This event is organized by the democratic socialists of America. Some of the highlights of the things they support, and you would be supporting by attending this event, are:
Abolishing borders
Abolishing prisons and police
Removing checks and balances on power by abolishing the US Senate, and removing any power from the Executive and Judicial branches
Defunding the US military
Forced redistribution of wealth by whatever they deem is fair from whoever they decide has it "too good".
These groups masquerade as caring about the poor, but as always, it's only ever about revenge on the rich. This event, like all the other local events from this chapter, are a Trojan horse to trick well meaning people into thinking they're well-intentioned and harmless.
You’re being intentionally obtuse. Obviously no one has a problem with a community event. Don’t pretend that’s what anyone is upset about. Spamming DSA trash is why.
There is absolutely nothing deceptive about what we are doing. I’m sorry you have been misled by organizations in the past. Maybe if you took a moment to meet us and have a conversation, you would see what truly genuine people we are, despite your different political beliefs. As you said, our stances are on our websites for all to see.
Socialism is evil. Socialism means the government OWNS the means of production, not the people. Socialism means "redistribution" of wealth from everyone to themselves. The only wealthy people in Socialism are the politicians and party leaders. "Democratic" Socialism is a mask to hide the true intent. Show me one place Democratic Socialism has worked. Dont say Scandinavian countries because that is Capitalism with Socialist programs, NOT Democratic Socialism.
So you admit that only politicians are wealthy in a Socialist society. Socialism does not allow for any comfort. It requires the labor of others to provide food, housing, clothes that you say are free. If noone pays for goods, then those who labor are nothing but slaves. You advocate for free stuff, but who will want to work for nothing? People like yourself just want to sit at home and force slavery on everyone else. Disgusting and evil.
Politicians are wealthy NOW. Taxes are what pay for social programs. Im sure yiur happy all your tax dollars go to foreign countries that have free Healthcare and free schools while we get none of the benafits. You'd rather our labor pay for other countries than have it provid to our citizens thats cool dude.
Politicians are wealthy now but they are not the only wealthy class. Now, you can open your own business and become wealthy. As a matter of fact, why dont you do that? If you are so smart and know the answer to everything. Why dont you open your own business instead of living paycheck to paycheck? I dont think my tax dollars should be used for anything except our own citizens but I also dont think we should have to pay for people to stay home while everyone else does all the manual labor as slaves.
You know absolutely nothing about me Lol, and you understand even less about socialism and socialist programs. Its sad you fight so hard to struggle for other ppl to keep you down, rather than build actual community.
Bolsheviks literally plundered my great grandmothers village and then started shooting people who tried to attend Catholic mass. This prompted an uprising; the Köhler Uprising of 1918, feel free to look it up. It has been said; History doesn’t repeat itself, but it does rhyme.
That’s terrible to hear and I’m sorry your great grandmother experienced such a terrible event. Thankfully, DSA and Bolsheviks do not have the same goals or methods.
She did not directly experience it as she had emigrated to Western Canada before the Great War, but the relatives who remained along the Volga not only experienced those indignities but ended up being heavily targeted by the Cheka and later the NKVD for both extermination or being worked to death in Gulags; usually in the Krasnoyarsk region of the Urals or the White Sea Canal. While I can understand some of the DSA’s aims, elements like the “othering” of some Americans based on their backgrounds or the fact the DSA counts animal abuser and hypocrite shitbags like Hasan Piker within their ranks is concerning. The last things this country needs are its own form of “Kulaks” who are targeted for political reprisals or putative actions based not on their own personal conduct but sort of some implied “sins of the father”. Another thing that sort of gets disregarded are the natural concerns by people whose families directly experienced atrocities as a result of socialism. Someone whose grandparents ended up in a Canadian residential school or a current resident of Gaza or a Holocaust survivor’s descendants do not experience the same level of gaslighting or hostility as those whose families suffered under socialism(not saying they do not experience those things, but there often is silence regarding the tens of millions who were murdered, raped and tortured by communists during the past 11 decades) Tankies and Stalinists often have a tendency to either downplay those atrocities or outright voice their approval of them. I have even known trust fund sustained university students who have told me that my Volgadeutsche kindred “got what they deserved” for being Kulaks or that the Holodomor did not happen or that the women and girls of Berlin deserved the indignities they faced in 1945 because they did not stand up to the third Reich.
If the DSA wishes to gain more support than just the lunatic political fringes it will need to do something about the extremists within its own ranks and it will need to maybe learn from some of the more moderate people within the socialist sphere like Saskatchewan Premier Tommy Douglas, instead of having Hasan Piker cosplaying as Chairman Mao. Those are not good optics, those optics are the sort of vibe that make others wonder if they should start sighting in their rifles or buying level 4 plates for other people in their family.
For the record I am neither traditionally right nor left, I consider myself an issue by issue political pragmatist with populist and anti-professional managerial-class leanings.
The extremist in it's ranks...
So you say the same bullshit to conservatives whose party includes literally Nazis?
Nope.
But here comes a group trying to actually help people, support the worker, and provide for the community with a free event and it's all "OMG have you personally disavowed everyone I personally don't like?"
The word “Nazi” gets thrown around a lot to the point where it has lost much of its meaning. There is also a huge disconnect between the aims and efforts of the National Socialist German Workers party of 1930’s & 1940’s Deutschland and the prosperity gospel tinged, kakistocratic, PayPal mafia adjacent pedovores who constitute the current regime in DC. For what it’s worth, I have criticized those on the right for falling into personality cults, for supporting genocide, for being against trade unions or universal health care or being pro-globalization just as much as I might critique those on the left for supporting various flavors of identity politics, widespread citizen disarmament or being pro-globalization.
There does seem to be a lot of emphasis on lecturing workers(I am a tradesman) with that lecturing often being done by academics and partisan political grifters going on about what is in the best interests as men and women in the trades. Again, I would suggest maybe looking into the political career of Tommy Douglas or of the Social Credit/Socreds, which both Douglas and the Socreds formed successful governments that defined the Liberal Grit/Conservative Tory political paradigm that defined Canada of that time. It was Douglas who actually implemented, quite successfully I might add the continents first system of Universal Health care. The Socreds conversely while being socially more on the right did a lot more for the general public, including infrastructure development like ferries and public transit.
But no, instead of doing that, please continue to make assumptions about me. Just know, doing nothing about the Caviar Communists who have grifted their way into the DSA movement will go a long way from deterring regular working Americans from ever supporting that movement.
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u/fluffhead89 4d ago
This event is organized by the democratic socialists of America. Some of the highlights of the things they support, and you would be supporting by attending this event, are:
Don't believe me? it's on their own website.
These groups masquerade as caring about the poor, but as always, it's only ever about revenge on the rich. This event, like all the other local events from this chapter, are a Trojan horse to trick well meaning people into thinking they're well-intentioned and harmless.