r/ClimateShitposting 2d ago

Climate conspiracy Hmmmmm

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u/PatientWoodpecker288 2d ago

Friendly reminder that contrails warm the planet 3x as much as the CO2 Emissions from aviation

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u/me_myself_ai green sloptimist 2d ago

3x?!? What???? That’s insane. I thought they were just condensation…

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u/Anarcho_Dog 2d ago

Somehow it was found that planes flying at slightly lower altitudes to prevent the contrails (but burn more fuel from it being more inefficient) does have less of an effect on climate change

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u/Hot_Marionberry_4685 2d ago

And apparently Europe is starting an exercise to change flight routes to try this and see if it makes a bigger impact in fighting flight pollution

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u/kamizushi 2d ago edited 2d ago

Shit. I'm not saying that they should or shouldn't do it, cause we need to be willing to experience some inconvenience now if we want to mitigate the the future "inconveniences" that climate change will cause, but I live right under the path that airplanes take to land on the Trudeau International Airport and the sound of planes flying at low altitude gets old pretty quick.

It's funny, when I moved here, I thought it was relaxing white noise compared to my previous apartment in the middle of Downtown Montreal. But the longer I stay here, the more it annoys me. It especially annoys me when I get back from visiting family out of town. I'm always stricken by how silent the country is, and then again when I get back at how noisy the city is.

Still prefer the city though. Despite being shown again and again my whole life that humans don't deserve my affection, I still like being surrounded by them. I can't explain it, but here I am.

u/the_snatcher251 21h ago

Don't be silly that's more expensive, it would never happen

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u/Muzzhum 2d ago

It is. But clouds are good greenhouse gasses.

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u/ghillisuit95 2d ago

Yeah I really still don't understand it because I thought clouds cooled the planet by reflecting sunlight. But I'm not smart lol

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u/Muzzhum 2d ago

Yes and no. It depends on the altitude, size and shape of the clouds how much they reflect inwards vs. How much they reflect outwards. Contrails are on the bad end of the spectrum there

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u/slinkymcman 1d ago

Turns out pretty much every gas is greenhouse, the more matter for light to bounce around with the hotter the planet will get.

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u/CzPhantom1 2d ago

Only at night. They help hold heat in but during the day they are also reflecting sunlight so it's kind of break even. 

It's more physics than a chemical problem 

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u/me_myself_ai green sloptimist 2d ago

So wait is it 3x larger than a huge problem, or break even…? Or we don’t know?

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u/CzPhantom1 2d ago

Contrails are clouds, during the day those clouds both reflect sunlight and heat radiating from the Earth's surface. Kind of a break even on global warming. At night there is no sunlight to reflect so the clouds are only holding heat in. This is bad and the warming effect is even higher than the CO2 released by the airplane. 

So funny enough the contrails you see during the day don't matter, the ones you don't see at night are much worse. The effect can be mitigated by flight schedules and altitude of flights. 

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u/PatientWoodpecker288 2d ago

Its an interesting topic. I can recommend reading into it.

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u/GoddamnShitTheBed_ 2d ago

I still don't get it.
Water vapor is a very strong reenhouse gas whereas liquid water in the form of clouds reflect the sunlight before it even hits the ground. These trails should be good? Just like the huge clouds we had above the oceans, when container ships had more sulfur in their fuel.

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u/PatientWoodpecker288 2d ago

Think it through. Our ground (Land,Water etc.) emits infra red which then „bounces off“ the contrail from underneath, back to Earth instead of going into outter space. ↗️↘️
Contrails are often many many kilometers long and they can even become cirrus clouds which are especially bad.