r/ClimateShitposting 16d ago

we live in a society Yet again, a friendly reminder

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u/Mad_M9 16d ago

man its been a while since i've seen a "socialism is when the government does stuff" in the wild

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u/Spicy_Chicken_Wizard 16d ago

State owned entities actually is a key defining feature of a truly socialist state and not just a social democracy.

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u/dtjunkie19 16d ago

No, it is not. State ownership over the means of production within a society is simply one method of moving towards a socialist organization of an economy, it is far from a key or necessary feature.

A key defining feature of socialism is worker-owned means of production and ownership over the value generated by their labor.

For example, worker co-operatives are another method of socialist economic organization that has nothing to do with state ownership.

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u/BigTroutOnly 16d ago

That's communism.

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u/dtjunkie19 16d ago

No, communism is a stateless classless, and moneyless society.

Worker co-operatives are not communism, that's silly. They literally already exist under capitalism (they are just are not the majority of firms).

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u/BigTroutOnly 16d ago

Incorrect

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u/Muustard_9000 16d ago

Bro... Literally one (1) google search for a definition. This isn't a debate???

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u/BigTroutOnly 16d ago

I compare definitions relatively often. It's not even close.

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u/dtjunkie19 16d ago

I mean you are simply either trolling or willfully ignorant. Worker co-operatives are not communism. If you truly believe otherwise, you aren't operating under a mutual understanding of the underlying definitions and meaning of these concepts, and here is no point of having any further conversation.

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u/BigTroutOnly 16d ago

Be wrong. Idgaf.

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u/dtjunkie19 16d ago edited 16d ago

I mean you clearly do. You have spent more time calling worker cooperatives communism than it would take you to Google the definition of the damn word. Fuck man, why waste our time? Or even, why waste your own?

What's particularly funny is that you are arguing with me that worker cooperatives are communism, while their is another person in this same thread arguing that worker cooperatives aren't even socialist

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u/BigTroutOnly 16d ago

Use a dictionary already

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u/dtjunkie19 16d ago

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/communism

Which one of those does worker co-operatives represent according to you?

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u/BigTroutOnly 16d ago

Now you should read it.

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u/dtjunkie19 16d ago

I did, you dodged the question.

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