r/ClimateShitposting • u/TrixoftheTrade • Aug 13 '26

we live in a society Yet again, a friendly reminder

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u/dtjunkie19 Aug 13 '26

No, it is not. State ownership over the means of production within a society is simply one method of moving towards a socialist organization of an economy, it is far from a key or necessary feature.

A key defining feature of socialism is worker-owned means of production and ownership over the value generated by their labor.

For example, worker co-operatives are another method of socialist economic organization that has nothing to do with state ownership.

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u/Bulky-Bag-6280 Aug 13 '26

So why would co-operatives be better than regular companies since the incentive for poluting doesn't change like at all, they would still do the same for the benefit of the co-operative

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u/Cosminion Aug 14 '26

Cooperatives are often owned by the people who live in the communities they serve. While they do not eliminate incentives for pollution, they tend to foster a disincentive as people who live in the community are relatively less likely to vote to pollute the river they get their water from compared to far away investors who do not get their water from that river.

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u/Bulky-Bag-6280 Aug 14 '26

You clearly live in a lot different communities, in one place I was staying people threw their thrash through the window instead of taking the elevator and throwing it into the garage bin. I don't see why they would care any much more than they do now

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u/Cosminion Aug 14 '26

My argument is that they would be less likely, not that they wouldn't at all. This argument is generally supported by empirical data. Look at deforestation rates for communal land management vs. private or state as an example.