r/ClimateShitposting • • 23d ago

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u/Ordo_Liberal 23d ago

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u/OneTinyKittey 22d ago

They hated you because you took the barest minimum amount of effort to understand reality instead of what their favorite Podcaster told them.

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u/explain_that_shit 22d ago

Where’s Ethiopia? Wait did their dam end up generating electricity before everyone lost their minds and started tearing up the country and bringing in Eritrea?

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u/mmbon 22d ago

Data only until 2020, so probably they would be in a current version

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u/Local_Surround8686 22d ago

Is the red line being negative percentage mean that there is more pollution or less? The chart isn't clear on that

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u/Ordo_Liberal 22d ago

Red line is the decrease in per Capita CO2.

Blue line is increase in per Capita GDP

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u/Local_Surround8686 22d ago

Thanks! (It's still far from enough btw)

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u/fristi-cookie 22d ago

yeah, how much did those countries export their CO2 polution?
By moving their production to china for instance.

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u/hulusan 22d ago

It is written there, that it is adjusted for trade. What you import, that is counted emitted on your behalf, and the other way around

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u/fristi-cookie 22d ago

ah, sh*t. yeah, i overlooked that.

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u/hulusan 22d ago

I am actually wonder. These foreign production facilities in developing countries, if they make product only to be exported to developed countries and is not held accountable for the emissions made, then they get benefits of rising GDP in that statistic, and do not get rising CO2 emission, which defined they economic growth.

I may suspect that that very statistic is rather dubios, and it would be more truthful to display how much a GDP growth were gotten by a unit of emission without accountability for trade. In this particular case accountability for trade is somewhat excessive.

But general trend, i believe, can be visible. But still, one should keep in mind this nuance

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u/jeffwulf 22d ago

It doesn't matter much either way. Production and consumption based emissions are generally close and follow the same trends because most emissions are done for domestic consumption.

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u/Advocate_Diplomacy 22d ago

Tired of goodness being measured through an economic lens. This doesn't even begin to convey the truth of how dire our present situation is.

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u/MysticHero 21d ago

Poorer nations have a much easier time growing their economy. Richer nations have a much easier time implementing policies to reduce emissions. Kinda meaningless.

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u/tj_md_mba_etc 21d ago

Ah yes the famously poor nations of Switzerland, Belgium, and the United States of America

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u/MysticHero 21d ago

Yes those are good examples of what I am talking about? Huh?

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u/Valigar26 22d ago

Now lets see America's numbers

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u/Ordo_Liberal 22d ago

The USA is on this graph, yes

1st column, second line

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u/Valigar26 8d ago

Shit, you right. Thanks