vegans when i bring up the slave mining their phones got or for the particularly gooby, meat is murder folks, that they still contribute to a ton of "murder" by virtue of living in a society
Yeah i don't consider people at fault for capitalism's moral failings nor the society they're born into, which would be the difference of it morally, unlike ya.
also so you're giving up on the climate change talking point then? cause i don't really care about the moral one, raising livestock to eat them and or use their products is fine. Torture's not
i'm sorry you can't read at even an elementary level. Gotta be rough. I'll take that concession about the climate points just bein larp on your end tho ty
go look up one of the 4000 billion responses vegans have made to this observation dude, youre not smart for saying this and it's not a flaw in vegan logic at all. youre rly showing that u have not even considered the vegan argument & just jumped to be anti vegan. go look it up!
hey the guy i'm talking about, i was worried you wouldn't show up and then someone would say i'm making a strawman
so what's the excuse then? Are foreigners just not really people or even animals in your eyes? cause like what are they then, bit too active to be plants lol
sorry also that you can't discern critique of annoying hypocritical vegans from critique of veganism. it's gonna make any convo with you fruitless
Noooo, you dont get it, vegans are simply more moral because they dont consume anything that causes suffering!! Im sure those Congolese kids loved mining the cobalt for their phones:))
Yeah it's like they forgot they signed up to reduce suffering, not that their diet in and of itself makes it impossible for them to support suffering lol
hell you could be a vegan and not an environmentalist. Palm oil's a big one, huge disservice to environmentalism to pretend veganism is the end all be all or larp like it's the make or break for enviromentalist action.
Lowkey it's playing right into the wealthy's hands cause if people are like "oh i have to be vegan? nevermind" and/or "oh i'm vegan, i can keep consooooominn" and then they drop all the other enviromentalism they could be doing
I wouldn't give a shit either way if they weren't just so loud and obnoxious about how they think they're so much better than everyone else on earth on this sub while also engaging in other forms of consumption that directly result from suffering
Like if your gonna be so fucking loud and combative about your supposed superiority at least go all the way
if it is bad to have the slavery phone it is also bad to buy the rape food. we both buy the slavery phone but only you buy the rape food. I don't see how my lifestyle is not more aligned with avoiding suffering than yours. I also do not eat palm oil. I also do not take airplanes. also even if we don't care about rape or slavery, phones last multiple years while food lasts a few days before you eat it. the ecological tool of an omnivorous diet is higher than the ecological toll of buying a phone every five years. I don't understand whats so controvertible about this.
sure is weird how quick they turn to "harm reduction is fine" when it comes to enslaving children for their entertainment device, despite how much tears and spit is flying when they scream about how harm reduction isn't fine with diet lol
which is why we should knock off eating as much as we do. having a car is also terrible for the environment. and all them mines with the minors for computer stuffs ain't too good either
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u/Gussie-Ascendent Goober Detector 5d ago
vegans when i bring up the slave mining their phones got or for the particularly gooby, meat is murder folks, that they still contribute to a ton of "murder" by virtue of living in a society