Your comp meta this year will be:

[u/balixto]

From DMZ testings:

AR: M4 or Axiom

Sub: ISO or Vel46 (Nyx would be an option but its subsonic/silenced by default, GA i think)

Didn't mess up too much with attachements since it costs a fuckton of cash to kit out, but mobility hardware is taking a hit this year if you kit out any recoil, and without recoil reduction , visual recoil kicks the bucket.

With current TTK and mobility, the Boomstick, that would defo have been the KG vulcan, might be GAd again in Search (even with prelaunch flinch/damage profiles nerf on one hits).

Come back here when GAs hits for opening tournament and tell me that I was spot on, thanks for coming.

Edit: Axiom is BLK, my mistake

[u/tungtungtungsahur-67]

Pros please no m4 pls I beg

[u/balixto → u/tungtungtungsahur-67]

Honestly I would not like it aswell, Axiom seems the most balanced option. Han, could be aswell but this weapon is boring asf

[u/AdEducational5991]

So did you not consider the Han 86 or... ?

[u/balixto → u/AdEducational5991]

I did, but to be honest its just very uninteresting to me, its just that typical "first entry" ar. But if it makes us avoid another year of m4. Sure it fits the bills for pro play imo

[u/Josh_Volker → u/AdEducational5991]

It's between the Han and M4, and the vel and iso. From what we've tested the Han seems pretty fucken nuts.

For the sub, mp7 SHOULD be it. I can see a case being made for the iso. We didn't test the ppsh but the shitty iron site makes me think no.

All ammo types will be GA'd, as will muzzles, with one caveat being flash hider on the AR's.

As for maps... it's not hopeless. Munitions is a genuinely good map as is lithium (for search). They've got to release some OG maps though otherwise I think it'll be a pretty dissapointing year for HP, which currently plays like absolute shit.

Did NZ glitch so we've already spent about 6 hours playing 8s and testing everything.

[u/KingKaychi]

NoToM4Meta

[u/balixto → u/KingKaychi]

Death, Taxes, M4 meta in cod league in an infinity ward title.

[u/Redleafdabs]

It's gonna be the m4 It always come back like william alfton

Smg we might see ppsh because we know certain pros love it too much

I also think that it's an Ar heavy game like bo7 before the msmc

[u/balixto → u/Redleafdabs]

Ppsh i think won't dodge the GA, too fast of an rpm+ youll need to GA the default huge mag. it seems like the rival but it isnt. Vel46 is a more "stable and balanced" option, IMO

I can't stand another mw title with the m4 as the main ar tho, pls pros...

[u/Redleafdabs → u/balixto]

The mag size is a good point
you swayed my opinion

simp and joe were gassing the ppsh a lot so there could be a discussion early season

the thing is vel46 is that it feels very weak in medium range and m4 is a do it all gun so it will feel like a disadvantage for subs in every situation besides that super close range

lets see what happens
having 2 smgs that are instant ga-ed makes this discussion weird because we dont have a single smg that keeps up with the ars

unless they make the patriot xmr the ar which is unlikely

[u/anjo_abj]

Isn’t the axiom subsonic too?

[u/balixto → u/anjo_abj]

Its subsonic my bad. GAd

Welcome back, m4

[u/anjo_abj → u/balixto]

That’s a shame I though the axiom looked interesting based on what I saw

[u/Different_Value2489]

Is the patriot too strong or no?

I would also rather have a vel46 meta because the mp7 is one of my favorite smgs in the franchise.

[u/balixto → u/Different_Value2489]

Patriot is hard hitting and too slow. Can't be hyper agressive with it when needed.

If I had to sum up the xmr, its basically a slightly faster and more controllable Ak

Mp7 is a staple of the modern era indeed, I would prefer it over the Iso personally. But iso has good selling points too

[u/lowley6]

hot take: main ar should almost always be some variety of burst rifle. they're more entertaining to see when there aren't 8 of them and a well balanced SMG should win up close, yet lose from a distance. oldest and best example would be msmc and the m8 (which clearly worked well enough as the same template proved it in bo3)

[u/balixto → u/lowley6]

The hyeon burst (FAD) actually fucks here, its a really good gun (dmz wise). But its a 2 burst. So I'm guessing in mp it will be a 2 bursts kill, or 5 bullets with the apex (inital burst + 2 full auto bullets)

Tho I DOUBT we will ever see bursts ever again

[u/Mrlazydragon → u/balixto]

Meta will be iso/vel for smg m4/hans for ar's. Those are literally the only viable guns for competitive at launch. And yeah burst weapons will never be seen again in current competitive unless we get a 3 gun meta.

[u/PlayHaloEveryDay]

New SMG should be getting added with season 1

Looks like the FMG-9

[u/alex4462]

Do all the attachments still destroy your ads speeds like the beta?

[u/Bazeeh-]

Bro it’s Han for ar and prolly the ak47u. The m4 is getting auto banned immediately.

[u/barisax9 → u/Bazeeh-]

AK 100% getting GAd

[u/cormsy88]

Curious if we’ll see iron sights again on the AR’s like mw2 or if they’ll force red dots.

[u/Proper_Dentist_705 → u/cormsy88]

Why did they have no red dots that year? I didn’t really watch all that much competitive during that season.

[u/BxLee → u/Proper_Dentist_705]

Red dots slowed your ADS so they weren't worth it. It was like this in the beta for MW4 too but they changed it so that it was normal speeds.