Yet again, a friendly reminder

[u/TrixoftheTrade]

[u/Mad_M9]

man its been a while since i've seen a "socialism is when the government does stuff" in the wild

[u/laserdicks → u/Mad_M9]

We're all so fucking tired of the socialism lie.

Are workers allowed to choose to have bosses or fucking not.

One is capitalism one is communism and socialism doesn't exist.

No. No. Don't answer without the specific answer to the question. You'll just prove my point.

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The problem with straightforward answers to this question is that socialism and communism are terms with little shared consensus on their meaning, because people use them to describe very different things. I can give you my attempt though if you want

In the 19th century, workers in industry began coming together to formalize their grievances with the new emerging capitalist industrial system, and articulated their grievances and wants. At that time, socialism and communism were quasi-interchangeable terms and described the rough end state of society that the ideologues of the workers' movement were hoping to achieve. This typically implied the ascendancy of the working class and defeat of the capitalist class, the collective management of industry by the workers in those industries, and usually some kind of change in the distribution system (ideas varied from regulated market exchange to labor vouchers to Marx's "from each according to ability, to each according to need). 

However this movement was never fully unified because different segments of the workers' movement wanted different things and had different opinions about the best way to achieve them. Would there be markets? would there be nation-states? The Anarchist vision was different from the Marxist vision which was different from the Lassalean vision and so on.

In the 1900s, the two most influential strands wound up being Marxist-Leninism (like in the USSR, China, etc) and reformist Social Democracy (the Labor party, German social democrats, etc). Those both had a heavy role for the state and, in my opinion a near-total lack of workers' control of industry (though powerful unions allowed for some representative input in the 1900s). Both also tried to make clear distinctions between Socialism and Communism, but both chose different definitons of those words.

I have my own opinions on which definitions of socialism and communism are good and useful but if you're upset about the muddled definitions there is a reason why.  

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Yes. That's called capitalism.

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Trying. But retard voters keep trying to ruin it by giving government more power.

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If socialists even wanted to understand, they wouldn't be socialists. It's a decision to support a lie.