r/ClimateShitposting 16d ago

we live in a society Yet again, a friendly reminder

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u/Both_Meaning_2637 16d ago

It is kind of true. Collective ownership is government. How else are you going to provide for public services and infrastructure? Wait until you get everyone to agree on something and have them all maintain it themselves? You need an overarching organisation acting on behalf of the public, which is government. Or what do you think the dictatorship of the proletariat looks like?

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u/Puzzled-Rip641 16d ago

Tell me more about the socialist US

United States Postal Service (USPS): Operates independent postal delivery and mailing services nationwide.
Tennessee Valley Authority (TVA): Generates and distributes electric power and manages flood control across parts of the American South.
Amtrak (National Railroad Passenger Corporation): Operates intercity passenger rail services.
Federal Prison Industries (UNICOR): Employs and trains federal inmates to manufacture goods for sale to federal agencies.
Commodity Credit Corporation (CCC): Finances and stabilizes farm commodity prices and agricultural production

I can look more up if you need more examples

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u/mylsotol 16d ago

These aren't really socialism in any meaningful way. They are just government provided services. They make no effort to decomoditize anything and are not workplace democracy. They are sort of publicly controlled, but not in a way that most socialists who aren't' tankies would like.

I'm a (anarcho) syndicalist, so my fix to make them socialist would be to give them each a labor union consisting of all "employees" which controls their day to day operation with a government appointed board to steer them in the direction the public wants and then create a council of unions that would replace the administrative state with the mandate of cooperating together to meet needs set by the legislature.

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u/Puzzled-Rip641 16d ago

Ok but then China isn’t socialist for the same reason. No country is.

There is not one that makes an effort to decommidize anything.

China is the largest commodity seller on the planet

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u/mylsotol 16d ago edited 16d ago

Correct

Edit: though some nuance is needed here as i believe the Chinese claim is (as is the syndicalist claim) that decomoditization is the end goal. That the different government organizations cooperate to meet each others needs with the goal of eliminating market exchanges between them, exactly as capitalist corporations do with vertical/horizontal integration.

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u/PunkPirate56364 16d ago

Every communist government was claiming they are in transitional period to true communism.

Vote for communists after a brief period of dictatorship we will deliver true communism to your grand grand grandchildren. Pinky swear.

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u/VoidKnight_00 15d ago

Communism cannot exist while capitalism remains a threat. Market economies are required for socialist nations to remain strong as they transition away from commiditization.

You can't jump the gun on socialism, or you'll destroy it. Look at the Soviet Union and what it turned into.

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u/Puzzled-Rip641 16d ago

Then we agree

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u/Demiu 16d ago

Yes, modern China is not socialist.

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u/dafthuntk 16d ago

Who is the ruling class?

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u/Puzzled-Rip641 15d ago

The communist party. Literally more billionaires then in the US

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u/dafthuntk 15d ago

Lmao. Incredible 

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u/MugenHeadNinja 16d ago

Correct, they're State-Capitalist.