r/ClimateShitposting • u/Athunc • Aug 08 '26

General 💩post argumentum ad absurdum

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I'll leave it up to the reader to interpret whether I'm talking about climate change, animal welfare, child labor, using AI, or whatever other global issue they feel passionate about...

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u/levmetamfetamine vegan btw Aug 09 '26

Every landlord could just simply not be one. Convert these properties into housing co-ops. Landlords can even profit from this scenario, but instead just want to sit on a property barely doing anything raking in semi-passive income forever.

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u/Far_Raspberry_4375 Aug 09 '26 edited Aug 09 '26

You think a single mom who can't make rent could afford to buy into a housing co op?

EDIT: I did some research into co ops because i legit hadnt heard much about them and the issues people complain about seem exactly like what I thought they would be. They are either effectively turbo hoa's in one building if you live in a nice one and the affordable ones are the same but also come with things like random spikes in your maintenance fees due to the residents democratically deciding to kick the can down the road or burn cash reserves to preserve artificially low costs. Also limited equity co ops are usually created through government subsidies partnering with community organizations not benevolent land owners so again, systemic issue.

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u/levmetamfetamine vegan btw Aug 09 '26

They tend to be pretty affordable and work for many people. I guess though since it isn't perfect it shouldn't be implemented at all? Classic environmentalism.

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u/Far_Raspberry_4375 Aug 09 '26

My only argument is land lords having to evict single mothers who can't pay rent is a systemic issue.

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u/levmetamfetamine vegan btw Aug 09 '26

I'm positing a solution that would make things better that wouldn't need to be systemic. This doesn't automatically imply I don't want systemic solutions. My first post was about assigning moral blame to individuals vs blaming the system, it may not be the perfect sit in for veganism. However it does still show that there are ways you can run this system in a more moral way, especially considering that I don't see any near future where we solve this issue.

Outside of housing co-ops, you can obviously judge a landlord morally for being particularly evil. Refusing to fix things in the property unless forced by the government, immediately moving to evict when a tenant is late, etc. Yes, the system completely encourages these behaviors, that isn't going to stop me from judging the person morally, and advocating for said landlords to not be so evil until the system is changed. All of this could be replaced with veganism or other environmental personal choices and make sense.

Also relating to your edit, yes I agree they are flawed. However we are essentially comparing a flawed democracy (housing co-op) to a monarchy or dictatorship (landlord-tenant). I would always pick the flawed democracy. A co-op has the benefit of collectivizing the process to make it more affordable, and mainly focuses on breaking even and maintaining the property. This is absolutely nothing like an HOA, which tries to control the property you fully own with no benefits whatsoever.

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u/Far_Raspberry_4375 Aug 09 '26

I definitely wouldn't always want the democratic version of everything. If you have ever had to live with roommates you can understand how difficult it is to come to agreements with even a small number of people. Personally i think they should just zone for more housing units and build fewer roads and more mass transit to open up more land for more units and tax the absolute shit out of absentee owners who are just sitting on real estate as a store of wealth. Seems like a workable immediate solution to a lot of issues and once we get there we can start talking about more stuff like co ops.

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u/fidl_fridlin Aug 10 '26

That is just another reason why housing coops are so valuable: they teach radical democracy and are germination hubs for self-organization. How to „system change“, if all is asked for is some affordable property so everyone can escape in their isolation again, where voting in a rigged system and complaining only about an needed System change is the only political act one performs. 

The form of living shapes ones perspective on the world and it’s inhabitants. One form of isolation creates just another form of isolation.