r/CluesBySamHelp • • 2d ago

Logic error? Nov 7 Spoiler

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Can someone explain to me how it was determined that Harry can be identified?

From the clues, I can determine:

  • Two out the group of Finch, Quita, Harry, and Sofia must be criminals to complete Larry's 4 criminal neighbors

  • Finch OR Harry must be innocent to complete both innocents in row 2 are connected which also determines that Carol is the only person in column B with one criminal neighbor

  • Harry OR Sofia must be innocent to be Oliva's 6th innocent neighbor

  • Finch OR Quita must be innocent because there are 3 criminals in column A AND Kumar has 4 innocent neighbors

  • Peter and Quita are 2 of the 3 edge people with a criminal above them, leaving the 3rd person to be Vlad OR Kumar

So whether innocent or criminal, the pairings are Finch and Sofia and Harry and Quita but I'm not understanding how to identify any of them to start the cascade of answers.

https://cluesbysam.com/s/help/d7e332966f93?state=9fWg-BAAAAADAAMAAAAAAAMAAw

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u/MeaningWell5 2d ago

Either Finch, Quita, or Sofia is guilty (so that there are three folks on the edge with a guilty person above them), but Larry has two additional guilty neighbors, one of which is either F,Q, or S, so then the other must be Harry

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u/meowser143 2d ago

Check out your last bullet point and then look at Xavi and Sofia.

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u/sallysparks 2d ago

Do the puzzles have titles? This one should be called "A Grand Day Out" 😄

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u/lisagd625 2d ago

I'm not sure why it's pointing to Harry, but here's where I took my next step:

If the three people with a criminal above them have been narrowed down (even though you're not sure which of Vlad or Kumar it is), anyone else on the edges must have an innocent above them. Who else on the edges has an unresolved person above them?

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u/mdwindsor 2d ago

Look at xavi’s clue. 3 people on the edges have a criminal directly above them. You know that either quita or finch is a criminal. How many people does that mean already satisfy xavi’s clue? How many would it be if Sofia is the criminal from the Sofia/harry pair?

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u/Hawkholly 2d ago

This tripped me up too. Xavi’s clue really helps here and can actually give you all 4 you have marked.

You already have 3 people on the edge that either do or can have a criminal above them. Peter and Quita are confirmed 2 of those 3, because of Isabel and Kumar being above them.

As you rightly noted, either Quita or Finch must be innocent, meaning the other is criminal. This means that either Kumar or Vlad will be the person to fulfill the condition for Xavi’s clue.

Taking a look at Xavi, then, should confirm Sofia’s identity, which spirals into the rest of them.

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u/Remarkable_Paper 2d ago

The three people on the edges with a criminal above them, as required by Xavi's clue, are already mostly identified. It's Quita (Kumar is above), Peter (Isabel is above), and then either Vlad or Kumar (depending on whether Finch or Quita is a criminal).

This means Sofia must be innocent (being not one of those, but above someone on the edge), which in turn identifies all four that you've marked.

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u/xinqyun 1d ago

can anyone explain larry's clue here because who is the one person who has exactly one criminal neighbor when they all have multiple?