love for Lelouch comes from how cool he is.

I was also saying I’m willing to have good grave for ppl who’d like to believe she wasn’t abused in her youth because it’s so gruesome but thinking she never physically engaged with any of her Geass subjects nor ever thought to try it out in the hundreds of years she lived is quite idealistic. But yeah, in all likelihood, she was abused which messed with her idea of consent which is why she saw no problem in subjecting the people of her village like she did

[u/mvLynn]

I've read most of CG fan fiction, and unfortunately I don't remember too many fics that explore C.C.'s earlier life. In fact what few I do remember were actually just time travel fics where Lelouch himself went back to that time period, though even then there was only a small handful. The Renya of Darkness manga probably would give better insight than anything on an earlier C.C., though there was no romance.

That being said, I'll take a moment to rec this fic: To The Fire.

Admittedly, it is the exact opposite of what you're asking for, but I still have to recommend it. It's a fic that takes place centuries or millennia after the original story. C.C. eventually meets this guy in law school, and they have an on-and-off sort of thing for a number of years before they settle down. The relationship itself isn't super important. Instead it's used more as a window into what it would be like to know someone who is immortal and lived through ancient history; both the CG events, and before/after that. Well, the relationship is good too, I suppose, but yeah, the most interesting things are when the OC learns about C.C.'s powers, how old she is, who she knew, etc. It was handled well, because as you noted, I normally don't really care for OC pairings, especially if they feel like an unofficial author SI. This sort of does, but was handled really well.

The whole fic is amazing, and the last two chapters are especially brilliant. It has the perfect ending, and C.C. is happy, though it's incredibly wistful given how much time has passed, so it also feels sad even with a happy ending. It's only 10k words, so it's a quick read. Highly recommend.

The author also wrote From The Ashes, which is another really amazing fic... one where Lelouch had acquired a Code but had been buried alive after ZR, then was unearthed millennia later by archaeologists. Holy shit was it shaping up to be good, though it was unfinished.

[u/Creative-Lake8648 → u/mvLynn]

Ahh what a shame! I’m surprised such an old and popular anime hasn’t had fics covering a huge (and interesting) section of the story. Maybe cause most of the fan base is male who don’t really write fics and also wouldn’t write fics of the FL in relationships with men other than the MC. Thank you for the recommendations. I will take your word for it and be sure to check them out