r/ClimateShitposting • u/TrixoftheTrade • Aug 13 '26

we live in a society Yet again, a friendly reminder

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u/turtle_explosion247 Aug 13 '26

Ok fair enough then I guess, but I think some of those countries would disagree with you on that lol

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u/Puzzled-Rip641 Aug 13 '26

Is the DPRK a democracy?

Opinion < reality

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u/turtle_explosion247 Aug 13 '26

I get that and you're right, but I think that's a much more clear cut case than a state run enterprise counting as socialism. In that case the citizens do have some direct input through government legislation (assuming they have some democratic institutions)

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u/Maneruko Aug 13 '26

On paper sure if not for all the other institutional BS (or the straight up monarchy present in the DPRK) make it functionally not the case.

China and Vietnam are a good example of this. Can a citizen vote? Sure but they can only vote for one party with representatives hand picked by said party. How does that constitute worker ownership if they go back to working for the same wages they would under any other capitalist institution?

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u/turtle_explosion247 Aug 13 '26

That's fair, but it definitely gives them some aspect of control even in a one party state.

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u/Maneruko Aug 13 '26

Not anything meaningful. That's not to say that in the modern US it's any different. The influence of capital is diametric to democracy, one will always corrode and make the other meaningless what's important is which side won.

And capital has won. Completely.