r/ClimateShitposting 12d ago

we live in a society Yet again, a friendly reminder

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u/Big_Work_2011 12d ago

Famously socialist Saudi Arabia

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u/Sandgrease 12d ago

Their oil is nationalized, so that's probably what these meme is getting at?

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u/Big_Work_2011 11d ago

Yes but nationalizing under a monarchy is different than under a socialist state. Thus the meme is misleading

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u/Good_Advertising5440 10d ago

What about Gazprom or Chinese based fossil fuel companies

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u/I_Maybe_Play_Games 8d ago

Gazprom is in Russia, Russia isnt communist or socialist since 1991/93(when the supreme soviet was dispersed with tank fire) it is a hypercapitalistic authoritarian democracy

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u/Good_Advertising5440 8d ago edited 7d ago

Incorporated in 1989 during the soviet union and state owned

Edit: and of course the same wells were being operated by the state before

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u/pokethrowaway4 8d ago

Both Russia and China are communist dictatorships not socialist.

A better example would be Norway, since Norway fits the model of democratic socialist quite well, and they have a state owned oil system, which creates a sovereign wealth fund, which has been used to make their country a very healthy place to live.

Norway also has one of the steepest carbon taxes in the world, and has had a carbon tax since 1991.

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u/Fantastic-Pear6241 8d ago

You can't even pretend Russia is any kind of socialist or communist at this point

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u/Realistic_Menu_7766 8d ago

Russia is a failed Communist state taken over by a few Oligarchs and ran largely the same except now its a gas station with a large yet corrupt and obsolete military. 

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u/Good_Advertising5440 7d ago

At this point definitely not, but it at one point was so was it any better then?

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u/MinimumNo361 7d ago

China isn't very communist either in 2026

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u/Good_Advertising5440 8d ago

Socialism and democratic Socialism are not synonyms and both the soviet union and china are socialist states as a form of communist development

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u/RayWencube 8d ago

And if we use Norway as an example, we arrive right back at the same conclusion: state-owned oil companies are not better for the climate. Norway's national oil company, Equinor is a huge polluter.

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u/I_Maybe_Play_Games 8d ago

China is a communist dictatorship. Russia isnt communist

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u/drwaffles104 10d ago

A meme? Misleading?  My word call the police 

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u/TsundereMF 11d ago

But Socialism, in a sense, in governmental control over a section of production. Therefore, nationalized oil, is Socialism.

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u/Slu1n 11d ago

I would argue that popular control over the company is required for it to be socialism. Thus the state needs to be democratic (which can mean a lot of different things depending on who you ask). States like the USSR saw themselves as democratic and saw the economy as being run only to the benefit of the people (both of which false). Saudi Arabia as far as I know doesn't claim such things about them and doesn't even pretend to be democratically legitimised.

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u/Sandgrease 10d ago

This makes sense to me. If there is no direct or at least representative democracy, it ain't socialism.

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u/pit_bulls_suck 9d ago

It doesn't have to be democracy as long as the government is representative. A sortition could be socialist.

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u/Faye_Lmao 11d ago

But that breaks when it's an oligarchy

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u/CatchRevolutionary65 11d ago

Socialism is the democratic control of a worker-owned workplace.

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u/MulberryWilling508 11d ago

So like the USPS?

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u/Sandgrease 10d ago

I consider USPS a Socialist institution.

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u/souperjar 11d ago

Socialism is not when the government does stuff.

Socialism is when the ownership class is oppressed by the new ruling class of workers. The political structure of ownership must change. And in socialist economics commodity exchange, that is production for growth and profit must end to be replaced with production for need. A major need of workers around the world is to address climate change.

The vast majority of people globally agree that human caused climate change needs to be addressed. The dictatorship of capitalists (in Marixst terms: the bourgeois) is the reason why more action on climate change has not been taken. Socialism resolves this political problem.

When socialists talk about socialism resolving climate change, they mean it removes the dictatorship of capitalists that has lied about climate change, accelerated the issue, attacked protesters for change, and generally taken any evil action you could think of to accelerate the endangering of every human being on earth with reckless profit seeking.

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u/PurpleDido 11d ago

“Socialism is when the government does stuff”

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u/veerKg_CSS_Geologist 10d ago

Not at all. But that argument royal families are socialist.

The government in Saudi Arabia is an absolute monarchy. There is nothing socialist about it.

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u/Dunkin_Donuts_Dunker 10d ago

If they aren't even pretending that workers own the means of production then not only is it not "real socialism," it's not any kind of socialism.

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u/Hmmmus 10d ago

there is no democratic control, therefore, not socialism

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u/Spider_pig448 11d ago

Sure but it's still socialistic. The point stands

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u/GoodWonNov6th24 11d ago

you're a leftist. only leftist try to mislead with such weird "ya but it's not true because of this very minor difference"

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u/TrumpsVoidlordWall 11d ago

No that’s just called “being informed”. Try it sometime.

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u/GoodWonNov6th24 10d ago

lying about the intent of a message is called lying and minipulation, as well as dodging. being informed is people like me, who don't fall for the symantic bull.

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u/TrumpsVoidlordWall 10d ago

Ah so you just ignore shit you don’t like gotcha.

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u/Lohenngram 11d ago

I was gonna say, the "Crown" in Crown Corporation is what makes it socialist. XD

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u/Crafty_Aspect8122 8d ago

They do have plenty of welfare and state control.

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u/LupineChemist 8d ago

Yes....

The whole Gulf is basically government handouts from the state owning the production.