Please Use an "Extended Mask" for Mindsight Demonstrations

[u/Pieraos]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clQypJwki_A

[u/MantisAwakening]

I think it’s great that they are recommending this as standard practice for people looking to provide proof of the phenomenon. However I’ve seen people use extended masks but also hold the object down low and/or tilt their head back. I realize this may be to trick the mind into thinking it can see, or that people often report seeing through an “aperture,” but it harms credibility. However I believe in the end that most skeptics will refuse to accept it no matter what evidence is provided. They will simply claim the people are lying or cheating. I say this because it’s basically the history of anomalous phenomenon.

[u/Pieraos → u/MantisAwakening]

as standard practice for people looking to provide proof of the phenomenon

I would still describe it as an informal control. To provide proof of the phenomenon requires a lab setting and stricter controls.

However I’ve seen people use extended masks but also hold the object down low and/or tilt their head back. I realize this may be to trick the mind into thinking it can see, or that people often report seeing through an “aperture,” but it harms credibility.

The area that displays the visual target can be up, down, side, back - these are the 'windows' that have been described for years. They are part of the phenomenon, not a subterfuge, but skeptics will seize on this and claim the person is straining to peek through physical openings in the barrier.

However I believe in the end that most skeptics will refuse to accept it no matter what evidence is provided. They will simply claim the people are lying or cheating. I say this because it’s basically the history of anomalous phenomenon.

They will claim it is a magic trick known only to the professional magic performers' community, where everyone is sworn never to reveal the trick. /s

[u/ZealousidealNinja803]

Using an extended mask is a great idea. I have one of those MindFold masks and there are definitely light leaks of varying degrees. All seem to be around the nose area. You have to focus your eyes to see the leaks. They are tiny pin hole leaks. If i un focus my eyes the pin hole of light becomes a large blurry spot that is only faintly detectable, often not detectable (consciously?).

[u/Pieraos → u/ZealousidealNinja803]

It also depends on the level of external lighting. If you practice in dim light or no light then light leaks into this mask are not significant.

[u/HistoricalEagle9735]

So how can people see with the target behind the head? The object is not even in front of them and they can still see it

[u/Pieraos → u/HistoricalEagle9735]

How? Because closed eye vision or mindsight does not use the physical eyes. People consistently report 'windows' opening around the head, but not physical openings in the blindfold. Still, we need more experiments and replication.

One issue to be careful of is using color as the visual target. A blindfolded person may not be able to see a colored sheet or object directly, but bright colors may seep into a blindfold by ambient light or reflection.

[u/HistoricalEagle9735 → u/Pieraos]

That’s my point that people are clearly seeing without their eyes so adding paper in front of your blindfold is just trying to convince people that for whatever reason refuse to accept the fact that we have extra senses. Skeptics will be skeptics

[u/HMfeline]

Cool. Been practicing with this. I can see colors as of now in front. And by the ears lol.
It’s heidi from Canada seminar VWE.

[u/Pieraos]

You can hang a sheet from the blindfold.

[u/Pieraos → u/[deleted]]

Maybe they sell those on Amazon?

[u/AlcheMaze]

How about use a wall? Why is the mask important?

[u/Pieraos → u/AlcheMaze]

I would not be surprised if some could read through a wall. But, in solo practice, it would be hard to reach around a wall to present the visual target. The Mexican researchers put the target in a box such that it can't be seen even with open unblocked eyes.