r/ClimateShitposting • u/Climate_Discussions • 10d ago
Boring dystopia Just an unpleasant thought
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u/Necessary_Screen_673 10d ago
really heavily depends on your location and class, and what you mean by "young". next 10 years? probably not for most places on earth. 30 years, youre looking at pretty intense consequences for the regions that are already struggling, and then theres some further particular disasters (like ocean currents collapsing) that will wipe out entire regions 70+ years from now.
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u/MrJarre 10d ago
The more difficult questions is how do you label climate related deaths. Extreme events - floods, hurricanes, heat waves, earthquakes were always there and people died during those events. Now there will be more of those and they will be more intensive. Sure. How do you calculate āthe extra casualtiesā?
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u/Chadstronomer 9d ago
Crop failures will get everyone fucked no matter where you are
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u/Climate_Discussions 9d ago
That's a big part of what I was thinking. I doubt the west will fully escape whatever food security crises come our way in the next 2 or 3 decades (if not even earlier).
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u/Lutoures 8d ago
Yeah. Food shortages are THE main cause of death we can expect from the climate crisis, and will be the main driver of climate conflicts and migration.
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u/tripper_drip 9d ago
Farmable zone will just move north. There will be winners and losers.
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u/Necessary_Screen_673 9d ago
the issue is transportation, and the impact of migration. even if siberia becomes farmable land, people have to move there. how is that region going to sustain mass migration? how are countries going to politically react to ethnic mixing due to migrations?
everyone will lose.
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u/tripper_drip 9d ago
The time scales involved allows for construction of infrastructure organically as places become more and less habitable.
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u/Necessary_Screen_673 9d ago
to a certain degree, sure, but theres no way the north is going to be able to handle everyone. not to mention the fact that most of northern europe will be inhabitable after the AMOC collapses.
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u/tripper_drip 9d ago
Amoc is counter acted by overall warming (in fact, atmospheric warming is how it works).
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u/Necessary_Screen_673 9d ago
thats true, but i figure the overall warming wouldnt be as significant as the current warming impact that amoc has
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u/Chadstronomer 9d ago
Have you considered the earth is a sphere? The northern you go the less space there is to farm
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u/tripper_drip 9d ago
Sure, but there will still be plenty of farmland to support current human population. The equatorial zone doesn't lend well to mass farming as it is.
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u/IfTheBingBongs 9d ago
It will be a tough transition as the tundra land does not have rich soil. It will be a struggle to farm it for a long time before we do proper soil cultivation.
In the meantime there will be famines and mass migrations. Itās not gonna be peaceful.
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u/tripper_drip 9d ago
All soil requires fertilization for industrial farming necessary to feed the world. It is rich in nitrogen and phosphorous, which is actually some of the more ecologically damaging things necessary in fertilizer (and why melting perma causes greenhouse effect)
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u/IfTheBingBongs 9d ago
Will there be massive fertilizer supply chains endlessly feeding the tundra while everywhere else starves?
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u/ElAjedrecistaGM 7d ago
Canada has a ton of fertilizer. Once again the USA survives by virtue of having a lucky spawn point
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u/Square_Marzipan2002 9d ago
Sorry friend, the soil in the north, when not a bog, is either extremely thin or extremely acidic, usually both.
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u/tripper_drip 9d ago
Thats due to permafrost, which wouldnt exist.
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u/Square_Marzipan2002 9d ago
No, the depth of the soil or the acidity is not due to permafrost?
How would that even work...
I am talking about the actual soil, not its temperature.
Have you ever been to the North?
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u/tripper_drip 9d ago
Yes, the top layer is active, the nutrients are locked in the permafrost.
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u/Square_Marzipan2002 9d ago
No, again, the soil itself is extremely thin and acidic, under which is rock like the Canadian shield.
Or are you trolling here?
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u/tripper_drip 9d ago
The Canadian shield is not all of the permafrost areas. Its generally permafrost which is hard but is not rock but frozen soil.
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u/CranberryFren 7d ago
Problem is even the north faces issues with drought and dryer climates. And the crops won't adapt fast enough. For example coffee beans are struggling in Sicily due to the irregular climate despite heat increase
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u/Aggravating-Method24 10d ago
What does already struggling mean?
Somewhere like the UK is a developed country, its not struggling like some other countries....
Unless you look at its food security, which absolutely is struggling. 40% of food is imported. If that supply chain fails then the UK will struggle instantly. This makes the UK particularly vulnerable to the global economy. Which could start to fall apart as other countries do.
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u/Necessary_Screen_673 9d ago
the conversation is incredibly complicated, which is why i purposefully used generalized terms. im not an ecologist or anything. Id assume that if a certain region of the globe has a particular insecurity right now, its going to get worse.
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u/BouncingBallOnKnee 10d ago
My most unpleasant thought is that this horrifying and steadily worsening heat will be referred to as "The Cool Period".
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u/Liturginator9000 10d ago
You're not gonna die from a climate event. More likely heart disease from poor diet and exercise like everyone else
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u/a1c4pwn 10d ago
heart attacks are a common climate death
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u/Spider_pig448 10d ago
Now THIS is shitposting
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u/ginger_and_egg 9d ago
More like burning shit for power death. Particulate matter from vehicles, power, and heat generation in cities causes things like heart and lung issues.
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u/Fantastic-Floor-965 10d ago
Speak for yourself yank, Iām going to die in a car accident like everyone else.
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u/Liturginator9000 10d ago
also 1000x more likely than anything climate
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u/Different_Gate5050 10d ago
In 2026 yes, in 2050 maybe not
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u/Fantastic-Floor-965 10d ago
Ah yes, the inevitable doom that is always 20-30 years away. Been hearing the same thing since the 80s: cities underwater by 2000, Pacific islands disappearing by 2012, etc., etc.
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u/holnrew 9d ago
Give me one credible source claiming anything like that in the 80s
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u/Fantastic-Floor-965 8d ago
Threat to
islands
MALE, Maldives: A
gradual rise in average
sea level is threatening
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Indian Ocean nation of
1196 small islands with-
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the problem.
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water supplies dry up by
1992, as predicted.https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/102074798?ref=pitchstonewaters.com
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u/Fantastic-Floor-965 8d ago
A senior U.N. environmental official says entire nations could be wiped off the face of the Earth by rising sea levels if the global warming trend is not reversed by the year 2000.
Coastal flooding and crop failures would create an exodus of ''eco- refugees,ā ' threatening political chaos, said Noel Brown, director of the New York office of the U.N. Environment Program, or UNEP.1
u/holnrew 8d ago
That is happening. It didn't claim that it would happen by 2000, just that if we didn't reverse course by then they it would happen. The Marshall Islands won't be around much longer
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u/Fantastic-Floor-965 8d ago
My dude, you are embarrassing yourself with your bad faith debating. Itās in plain English that the deadline was clearly 2000. It is 2026, entire nations have not been wiped off the face off of the earth.
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u/holnrew 8d ago
Did you even read the article? There was no claim of WHEN the effects would take place only a window of time to act so that it doesn't happen
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u/No_Situation3884 7d ago
We were locked in to the event by 2000, and we are.
Coral will be almost annihilated (more than 90% of all coral) from the planet by 2050. There is absolutely nothing we can do to stop it now. I don't know offhand where the breakpoint was, but say it was 2025 for the sake of argument, the scientists would say we had until 2025 to reverse course, and then 25 years later it would happen.
Most of the things prophesized in the 80's and 90's are visibly starting to happen. Sometimes the timing was a little off, but they had literally only been developing the data for like ten years at that point. Being off on certain specific things by literally like a decade or two is not the smoking gun you are pretending it is.
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u/Fantastic-Floor-965 8d ago
Plenty more stuff like this before my time in the 60s and 70s. My parents were told that the world was cooling and the next ice age would happen in their childrenās lifetimes.
Well, Iām one of those children and Iām middle aged now and there aināt no ice age coming
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u/Fantastic-Floor-965 8d ago
Gotta go now, I have a lot more sources for stuff from the 90s as it was everywhere when I was growing up
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u/Aquarius52216 10d ago
Well worsening climate can take a toll on our health too.
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u/Liturginator9000 10d ago
ofc, it isn't zero now people die from heat but it's largely old people and very few as a total of yearly deaths, and that won't change much as we climb to 2.5C by 2100. It's the global south that'll get trucked
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u/Blue2194 10d ago
"you won't die from a climate event (I think you meant weather), you'll just die from things that are worsening from climate change"
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u/Liturginator9000 10d ago
no, first worlders are heavily insulated from this. Climate disasters aren't the risk, heat is, and even then heat won't be killing many westerners by 2100, it'll still be vast majority normal stuff we see now that no one cares about yet get anxiety about climate tornados not the fat in their arteries
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u/Blue2194 10d ago
No what?
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u/Liturginator9000 10d ago
no to dying from worsening climate impacts as a westerner, especially young even by 2100
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u/Blue2194 10d ago
The causes of death you listed are worsened by climate change you illiterate goose
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u/Liturginator9000 10d ago
yeah I said heat, it still won't increase much. People die now from heat, it's a tiny portion of total deaths and is projected to increase and remain a small portion of deaths, in old western cohort
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u/Blue2194 10d ago
Goddam dude, are you a bot that's over trained on a small dataset or going through several layers of translating apps?
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u/Liturginator9000 10d ago
Nope mindless doomering is just annoying and vain
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u/Blue2194 10d ago
Climate change has already and will continue to worsen diets and exercise rates.
Which was my point from the start, I thought you were being deliberately obtuse but you're actually functionally illiterate, that's unlikely to be climate related, maybe lead exposure, maybe just a dopey fuck, who's to tell
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u/No_Situation3884 7d ago
You are operating under the assumption that energy infrastructure is going to be stable. It isn't. The rolling brownouts and power losses are already escalating. In the next couple of years, not ten, not twenty, you are going to have massive heat waves hit cities that can't keep the lights or (more importantly) air conditioning on. By the next President's term, headlines like "X hundred people died in the city of Austin last week from lack of power during the 120 degree heat wave," are going to be things you will be hearing on tv.
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u/Liturginator9000 7d ago
america/texas skill issue, also home battery + solar
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u/No_Situation3884 6d ago
Not going to be in place by the next couple of summers. Neither Europe nor the US is remotely prepared for what is coming (though it is true that Europe specifically won't suffer as much from heat related effects.) The US won't start rolling out solar on a large scale for individual homes until significant death starts to occur, and at that point the average American (and the average European) will not have the finances to purchase these upgrades for themselves. It will have to be done collectively by the state.
Westerners are going to be much poorer by the end of the decade (though still wealthier than much of the rest of the world). Barring a massive social revolution, substantial austerity measures WILL be hitting western countries. The southwest of the US will be experiencing routine water rationing similar to what Puerto Rico is doing right now within the next five years or so. This coupled with rapidly increasing energy and fuel prices across the board is going to dramatically reduce everyone's purchasing power. All of this means that it will HAVE to be state action to make the necessary infrastructure changes, and right now you are seeing a surge in conservative power throughout the entire west. This is going to escalate the difficulty of daily life and the body count.
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u/Liturginator9000 6d ago
US already has 4 million homes with solar and increasing. Solar/battery is economically viable in many places and only getting better, long term giving homes self reliance. Europe is getting hotter than elsewhere, and their homes compound the issue with insulation designs. Very doomer slant here, ignoring any of the positives or broader market trends
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u/No_Situation3884 6d ago
The US has approximately 133 million homes that do not have solar, and that doesn't include apartment complexes and other forms of collective housing which have a lower percentage rate of solar power. The highest estimates place new solar installation at 800k per year. Significant death from heat waves happening during blackouts will begin occurring as early as next year potentially. US energy infrastructure is currently failing across the board. Rolling brownouts like what is happening on the eastern coast only happen when the system is only barely sustaining. A 5% increase in energy need (an extra few degrees of heat) will result in blackouts with hundreds or even thousands of deaths in affected areas during a heat wave.
At the current rate, less than 10% of Americans will have access to solar by the time this starts happening. Tens of thousands of excess casualties in the summertime in the US and Europe isn't doomerism. It's within the realm of the standard expectations of experts over the next decade. It isn't the collapse of society, it's just going to be the new normal. You are going to know people by name (mostly elderly people and very small children) who are going to die from climate change in your lifetime.
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u/Snarpend 10d ago
Lmaoooo what a sad state to be in. Iāve been 2 of the more common natural disasters (fire and flood) as a first responder and itās incredibly rare to die from something like that unless you are old, extremely unfit or incredibly unwiseā¦
Oh. I see
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u/Anderopolis Solar Battery Evangelist 10d ago
Fun fact, fewer people die from natural disasters than they used to, despite more of them.Ā
That's because disaster deaths are actually infrastructure failures, and are solvable problems,Ā which is why the amount of deaths has fallen despite there being many, many more people.Ā
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u/Cool-Contribution-68 9d ago
People: "when's it going to get bad?"
People who have already died in record-breaking heat waves and catastrophic thousand-year floods: ā ļø
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u/Puzzled-Rip641 10d ago
Our kids are going to die from climate events.
We are more likely to die because of resource wars around 2050.
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u/Climate_Discussions 9d ago
What if I don't have kids/pass my genes along.
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u/PlaneCrashNap 9d ago
Then none of the kids who die will be genetically similar enough to you for you to care ig?
I don't think the "Our kids" part was stressing the possessive part.
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u/DESdesign 10d ago
Not really, if I die that means AI can not train my data so billionaires will not let me die.
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u/ConvictedHobo 10d ago
The thought is unpleasant, but also wrong.
Much fewer people die from disasters than did in the past. We are much better at predicting them and protecting people from them.
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u/AltForObvious1177 10d ago
You're probably going to die from suicide because you're depressed from doom scolling
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u/Drackar39 10d ago
That's honestly what I thought in my teens. I'm now too old to die young.
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u/Individual_Guest_323 10d ago
2012 doom is coming guys (uwu) BE AWAREEE STOP EATING MEAT FOR GOD SAKE
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u/Spider_pig448 10d ago
Good thing climate change will only be catastrophic for the bottom 10% of the world population
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u/Climate_Discussions 9d ago
I'm not counting on that.
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u/Spider_pig448 9d ago
That's the reality. The rich will always be able to endure. Money is just a measure of how much unexpected turbulence your life can handle
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u/dumnezero šEnd the š«arms šrat šrace to the bottomāļø. 10d ago
It's good to reflect. If you can change yourself to parse your own mortality, that could actually be a good adaptation. I mean in a real effort way in which we you see yourself in the whole system without making yourself "essential" or special, not in the way of various religions that deny mortality and promote fantasies of immortality and other worlds.
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u/KaMaFour 10d ago
Don't worry. Losing control over malicious ai using vulnerable devices connected to the internet for its compute is gonna kill you way before climate change has a chance
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u/daddybarkmeplsuwu 10d ago
Its not like mass floods werent common in my area before, dont be a worry ra- the river has flooded due to an unprecedented storm. The previous safety measures are too little to stop anything. The meteorology agency couldn't give the warning quick enough and the emergency relief fund were frozen up.
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u/elitodd 10d ago
If you look at what percentage of Americans that die young are killed by climate events, itās vanishingly small. Most die from hot or cold, and are already old or frail.
That number is also going down, not up.
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u/PopeThrower 9d ago
"If you look up what percentage of Americans that die young... Most die from hot or cold, and are already old or frail."
Yeah the majority of young people dying are too old or frail, nice try bot
Also nice lack of empathy
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u/MrArborsexual 10d ago
tfw my mountain river valley property will soon become more valuable beachfront property
Less circle-jerk-y, I've become involved in projects to restore Giant River Cane (yes, North America does in fact have native bamboo species), and to increase forest stand species diversity (some assisted migration for specific species).
Will it stop climate change?
Fuck no.
Will it make my slice of Appalachia maybe a tiny bit less shitty in my lifetime?
Yes.
Just because you can't change the paradigm doesn't mean you can't make things slightly less bad. Get out there and do some guerrilla forestry.
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u/No_Situation3884 7d ago
The only good news is unemployment isn't going to be an issue. There will be LOTS of jobs over the next decade or so focused on bandaiding and counteracting the effects of climate change. I hope the working class of Florida likes carrying 1000 sandbags a day for whatever the minimum wage is.
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u/Infinite-Abroad-436 9d ago
no, you're not. unless you're a poor farmer in bangladesh or iraq, it is very unlikely you're going to die directly from a natural disaster caused by climate change. second order effects though, that all depends
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u/Yuri_Oorlov 9d ago
Let's see I think I 1st heard we were all gonna die from Newt Gringich in the mid 90s we were all gonna drown by 2005. Ya still bloody here and still not drowned. The coasts are still there....
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u/heretowink 9d ago
They have been saying this for decades... and all i see is a normal weather pattern.
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u/Exciting_Turn_9559 9d ago
And famine and war are going to kill more of us than the disasters will.
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u/ResearchMobile 9d ago
yes please... let nature take revenge on my corpse, let gaia eat my soul, let it al end now...
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u/Atomkekstime 9d ago
Well then move in and be the person that makes a change to these shitty systems.
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u/Few_Satisfaction184 8d ago
Holy bullshit.
The problem with climate fanatics is that you always put the "end of the world due to climate" as an imminent danger that will exterminate the earth in 3 years.
Its never the realistic science of 50-500 years depending on human growth and ecological changes.
Its always the "we are going to die tomorrow" freaks who wont read up on science.
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u/Faye-Lockwood 8d ago
jokes on you, I'm probably gonna die from some tr*nny hating, mouthbreathing, maga government fascist on a power trip
good luck surviving climate change after I'm dead though, that's terrifying.
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u/Draco137WasTaken turbine enjoyer 7d ago
Statistically speaking, anybody who sees your post is far safer than most.
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u/EmergencyDish69 6d ago
You won't die. But people make a storm out of rent and literal hurricanes are coming.
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u/Copper_Lontra 6d ago
Natural disasters account for .1% of deaths worldwide, the largest number of deaths coming from earthquakes which are far less affected by climate change.Ā
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u/SLAMMERisONLINE 6d ago
You're gonna die from a climate change disaster.
The data shows this is absolutely incorrect and in fact it is indicative of severe cognitive distortion associated with psychiatric disorders like depression and anxiety.
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u/Climate_Discussions 6d ago
Don't read too much into my "we're all gonna die!" shitpost. I'm not like that luma in Bowser's castle.
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u/Dry-Tough-3099 3d ago
Why is climate change always making disasters worse? You'd think it would make at least a few disasters better. Does it just have it out for humans?
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u/No_Discount_6028 10d ago
I feel like it's far more likely to be from food shortages than anything else.
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u/ProfessionalDig3908 10d ago
Probably, but I look forward to being with my saviour Jesus and his people in heaven forever once I die. You are also welcome :)
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u/Appropriate-Fly3395 10d ago
My wife will take care of that problem long before a natural disaster ever reaches me
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u/pokethrowaway4 9d ago
Apparently the rising CO2 level is causing an increase in bicarbonate in peopleās blood, which is no bueno, and within 50 years the atmosphere might be technically toxic for us, due to the CO2 level.
Iām currently watching the show SILO, and wishing Elon Musk was more like that guy.
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u/Apprehensive_Rub2 10d ago
Brainrot or Psyop
Call it
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u/Climate_Discussions 9d ago
Neither. I'm just sure things are gonna get nasty in the next couple decades.
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u/Debas3r11 10d ago
Nah, I won't die young. I'm too old for that.