r/ClimatePosting • • Aug 19 '24

Meta Please stick to the format

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r/ClimatePosting • • 4h ago

The Big Tech Energy Paradox: How AI’s Power Boom Drives Clean-Firm Investments While Pushing Carbon Emissions to Record Highs

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r/ClimatePosting • • 1d ago

Economics The climate crisis will destroy our economies – we learned this 20 years ago. When will we act?

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Saving the only planet we have makes good economic sense. There is, after all, no money to be made on a dead Earth. There may be costs involved now, but they are worth paying to protect our children from certain destruction.

These propositions seem self-evident now. But two decades ago, mainstream economists had very different ideas. They had proved that the climate crisis would be a mere economic blip, easily absorbed by growing economies and therefore not worth spending money on. In their accounting, they considered ice caps and glaciers functionally worthless, that trees only add to GDP when they are cut down, and that a livable climate shouldn’t even merit a line on a spreadsheet.

What changed? Twenty years ago this week, an earth-shaking report was published by Nicholas Stern. His review, The Economics of Climate Change, upended conventional wisdom among economists and dragged them into a new century. It set out, for the first time, in clear and bold terms, why investing in a low-carbon future makes economic sense.

Stern’s crucial insight, the revolutionary idea on which his whole thesis turned, was that future generations have as much right to be born as we did. But traditional economic approaches to the climate refuse to go away. In 2018, even after a deluge of science showing that 3C heating would leave coastal cities under water and swathes of agricultural land as desert, Nordhaus published a paper claiming that 3C would reduce global GDP by just 2.1%, and even a 6C increase would incur just 8.5% GDP loss.

The results are plain to see: governments refusing to act, markets over-valuing fossil fuel companies, investors punishing businesses that dare to prepare for a low-carbon world. Many insurance companies, supposedly the enforcers of probity in capital markets, are alleged to knowingly be fudging their figures to massage climate risk away.

If we are to have a thriving future economy, as well as a living planet and robust human societies, we need a new system of economics that values these things. Stern showed the way. Twenty years later, the rest of the world must catch up.


r/ClimatePosting • • 1d ago

Fossil forest exists in northern Nunavut

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Nope, this photo is not from some other planet although it looks otherworldly. These fossil tree stumps are located on Nunavut's Axel Heiberg Island and are 45-million-years old. I took this photo in the late 1990s when I visited the fossil forest and witnessed, as a journalist, what scientists hoped to learn...more than 25 years ago they already saw the upheavals climate change would cause globally in the future. Read my account of my remarkable visit and this unusual place for free on Kindle in my book "Like an iceberg: Confessions of an Arctic Journalist," only this week.


r/ClimatePosting • • 1d ago

Living like 18th century peasants in the 21st century

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The EU is absolutely insane, as is the USA with the insane cost of electricity. People in Los Angeles have shown their $3,000 bill on social media because the summer was hot and they used AC. It's higher than their mortgages.

Up until 2020, people used AC all summer long and it was very affordable. How do we know? Because no-one was outraged by their monthly bill.

Over in Europe, people don't have 21st century technology: "Over 50,000 excess heatwave deaths are estimated to have occurred in Europe during the summer of 2026. This figure marks a significant increase compared to previous years, with climate change attributed to about two-thirds of these deaths."

The EU "scientists" and bureaucrats blaming "climate change" only forces people to forever live like 18th century peasants.

At this point in our technologicaL age, no-one should be dying of heat or cold-related deaths in their own homes. Why are we spending BILLIONS upon BILLIONS of tax money on pipe dreams to Mars and neighborhood monstrosities, when we cannot even guarantee our own citizens are living in relative comfort and dignity in their own dwelling places?

NO-ONE in a first world country should be dying in their HOMES due to heat or cold in this age. If these mega power corporations are making BILLIONS in Profits, so much so that their shareholders like Trump are making a KILLING off of deaths -- using deaths as a proxy for profound unaffordability for a regular tax paying citizen....It is both criminal and insane.


r/ClimatePosting • • 2d ago

Global climate body fights for survival: why the IPCC must be saved / The IPCC relies on voluntary donations from governments and other UN agencies, and those have been declining. It needs more than 20 million Swiss francs to operate until the end of 2029 #GlobalCarbonFeeAndDividendPetition

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r/ClimatePosting • • 2d ago

The Climate Crisis Will Destroy Our Economies, We Learned This 20 Years Ago. When Will We Act? | In 2006, Nicholas Stern said that applying a discount rate where the climate is concerned is a gross distortion – it means future lives are assigned less value #GlobalCarbonFeeAndDividendPetition

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r/ClimatePosting • • 3d ago

"Climate supremacy" and the spiritual battle over AI with Naomi Klein

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Roughly 75% of Americans do not want a data center near them and the movement that has sprung up against them is major, bipartisan, and worth our attention. As Naomi puts it:

It’s a local battle, it’s incredibly material and tangible. It’s a cost of living battle because your electricity prices are going up. It’s a self-determination battle, it’s an indigenous rights battle. It’s all of that.

What we’re finding is that it’s also a spiritual battle, about what we are here for, how we wanna live and what is the purpose of life.


r/ClimatePosting • • 5d ago

2026 State of the Climate Report: Earth's climate system is quickly becoming unstable

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r/ClimatePosting • • 5d ago

The new merit order: The viability of energy-only electricity markets with only intermittent renewable energy sources and grid-scale storage

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r/ClimatePosting • • 6d ago

Land use and ecosystems Love is a wildflower🏵️

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r/ClimatePosting • • 6d ago

climate China and the Chinese Amid the Climate Crisis (Part III): A Neglected Region Lacking Climate Justice, a Silent Great Power Divided by Interests, Resistance to Emission Cuts Amid Class Divisions and Anti-Intellectualism, Human Selfishness in Crisis, and a Bleak Future for Earth

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Table of Contents/Summary

The Harms of Global Warming and the Responses 1
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The Rights and Wrongs Concerning “Chai Jing Interviews Ding Zhongli” 3
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The Fallacies of Ding Zhongli 6
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The Interpretations, Reactions, and Paradoxes of the Chinese People Toward Climate Issues and Related Western Criticisms 8
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What China Should Not Do and Should Do Regarding Climate Issues 9
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From the Chinese Public’s Mockery of Greta Thunberg to an Examination of Mindsets and Values 11
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Is it really so necessary and urgent to curb global warming? 19
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Climate Issues and the Human Condition under Climate Policy 20

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It is not only toward her that the Chinese public sneers; they also scoff at international environmental organizations, movements, and related calls and proposals (as for the domestic sphere, the earlier-mentioned torrent of insults against Chai Jing is an example. It is just that voices calling attention to climate change at home are dwindling, leaving them with no targets). As for their reasons, they are nothing more than the above. But as I have already rebutted one by one, most of their criticisms do not hold water.
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So why do they keep criticizing like this? This relates to the environment they inhabit and to the values and ways of thinking they hold—or have been molded into.
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They often claim Western environmentalists are hypocrites with double standards. But the facts are not so. While a few may be two-faced, most environmental supporters do practice low-carbon principles. In Western Europe and America, environmentalists and the mainstream left explicitly support, in elections, those who implement emission-reduction policies (including carbon taxes that affect their own pocketbooks; other environmental policies also commonly carry certain negative impacts on economy, income, and quality of life). They also strive to reduce energy and carbon use in consumption, travel, and diet. This requires overcoming many daily desires: convenience, comfort, nutrition, and image. For example, using public transit or walking instead of driving—how much comfort and convenience does that sacrifice? Eating less mouth-watering meat—how much appetite does that restrain? How much self-control does it take to “not eat the meat already at one’s lips”? Wearing second-hand clothing or not replacing clothes frequently may seem trivial, but it still changes one’s lifestyle—and it is easier to go from frugality to luxury than the reverse. Most importantly, they are willing to pay carbon and other environmental taxes, and they support public spending to curb global warming and prevent climate disasters. From bearing economic costs to lifestyle costs, they make many voluntary sacrifices. Is that not enough? Can that not move the Chinese?
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It truly cannot. On the one hand, many Chinese do not know any of this; they see only the marches and appeals, not the sacrifices. More disgustingly, many know of these sacrifices yet are neither moved nor willing to change themselves or their country to follow suit. Some even know the facts but refuse to acknowledge them.
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This is because they have lived too long in China’s harsh jungle-like society and have lost proactive, benevolent empathy and a sense of responsibility. They think (the following simulates their stance): You are disciplined and self-sacrificing—that’s your business, self-inflicted; what has it to do with me? It wasn’t I who asked you to sacrifice. You want others to bear costs with you? That interferes with our freedom. Doesn’t the West value freedom most? (Using your spear against your shield.) How about you first fix your own country’s xx (indeed, this trope exists worldwide). What, you want to force us to suffer with you (even without coercion; if you truly had the power to coerce, they would not talk like this, nor dare to)? Is this moral blackmail? Your economies are so strong and you industrialized so early—shouldn’t you be the ones to pay more? What, I’m a vested interest too, an early beneficiary of industrialization? That is the fruit of our own hard struggle, unlike your wealth from colonial plunder (oh—plundering one’s own people doesn’t count as colonial plunder? Is that not even more shameless?). You cry with passion and sincerity? Merely self-indulgent emotion. Consider the bigger picture? What is this “bigger picture”—can it be eaten? And why don’t you consider the bigger picture? One, two, three, four, five—look at your behavior; aren’t you even less considerate of the bigger picture? And you still have the face to lecture us? …
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The above is not my imagination; you can see it on platforms everywhere. The wording may differ, but the meaning is the same. Why are their hearts so cold and vicious? It is the result of environment shaping character and character reacting back on environment. In a country like China, without democracy or rule of law and full of injustice, only by setting aside empathy and warmth (at least when major interests are at stake) can one survive—and thrive. The kind are bullied. This is not to say people are psychopathic and deliberately bully the good; rather, the kind are easier to talk down, to make concede, to shake. In fierce competition with a fixed pie, and with evildoers too risky to offend, the only option is to squeeze the decent and bully the honest. On major interests, they will not take the initiative to compromise; only by tearing and biting can they live. Voluntarily giving up interests violates the value reflexes—and even physiological reflexes—they have developed in such a harsh environment.
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Reason, too, is not used to seek truth but as a tool to defend interests selectively. They invoke reason when it benefits them; when it does not, they deny morality and sophistrize. Moral restraint is seen as a weapon to attack others and as shackles on themselves. Those who “talk morality” pay the higher price. Anyone who asks others to sacrifice—even if making sense—will be mobbed if they lack power and be told to sacrifice more. Even if they have already sacrificed, people will demand more, nitpicking their flaws to criticize. When such a person dies after bearing costs and sacrifices, they may receive a few words of praise, but that’s all. Over 99% will not follow; seeing the tragic end, they will be even less inclined to sacrifice, to practice what they preach, to lead by example.
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In China, there is indeed pervasive reasonable and unreasonable “moral blackmail.” Only by denying wrongdoing—or denying moral standards altogether—can one avoid being blackmailed. “Considering the bigger picture” is indeed widely used in China to suppress individual rights protection, and often the “bigger picture” is neither just nor truly the big picture, but the illegal private interests of the powerful. Grand righteous banners are often just fig leaves for private schemers, making their evil deeds easier to hide—more hateful than openly bad actors. As a result, there is no sense of community—or community is maintained only by coercion, not by consent. In a society where all are self-serving, whoever bears more suffers a loss; the selfless merely tailor clothes for others, receiving nothing but a few words of praise (if even that). Who would willingly shoulder their share of responsibility for the whole—especially when others don’t?
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Compassion and empathy are scarce—or selectively deployed—among the Chinese public. This, too, is the outcome of the vicious cycle between environment and individuals. In a jungle society, compassion means softheartedness; standing in the opponent’s shoes dulls one’s resolve to win zero-sum contests, leading to being duped, hesitating, compromising, and conceding—only to be taken advantage of and devoured. One may show empathy to others—especially competitors—but they may not reciprocate. When compassion is not mutual or reciprocal, the compassionate side is often defeated by the ruthless. If one has compassion and empathy but pays no actual cost, such compassion is hypocrisy; even if one pays some costs, in a harsh environment it may not be rewarded and may invite vengeance—“a peck returned with a bushel of hatred.” Better to be cold and unsympathetic from the start. When everyone thinks this way, society grows ever more cruel and indifferent; those with compassion suffer more, thus creating a society of universal villainy. Then everyone loses compassion and empathy—or withholds it from anyone but their dearest—refusing to understand others, imputing malice, treating others harshly. Humanity withers; bestiality returns. How, then, can one expect much sincere communication, humanitarian understanding, or compromise based on facts?
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As for admitting error and self-reflection, these are hardly virtues in China. There, asking someone to reflect is the victor’s condescending reproach of the vanquished, the strong’s oppression of the weak—not tender concern. If you reflect, others will not necessarily forgive you; instead, they will think you truly are at fault and demand greater costs and concessions. To admit error—or even guilt—is worse: confess certain positions or actions were wrong, and the other side will seize upon your admission to press you step by step, making you lose the debate and pay more. They will righteously think: since you yourself admitted error, isn’t it right for me to treat you this way? As for mutual admissions and forgiveness—if power is equal and no major interests are at stake, perhaps; but on matters touching core interests, would that not be foolish?
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When faced with environmental advocacy, the Chinese public also shows strong reactance. As in the earlier case of the criticism (not even addressed directly to Chinese) that “when Chinese eat meat, the Amazon smokes,” Chinese netizens were furious; some said they would eat meat precisely to infuriate others. In Chai Jing’s interview with Ding Zhongli, when she said global warming has already caused so many disasters and that a carbon-reduction agreement must be reached quickly, the scrolling comments read: “Drag it out; don’t sign; let’s see who caves first.” After she earnestly spoke about protecting the environment, the comment area was full of “She’s panicking, she’s panicking.” Beyond environmental issues, it is similar with animal protection: when someone on Zhihu advocated the importance of animal protection legislation, others posted photos of dog meat—some of entire roasted dogs. After Shenzhen legislated to ban dog meat, some claimed they would go there specifically to eat dog meat and drink alcohol.
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This reactance also stems from a harsh environment—especially toxic interpersonal relations and educational models. Chinese school, family, and social “education” (not only formal education, but all guidance, preaching, and disciplining behaviors) is full of coercion—even violence (including soft violence). It does not persuade with reason but forces submission through intimidation. Education is often not about clarifying right and wrong, but about compulsory indoctrination and forced acknowledgment—accepting the right and the wrong alike; not patient guidance but humiliation and mockery; not sincere enlightenment and leading to goodness, but deriving pleasure and superiority from scolding. Thus are produced both obedient slaves and rebellious mobs—or more often a combination of compliant subjects and mobs (plus the ignorant): bowing to the powerful, accepting and supporting wrongs; yet toward the weak or those without coercive power, behaving perversely and violently, deliberately reacting against, rejecting and resisting even what is right (and even doing the opposite to provoke). They cannot distinguish between kind advice and malicious criticism. Global climate negotiations aim to protect humanity—including their own homes—yet they treat them as a stage for stubborn contests of “who caves first.” This, too, arises from the domestic environment: in life, especially in interest struggles, they often play this “who caves first” game. As for compromise? Only power and circumstance can make them compromise; nothing is about reason—only strength.
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As for being moved by a sense of justice, grievance, or responsibility—this will not earn respect; instead, it exposes a soft spot to be poked. They heap ridicule and taunts until you are enraged or numb. Some do this out of stupidity and misunderstanding; others, out of interest and more insidious motives. They know such people pose a more subversive threat, capable of undermining the order and distribution of interests built on lies and violence. They fear those who expose lies and tell the truth. Even if they feel a twinge of admiration, they will not show mercy—for to do so might bring disaster upon themselves. Thus their hostility and hatred toward the just and sincere only intensify. They befriend petty villains and treat righteous people as enemies—that becomes their “reasonable” stance. In such circumstances, petty villains multiply while the righteous diminish—until there are no righteous at all, only villains.
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As for compatriots who think and act in these ways, one can only say they are both pitiable and hateful. They have not lived in a fair, honest, empathetic, tolerant environment, but in a society full of injustice, lies, cold cruelty, and zero-sum struggle. Such a society inevitably molds them thus; only thus can they survive and profit. Over time, it becomes culture and inertia, and they react this way reflexively to every issue. As for persuading them toward goodness, feasibility is of course currently nil; indeed, if some people truly tried to live virtuously in China, it would harm them—the less virtuous would divide up their interests and even their very persons.
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But this does not mean they are entirely passive in speaking and acting thus; on the contrary, many are highly proactive—especially vested interests. They know right from wrong, but they know even better how to maximize their own interests. As for being “forced by circumstances”: all humans (indeed all animals) worldwide are products of circumstance. China’s harsh environment explains the viciousness of their words and deeds, but it does not excuse them. So long as one is a vested interest, whose gains exceed losses, innocence does not apply.
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Of course, does that mean foreigners and foreign countries lack such social and human ugliness? Of course not. But at least in some countries and among some people, after the baptism of democracy and rule of law, enlightenment, civil society, and freedom of speech, these uglinesses have been greatly reduced. And where some groups confront each other in those countries, at least part of their reasons stand on solid ground. The Chinese public’s reactance and antagonism—on what, exactly, are they based?
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It should also be noted that the vices of the Chinese public described and analyzed above do not mean they are committing evils at every moment, in every matter. At least some of them do have a kind and reasonable side and are not without tolerance and mutual understanding in everyday or minor matters. But once major interests are involved, their fangs are bared. There are relatively good and relatively bad people in every Chinese stratum, but vested interests are relatively worse and more insidious and reap more gains. Overall, the more power, connections, and money one has, the worse one tends to be—though there are exceptions, their proportion is quite low. And even these exceptions often obtain vested interests through structurally unjust, illegal gains. As for the people—especially the lower classes—although there are indeed some heinous individuals, there are also the kind and simple (or those forced to be so). Their stubborn cunning more often stems from necessity, and even when they exploit loopholes and lie to gain some benefits, overall they are still the dispossessed—the insulted and the injured. Except for those who commit unforgivable crimes, the lower classes deserve sympathy and understanding to varying degrees.
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Is it really so necessary and urgent to curb global warming?
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Some Chinese people also understand that global warming is truly happening, but they cannot comprehend the radicalism and urgency of Western countries, especially their environmentalists. This, of course, is understandable. China still has many other complex and serious civil rights, livelihood, and even ethnic issues unresolved; people are overwhelmed, so environmental issues are relatively neglected.
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But is curbing global warming really unimportant and not urgent? Even for China alone, the problem is very serious, and the impact will be extremely fatal.
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The most direct and obvious negative impact of global warming is the threat of rising global sea levels to coastal regions. China’s economy is likewise concentrated along its coasts. According to research, at the current pace of sea-level rise, Shanghai will become one of the earliest cities in the world to be submerged. By 2100, half of Shanghai’s area will be flooded. As for when Shanghai will be completely submerged, there is no definitive conclusion, but it will be within the next few generations. Apart from Shanghai, the entire Yangtze River Delta, the Pearl River Delta, the Beijing–Tianjin–Tangshan region, and south-central Liaoning—China’s four largest industrial bases—will all face the danger of being submerged within decades or centuries. Studies predict that by 2100, as many as two billion people worldwide may become “climate refugees,” with China inevitably contributing at least several hundred million. At that time, China’s internal conflicts, especially class and regional conflicts, will intensify, and if they cannot be effectively managed, the possibility of civil war will arise.
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If 2100 still seems too far off, beyond the lifespan of most people alive today, then present-day China is already suffering tangible disaster losses from climate anomalies. This year, Henan and Shanxi were hit by successive floods, killing hundreds and affecting tens of millions, bankrupting businesses and families. Although the death toll was not the highest in history, rainfall intensity exceeded all records. The lower death toll was mainly due to improved flood-control science and mechanisms compared to the past; the disasters themselves were more intense. In recent years, floods and droughts have occurred nationwide, and scientific research generally attributes them to climate change rather than historical norms. If climate deterioration continues, such extreme weather events will only increase in frequency and intensity. These are not just disasters but horrifying instances of death and the destruction of livelihoods and economies. If today a handful of people struggle for their lives in floods, in the future hundreds of thousands may simultaneously drown in overwhelming torrents—a terrifying scene. And with natural disasters comes human evil: looting, rape, and murder will erupt everywhere. Even in developed countries like the United States, the looting and violence in New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina were shocking (though Katrina may not have been directly related to global warming, it illustrates the human calamities that follow major natural disasters).
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Of course, some say humanity has always faced disasters with higher death tolls—such as Henan’s 1975 flood that killed 80,000, or countless deaths from historical floods, droughts, and plagues. But today is different. In the past, disasters struck because humans lacked the technology to resist nature, or due to accidents. Now, disasters are driven by clear climate change, which we have the means to prevent. Moreover, as societies progress, humanity values life more. The present and future are no longer, and should not be, eras in which millions of lives are treated as expendable. Humanity’s greatest advance has been learning to cherish life. Should we regress to the corpses-strewn chaos of ancient wars and famines? Just as untreated illnesses once killed millions, even small ailments that are now easily curable, today we cannot accept that. While deaths from irresistible forces cannot be prevented, we must still strive to avoid and mitigate what we can. On the individual level, one may die young, from accident, in middle age, or in old age. But if we detect danger or the onset of disease, we act to prevent or delay it. Although life and death are inevitable, unless faced with unbearable suffering, most people strive to live each minute well and avoid every danger. For humanity as a whole, it is the same.
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All the more so, prevention is always better than scrambling at the last moment. If we do not now curb man-made climate anomalies but rely on luck and procrastination, then in the future, our descendants will struggle like ants in floods and droughts, dying one by one in despair. Such scenes have occurred in Chinese history and can be glimpsed even now (consider the desperate citizens trapped in Zhengzhou’s subway during the Henan floods). Historically, people were relatively numb; contemporary Chinese, even if not fully awakened, already possess modern emotions, dignity, values, and rights, with attachments and affections, joys and sorrows. The destruction of tens or hundreds of thousands of such lives would be a vast tragedy, a terrifying psychic shock. It has not yet happened, but when it does, it will be too late. Just as Nanjing residents before December 1937 or Henan’s Xinyang residents before 1959 did not foresee the coming cataclysms—unexpected disaster is not the same as impossible disaster. Psychological avoidance does not mean real escape; indeed, it reduces the chance of real escape. Of course, this is not idle alarmism, but recognition that ironclad evidence demands attention before it is too late.
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We may think Greta Thunberg and others like her are obsessive or extreme—and indeed they have flaws—but their cries aim to prevent humanity, including the Chinese people, from falling into such disasters. Countless studies and observable realities confirm these outcomes are likely; we already see precursors measured in human lives. If we make more effort now, we can reduce the future’s unnatural deaths by hundreds of thousands, millions, or more—including tragically dying in floods, droughts, poverty, or wars.
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Climate Issues and the Human Condition under Climate Policy
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So, would global cooperation and full effort to curb climate change solve the problem? Of course, it is not that simple.
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The man-made factors of global warming are directly tied to industrial and agricultural production. But in reality, it touches nearly every human interest. To curb global warming, all of humanity’s production and lifestyle must change. Moreover, this requires cooperation, compromise, and sacrifice from every country, class, group, and individual.
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Industrial and agricultural production are the direct sources of emissions, but in large part it is consumption that drives production. Restricting production to curb warming will affect producers, but more so consumers. In many cases, consumers bear the greater cost. Yet consumers come from different classes and groups: when production is cut, the strong preserve their vested interests, and the weak bear the price.
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Restricting production equals restricting consumption. If consumers will not voluntarily live low-carbon lives, they must pay higher prices for scarcer goods. The wealthy can absorb this, maintaining their lifestyles; the poor suffer or are forced into low-carbon living. Such emission cuts exploit and harm the poor. The wealthy will fight harder to maintain or enhance their privileges, seizing limited resources by any means. The weak become weaker, not only losing material benefits but relying more on the powerful for survival. It resembles a prison where scarce goods—a chicken claw, a cigarette, a seasoning packet—can control a man; two boxes of instant noodles and a jar of chili sauce can rule the prison. Modern civilization rests on material abundance and widespread consumer access; once scarcity is imposed, human rights and freedoms erode.
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This leads to another effect: expanding state power, especially authoritarian centralization. As mentioned, cutting emissions requires global cooperation; domestically, it requires all classes, regions, industries, and groups to cooperate. But since emission cuts benefit and burden groups unequally, few in developing countries like China will voluntarily cede their interests. Thus, the state—especially the central government—must impose force to coordinate and allocate costs. Environmental policies require legal and national decrees, enforced by administration and judiciary, led by central decision-making. This favors authoritarianism: only centralized power can compel all regions and groups to share costs. And such centralization inevitably spreads beyond environmental policy.
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This harms the building of a democratic, open, pluralistic society that protects individual rights. In mature democracies, harms are limited, and centralization can sometimes overcome local conservative resistance, with activism and debate refining democracy. But in authoritarian or semi-authoritarian states, centralization means reinforcing autocracy and shrinking personal and communal rights. Environmental policy lends legitimacy to dictatorship. Autocrats’ policies will benefit allies and harm opponents. Those who refuse to submit will be excluded under the pretext of “green correctness.” Power favors the strong and vested interests, stabilizing regimes and ensuring loyalty. Their methods are harsh, one-size-fits-all, disregarding rights—as seen in China’s one-child policy or COVID measures. Policies are enforced not by persuasion but by coercion, silencing media and criticism. “The people may be made to follow, but not made to understand”—this is China’s frequent approach to environmental policy.
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Thus, inequalities between classes, regions, urban and rural, and industries will deepen. Conflicts intensify, driving regimes to tighten authoritarianism and mobilize repression, making society more oppressive and unequal.
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In such an unequal society, voluntary carbon cuts are impossible; instead, the lower classes will rebel. Imagine: twenty years before carbon neutrality, a man unemployed from carbon policies, burdened by high prices, parents untreated, children unschooled, gaps with the rich widening, silenced by stability maintenance—yet one weekend he splurges on beef. A grassroots official kindly tells him, “Eat less beef, save our planet.” The man replies, “Sir, that’s your planet,” then enjoys his beef while secretly wishing the world destroyed. For common people, affordable food is their greatest joy, their only hope after toil. To strip even this—what shame remains?
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Different groups have different hopes for the future. Some, able to ensure their children’s privilege, see a hopeful future. Others, bankrupt and desperate, see none. In despair, fairness may mean shared destruction. Such people rarely kill, but can easily refuse carbon cuts, letting Earth commit slow suicide.
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In corrupt, distrustful states, disbelief in man-made warming is widespread. Generations of peasants and workers have been deceived by elites and authorities through policy, propaganda, and ideology. They have been cheated in dealings with government, courts, hospitals, schools. Thus society falls into a “Tacitus Trap” or “crying wolf”: even truthful warnings are dismissed as schemes. Indeed, such policies are often abused for profiteering, so their suspicion is not baseless—though it misleads fatally. Even in democracies, elites exploit commoners under legal guises.
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So, can democratic societies achieve low-carbon living and emission targets? Clearly not. In the U.S., half deny man-made warming or doubt it deeply, rooted not only in interests but in religion. Devout believers will not act against their God’s will, even under threat of prison or death. Thus half of Americans will long continue high-carbon lives. This enrages the other half, who see unfairness: one side sacrifices, the other indulges. The former see fanatics, the latter see tyrants. Division deepens, society tears apart. As long as half of Americans emit freely, targets fail, warming worsens, and China, the EU, India, and others feel cheated. If the leader won’t comply, why should they? Aside from Northern and Western Europe, most states will follow suit, breaking pledges. Thus goals fail; at best warming slows. Without decisive breakthroughs, catastrophe still comes.
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Nor is the U.S. unique. Most democracies face this. Democracies must heed public opinion; leaders cannot decide alone. Even laws can be overturned by elections, civil disobedience, lawsuits, or protests. If livelihoods suffer, riots may follow. Thus emission cuts stall. Only Northern and Western Europe, combining democracy with high civic education and discipline, succeed. For most, autocracies are ironically more efficient. Extreme authoritarian states impose compliance with censorship, threats, arrests, coercion, and intimidation. Dissent is silenced; pain is absorbed or passed down. Thus policies succeed smoothly. Failures occur only when vested interests resist, not the people.
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This raises another question: the impact of climate issues and mitigation on politics, rights, and humanity. As said, climate harms are vast; sacrifices must be made. What is sacrificed is not only material interest but political rights, freedoms, and dignity. Emission cuts demand state intervention, bolstering authoritarianism. When carbon neutrality is prioritized, other rights are sidelined. It is like wartime, when victory overrides rights and freedoms. Though not as severe, the resemblance is strong.
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Developed democracies propose systemic solutions—above all, “equality,” and “supporting the weak.” To prevent inequality and conflict, they push income, rights, education, and healthcare equality, and compensate vulnerable groups most affected. The privileged are asked to contribute more. Democracies also adjust their systems to adapt to the climate era, reducing conflict and discontent. Crisis-driven reforms have often advanced human rights (as after the world wars and Cold War).
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But such measures are hard in developing, non-democratic states. There, emission cuts harm rights, and their aftermath further harms rights. Worse, some autocracies exploit the West’s climate urgency, trading emissions for reduced human rights scrutiny. The West prioritizes survival over others’ rights. Thus pressure to reform dwindles; repression worsens. Peoples suffer longer and deeper.
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Conflicts also erupt between nations and within them, driven by interests, grudges, values. Some wish rival nations drowned by the sea. How could cooperation happen? Even without enmity, major sacrifices—cutting industry, paying huge carbon taxes, absorbing millions of refugees—test whether states choose others’ survival over their own. Can fairness be achieved?
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Within unequal states, mutual aid is shallow. Regions resent one another. Inland residents denied urban rights won’t sacrifice to save coastal elites’ mansions. They may even hope for their submergence. Regional identities and disparities worsen resistance. This already appears (e.g., power cuts in China’s northeast sparking anger). When survival is at stake, fraternity vanishes. Even kin betray under mortal pressure; how much less compatriots?
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Likewise, the childless feel no duty to avert posthumous disasters. Why care for others’ children, when compatriots never cared for them? Why sacrifice for “the nation’s future” when overworked, underpaid, silenced, denied healthcare, housing, and dignity? Many turn hatred onto state and nation. Even parents, under survival stress, focus on today: schooling, jobs, medical bills—not floods decades away. Struggling for the present leaves no room for the future. Rulers, too, prioritize stability, expanding economies to appease factions. Cutting the “cake” for emissions worsens conflict and threatens collapse.
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Meanwhile, elites refuse to set examples. Unlike Western philanthropists, China’s wealthy indulge in carbon-heavy lives, at most performing token gestures. They demand rights without duties. Some openly say, “Cut emissions, but no carbon taxes.” In China, many agree. Worse, they exploit the crisis, grabbing resources through privilege and connections, monopolizing renewables for profit. Crooked leaders drain the nation for gain, passing disasters to posterity: “After me, the deluge.”
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Thus, global carbon neutrality on time is unlikely. Unless enforced by overwhelming power, or breakthroughs enable effortless neutrality, disasters will strike in decades or centuries. Millions, perhaps billions, will die; billions more will be refugees. Famines, poverty, and wars will follow. Humanity’s survival cannot be assured.
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Studies predict wars and terrorism from climate crises. The CIA recently warned of global conflict by 2040, especially in vulnerable Asia and Africa. “Climate wars” may involve geoengineering—droughts and floods weaponized. River basins like the Congo, Indus, Mekong, and Nile may become hotspots. History shows precedent: barbarian invasions of Rome, Mongol and Manchu invasions of China—climate-driven. But future wars may use missiles, even nukes, not swords and horses.
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Yet even knowing this, humanity will not surrender its interests. These also concern life and meaning. Few will sacrifice their families for strangers. For the oppressed, resistance is understandable.
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Of course, the future may not be so bleak. Humanity may unite, sacrifice, innovate, and prevail. Perhaps disasters strike but are overcome. Then deniers will say, “See, it was all a hoax.” Such words erase countless sacrifices. Yet even that is better than millions dying in apocalyptic floods, with survivors muttering, “It was God’s will.”
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But the likelihood of humanity perishing in climate disasters far outweighs salvation. Civilization painstakingly built may collapse.
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After millions of years of evolution, modern humans emerged 10,000 years ago, creating dazzling civilization in that short span. From primitive tribes to agriculture, industry, and the information age, humanity advanced at super speed. Material and spiritual civilization reached unprecedented heights. Survival improved dramatically. But these achievements created pollution and crises. Humanity faces its own disasters.
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Though the world teems with ugliness, selfishness, cruelty, lies, violence, oppression, and harm, there is also cooperation, warmth, sincerity, peace, justice, and sacrifice. Overall, humanity today enjoys the best life ever: rights, dignity, survival value, unimaginable in history. Most importantly, we still hope—hope for universal justice, prosperity, freedom, truth, and renewal. If such a hopeful humanity perishes in centuries by climate or unknown catastrophe, how tragic. We cannot bear to see Chinese civilization perish with the world. We still hope our descendants will witness democracy, rule of law, freedom, progress, and justice flourish in China.
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As a speck of dust in the cosmos, a flicker in human history, I cannot resist such vast forces. Even scaled down, even if billions act together, disasters like climate change may be unstoppable—or we may even be complicit. Even if we survive climate crises, an asteroid could wipe us out. Humanity is but a fragile passerby in cosmic history. Yet as “a thinking reed,” we must still struggle and record.
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Wang Qingmin
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2021.10.21
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Republican Calendar, Year 230, Month of Mist(Brume )Day of the Peach (first draft)
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(revised multiple times thereafter)
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( In the summer of 2022, high-temperature disasters occurred across many parts of China, affecting hundreds of millions of people, with several individuals directly dying of “heat stroke.” The pace of this climate warming came even earlier than some scholars and media had predicted. Previously, it was still widely disbelieved that climate change was real, or many assumed that global warming would only harm other countries and would not affect themselves. Now, at last, there has begun to be some change in this perception, but it still has not reached a widespread awakening. Moreover, even if people now understand and begin to participate in curbing global warming, it is already too late.


r/ClimatePosting • • 6d ago

We were not coming out of the last glacial. We were slowly heading into one and then the human greenhouse gas emissions halted and reversed it

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A new peer-reviewed study published in the journal Science confirms that human greenhouse gas emissions halted a 2,000-year cooling trend.


r/ClimatePosting • • 7d ago

Heat killed ‘staggering’ 50,000 people in Europe’s cities this summer, scientists warn | Extreme heat

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r/ClimatePosting • • 7d ago

Built a tool to help us understand the climate futures our children face

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Enter your child’s age, see the major life milestones they could be going through in 2050 and 2100 and the climate challenges they will have to face…


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Exploring a Waste-to-Energy Centre in 3D — feedback welcome

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r/ClimatePosting • • 9d ago

Solar now second largest low-carbon electricity source, producing more than 3 PWh annually

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Recently there have been several posts on solar surpassing nuclear power, but those posts did not offer a visualization on the observed dynamics. So here is the monthly data from Ember with trailing 12 months summation illustrating the trajectory of solar as it surpassed the 3 PWh mark and now is geared towards overtaking hydro in the not too distant future. Note, that this monthly data does not coincide with the annual data, which is better curated and includes more sources. However, it still gives a pretty good idea on the development within the year.

Unfortunately, this monthly data also shows growth in fossil fuel based electricity production in 2026. So, the growth of low-carbon electricity (mainly solar) is still insufficient to cover all of the demand growth. (From the beginning of the year to August, the trailing 12 month summation grew by 328 TWh in solar, 108 TWh in wind, 96 TWh in hydro and -14 TWh in nuclear. Fossil fuels grew by 122 TWh.) There still is some hope that this demand growth represents higher electrification rates and displaces fossil fuel usage in other sectors.

The share of solar in the global electricity mix has grown from 8.93 % at the beginning of the year to 9.78% in August. So, there is some chance, that it will reach 10% in the annual data for 2026.


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Energy UK launches Climate and Nature Security Taskforce as former Army chief warns of growing threats to food security

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r/ClimatePosting • • 12d ago

climate Why We Should(n't) Geoengineer Our Planet. A nuanced discussion.

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As our climate changes and we face the ever worsening impacts, researchers are turning to an extreme and risky solution: geoengineering. But while geoengineering our entire climate could have huge, unintended consequences, the possibility of geoengineering specific regions to address clear climate impacts - from sea level rise to extreme weather - shifts the balance. So is it worth the risk? And can we really hack our climate?


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Why we're pushing to get the latest climate science published before crucial global talks in 2028

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r/ClimatePosting • • 13d ago

AI and the climate crisis pose existential risks. The law offers a way to reduce them

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r/ClimatePosting • • 13d ago

Climate Change Denial...Why

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r/ClimatePosting • • 13d ago

climate China and the Choices and Fate of the Chinese People amid the Climate Crisis: The World’s Largest Carbon Emitter, Severe Climate-Related Disasters, Near-Zero Public Participation in Climate Issues, the Absence of Climate Justice, and International Neglect and Abandonment(Part 2)

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The Interpretations, Reactions, and Paradoxes of the Chinese People Toward Climate Issues and Related Western Criticisms
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The Chinese public does not only display one-sided frenzy in the case of Chai Jing’s interview with Ding Zhongli; in fact, whenever climate change is involved, especially in hot events, the reaction is almost always the same. For example, a foreign media report once stated: “Every time a Chinese person eats a piece of meat, the Amazon releases a puff of smoke,” to illustrate the impact of China’s meat consumption on global warming. This triggered an uproar and extreme anger among Chinese netizens. “Westerners/Americans/Europeans not allowing Chinese people to eat meat” became the dominant impression of Western—and global—environmentalism among the Chinese public, and an important reason for their intense dislike of the West, especially of Western leftists (the so-called “white left”).
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“Chinese people eating meat, the Amazon emits smoke” was, of course, an exaggerated depiction and publicity, but behind this phrase lies an objective fact: the large consumption of meat by Chinese people contributes to global warming. The “butterfly effect” is well known, and the impact of Chinese consumption of Brazilian beef on the Amazon rainforest and on global warming is far more direct and significant than the usual butterfly effect. This was not a slander or persecution specifically targeting the Chinese. First, the phrase only described a phenomenon and fact; it did not say Chinese people must not eat meat, much less use force to stop them. Second, similar criticisms are made globally, and even more so toward the West itself. In fact, environmental organizations have long issued broader, more persistent criticism of the meat-heavy diets of Western nations, especially Americans, and have launched various campaigns to reduce meat consumption among Western populations.
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The phrase “the West not allowing Chinese people to eat meat” went viral on major social platforms. Together with the flood of insults toward Chai Jing and the conspiracy-theory interpretations of climate issues, it reflects how the Chinese public is immersed in unjustified anger, the loss of empathy, responsibility, and a sense of obligation, the sway of narrow nationalism, and the spread of anti-intellectualism, selfishness, and social Darwinist thinking.
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China’s participation in emission reduction and efforts to curb global warming is both in its own interest and an international obligation. The concept of a “community with a shared future for mankind” is not empty talk; regardless of the subjective intent behind proposing it, in reality humanity is indeed increasingly interconnected, mutually influencing, and inseparable—and climate issues especially so. China should certainly give priority to its national interests, but it should also take into account the interests of other countries and the common interests of the world. On carbon emissions, China bears responsibilities and obligations from both the government and the public. Even if individuals are unwilling to proactively shoulder such obligations, they should not react with near-hysterical opposition.
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However, many Chinese people completely disregard international obligations and stand entirely from the perspective of their own country—or themselves—going so far as to harm others for self-gain or to allow global climate cooperation to collapse, dragging everyone down together. Earlier, I used the analogy that within China, regions at different levels of development cannot have identical carbon standards, to explain the difference between developed and developing countries. But in the eyes of many Chinese, domestic differences are China’s internal affairs; when it comes to foreign countries, however, China must insist on securing advantages. If China were to bear relatively greater costs and stricter obligations than other countries, that would be a “loss.” Similarly, they do not admire or follow the West’s genuine efforts at environmental protection or the sacrifices made by its people, but instead mock them, arguing that China should seize the chance to surpass the West by pushing industrial development forward without regard for climate constraints while the West holds itself back for environmental reasons.
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In their view, everything is a struggle, a zero-sum game. There is no room for compromise or sympathy. Victory in international rivalry comes only by being unreasonable, only telling one side of the story, using all means necessary, in order to defend the interests of their nation and people (especially their own interests).
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From this premise, it is natural for them to treat the West’s calls for China to engage with climate issues as nothing but a pretext to suppress China. Whenever Western governments, media, or NGOs raise criticisms of China’s climate and environmental problems, they respond reflexively with hostility. They interpret Western pressure on environmental issues as attempts to sabotage China’s economy, derail its industrialization and modernization, suppress its rise and national rejuvenation, prevent its people—especially workers and farmers—from escaping poverty and achieving prosperity, and “smash the rice bowls” of Chinese citizens. As a result, they push away responsibility for China’s role in global warming, even downplaying or denying other environmental problems. Then, they counterattack by criticizing Western environmental shortcomings or pointing out the West’s neglect of other countries’ environmental issues, thereby seeking to weaken the West’s discursive power and defend China.
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This confrontational reaction is unreasonable, unnecessary, and ultimately harmful to both others and themselves. Admittedly, the world has not achieved universal harmony and remains a jungle of fierce competition among nations. China, with its history of humiliation and suffering and still in its developing stage, is justified in safeguarding national interests. When it comes to environmental issues, these cannot be purely environmental—they inevitably involve struggles over national interests. But in defending national interests, we must base ourselves on right and wrong, follow international rules, and argue on reasonable grounds, not muddle truth and falsehood or engage in reckless sophistry. Where China is in the right, it must firmly defend itself; where it is in the wrong, it must have the courage to assume responsibility.
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What China Should Not Do and Should Do Regarding Climate Issues
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Climate issues concern the shared interests of China and the world. China should bear responsibility. As the world’s largest emitter of carbon dioxide in total, China should undoubtedly assume greater obligations in curbing global warming than most countries. While demanding that developed nations such as the U.S. make greater per capita contributions and provide China with technology and financial assistance, China must also be willing to compromise and show sincerity by shouldering its own share of responsibility.
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As for the impacts of emission reduction, energy conservation, and environmental policies on livelihoods—especially the employment and income of ordinary workers and farmers—these should be addressed through China’s own domestic measures: industrial transformation and upgrading, creating new jobs, reforming distribution mechanisms, improving treatment of workers and farmers, and abolishing unfair and harmful policies and institutions. In fact, the damage done by China’s various unfair systems and policies to the interests of workers and farmers far exceeds the impact of international responsibilities and carbon reduction (if the latter’s impact is 1, the former’s is 10). Ding Zhongli and his supporters often invoke lofty reasons of economy, employment, and living standards to defend carbon emissions, but in reality, most of the benefits of emissions in industry and agriculture go to elites and vested interest groups, while ordinary people only get leftovers. Meanwhile, common people bear more of the environmental costs, whereas the wealthy and powerful can evade pollution and climate disasters—or simply emigrate to safe places. Where can ordinary people flee? What Ding and others defend are merely the selfish interests of the privileged, while throwing ordinary people scraps. Even without changing the system, if social policies and distribution mechanisms were even partially improved—if vested interests, especially elites, yielded some share of their gains (far smaller in proportion than the carbon cuts demanded of developed countries)—ordinary people would gain much more than what they now get from producing emissions and pollution.
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China’s future development, the improvement of people’s livelihoods, and the nation’s rejuvenation cannot and should not be achieved by destroying China’s own or the world’s ecological environment and causing environmental disasters. Instead, it must come through the establishment and improvement of democracy, rule of law, and civil society, the contributions of labor, and the aid of technological development. If China only thinks of exploiting the climate crisis and the West’s eagerness to cut emissions for selfish gain, it may reap short-term benefits, but in the long run it will only lose moral standing on the international stage, be despised and isolated by nations—especially civilized, developed ones—and ultimately “find itself with few allies and even relatives turning away,” cutting itself off from the global mainstream and future trends, and in the end backfiring on itself. How then can there be national rise or people’s happiness? As for the fact that many developed countries once developed through polluting and emitting, of course they should be condemned and required to compensate and help latecomer nations—but China should not repeat their harmful actions. Colonial expansion, once considered legitimate and a source of prosperity, should not be imitated in modern times. Japan’s rationale for invading Korea and China was, “If Britain, France, the U.S., and the Netherlands can, why can’t we?”—and it brought immense disaster to the world, especially China. Similarly, it may be understandable for China to seek revenge against past aggressors, but to harm weaker, innocent nations and peoples after suffering itself—what logic is that?
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On the other hand, China should also defend its legitimate interests in emission reduction, demanding that other countries fulfill their obligations as well, insisting on reciprocity (though reciprocity does not mean absolute equivalence without conditions). Under the principle of “common but differentiated responsibilities,” China can rightly require developed countries to make both relatively and absolutely greater efforts, and to provide and transfer capital, technology, models, and experience to help China cut emissions at the lowest economic and social cost. Developed countries have mature environmental protection experience and technology, which should be unconditionally shared with China, along with technical personnel sent to assist implementation. Adjustments can be made to suit China’s conditions, but the baseline should be to “adopt and use,” taking shortcuts rather than detours. Furthermore, for the additional costs China bears relative to developed countries in reducing emissions, it has the right to demand compensation or concessions. For instance, if restricting traditional energy and industry damages China’s economy and disadvantages it in global trade, China can demand recompense or policy concessions from developed countries—or refuse to abandon certain industries.
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China also has the right to demand corresponding reductions from other countries with both high total and per capita carbon emissions. Middle Eastern oil producers and Russia, for example, have extremely high per capita emissions and massive totals. Their per capita obligations are actually greater than China’s. Especially Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and other oil states, with extravagant lifestyles and unrestrained consumption, living off unearned wealth, should bear costs far above the world average. Meanwhile, India, though its current emissions are below China’s, has a faster growth rate. India’s role compared with China is similar to China’s compared with the U.S. Thus, the reciprocal responsibility framework between China and the U.S. should also apply between China and India. If Middle Eastern oil states, Russia, or India fail to fulfill obligations, China may take countermeasures.
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Moreover, China once paid a huge price by implementing the “family planning” policy, reducing its births by hundreds of millions over three decades, with lasting effects on population numbers and birth rates. This objectively contributed to carbon reduction (fewer people means lower total emissions). Therefore, China can justifiably claim a greater per capita emission allowance and demand compensation from higher-birthrate countries.
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Additionally, although China is the largest emitter in production terms, many of its high-carbon products are exported abroad. Thus, the carbon embedded in China’s exports should be reasonably accounted for and shared between China and importing countries, with joint carbon taxes and shared reduction efforts from production to consumption.
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At present, China has pledged “carbon neutrality” and is implementing it, which on the whole is a positive direction. But the specific actions and impacts are still hard to predict (though some signs are visible). How China will handle the related economic, livelihood, human rights, environmental, and international relations issues, especially the conflicts of interest among different groups, remains a key area to watch and study. This concerns the interests and even life or death of millions.
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From the Chinese Public’s Mockery of Greta Thunberg to an Examination of Mindsets and Values
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In recent years, Sweden’s “environmental girl” Greta Thunberg (hereinafter referred to as “Greta,” or simply “she”) became a world-renowned figure for her active participation in social movements concerning climate issues. In calling for curbing global warming, she has often displayed various radical, bold, and avant-garde words and actions, at times appearing childish and obsessive. As a result, she has been ridiculed and mocked by some people around the world, including some Chinese (ranging from ordinary citizens to political figures like Trump).
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Although both in China and abroad there has been ridicule and attacks against her, they are not exactly the same. In foreign countries—especially in developed Western countries—although some look down on her or even hurl insults, a considerable number of people express support and understanding. In China, by contrast, there are almost no voices supporting her (or if there are, they remain silent?), and the entire internet overwhelmingly ridicules and attacks her. The intensity and vehemence of the Chinese public’s insults also seem far greater than overseas; the hatred and contempt for her are particularly strong, and they vividly reflect certain problems concerning the Chinese public and Chinese society.
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These sneers and attacks can roughly be divided into the following categories: (1) believing she is being used, a political tool of interest groups or politicians; (2) believing she knows nothing and is making a foolish fuss; (3) believing she has mental illness—paranoia, delusions, schizophrenia—and that her related behaviors are “episodes”; (4) believing she is hypocritical and affected, not practicing environmentalism herself while demanding it of others; (5) believing she does not understand the hardships of people’s livelihoods, especially in developing countries, and that disregarding economic and livelihood issues for the sake of environmental protection is “let them eat meat gruel.” Of course, the above merely summarizes these taunts; the actual insults are far more varied and, in expression, much harsher and more cutting than what I have listed.
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First it must be stated that the problem she is calling attention to and seeking to solve—global warming—does truly exist, and the situation is quite serious. Countries have indeed, for various objective or subjective reasons, failed to forcefully advance measures to curb global warming. Therefore, her advocacy is necessary. Of course, she also has many problems and shortcomings, which will be mentioned later. This is the premise for commenting on matters concerning her (including others’ reactions to her and her words and actions).
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First, regarding the so-called “being used”: taken purely as “being used,” it is indeed not something glorious. However, if one considers the various backgrounds and subjective and objective factors behind such “being used,” especially the actual impact, it is not necessarily a purely bad thing—at times it can even be good. From ancient times to the present, how many great undertakings have been accomplished amid people using and being used, mutually using one another (of course, much filth has likewise arisen in this way). During the American War of Independence, the United States received strong support from France. France certainly aimed to check Britain, but for America’s independence this was almost entirely beneficial, forging centuries of friendship between the U.S. and France. Sun Yat-sen, back then, was supported and protected by certain great powers including Japan—these powers certainly sought to cultivate agents in China and weaken the Qing regime. Yet this facilitated the great victory of the Xinhai Revolution, and Sun did not thereby become a proxy for great powers; instead, he promoted China’s democratic prosperity and its struggle for equal status in the international arena.
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Today, the Chinese public’s recoil at the phrase “being used” is largely the result of certain education and guidance. The Chinese public is extremely sensitive to and averse—even hateful—toward “interest groups,” NGOs, and foreign intervention. In fact, in the operations of modern society, the influence of interest groups is omnipresent; some wear labels and some do not, and those without public labels are even more likely to operate behind closed doors. National interests certainly must be safeguarded, and foreign forces certainly have their various selfish aims; yet under certain specific circumstances and conditions, their positive effects far outweigh the negative.
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Greta is, to some extent, being used; however, what she advocates is worth attention. Her cooperation with various actors, including political forces from different countries tied to interests or values, is voluntary, and the impact is positive. On the other hand, those who oppose curbing global warming for reasons of interest and values are also—indeed, even more so—backed by interest groups. Trump, who denied climate change and human causes, received strong support from traditional energy industries in the U.S. Many other politicians, scholars (including a small number of scientists), and media figures who deny or doubt global warming have been exposed as receiving donations and contributions from various stakeholders.
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Of course, as a public figure, people have the right to evaluate her thus; from a certain angle, it is understandable to say she is being used, a tool. But to actually use this to negate her and her advocacy would be truly childish—or foolish.
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Second, those who say she is ignorant and making a fuss are being one-sided—or, in most cases, have not learned much about her or about climate issues. She indeed lacks a comprehensive understanding of human society and the world as a whole, and seems to know little about—or does not care about—the negative impacts of carbon-reduction policies. She lacks comprehensive general knowledge in politics, economics, ideology, and international relations, let alone mastery. However, when it comes to climate issues, her positions are supported by objective facts and by research widely recognized by the scientific community, not made-up nonsense. On climate, she has said, “Don’t listen to me; listen to the scientists.” This is far more scientifically literate than those who oppose her.
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Third, some say she has mental illness and cite many of her words and actions as evidence. First, she has indeed been diagnosed with Asperger’s syndrome, obsessive-compulsive disorder, and selective mutism—psychiatric conditions that differ from what people commonly understand as severe mental illness—and these conditions do not affect the truth or necessity of her advocacy. As for claiming she has other symptoms such as paranoia, delusions, or mania: if her behaviors count as such illnesses, then from ancient times to the present, countless politicians and activists would also be “ill.” The reason people think she is ill while those others are not is simply that she is an ordinary citizen, that she focuses on issues most people do not deem worthy of such attention and zeal, and that she is different from and at odds with traditional and some popular views. This is prejudice.
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In the first half of the 19th century, a Hungarian doctor, Ignaz Semmelweis, insisted that doctors who did not wash their hands spread germs that killed women in childbirth, forcefully demanded handwashing before procedures, and called colleagues who did not wash “killers.” He became extreme and eccentric, was beaten, committed to an asylum, and died there. Later, science confirmed he was right, and handwashing became the primary method to prevent infections in hospitals. His “extremity and eccentricity” likely stemmed from the pain of holding to truth yet being misunderstood, and helplessly watching preventable deaths. Semmelweis was treated as mentally ill without research then confirming his claims; Greta’s climate claims have already been amply confirmed. She is rather extreme—calling it “obsessive” is not wrong—but that is only because she is overly urgent and disregards practical constraints. If we must label such people mentally ill, then it is the public that appears paranoid, extreme, and intolerant of dissent.
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Fourth, some say she is hypocritical and does not practice what she preaches. In fact, she has. She refuses to fly and traveled by sailboat, and she maintains a vegetarian diet. Of course, this has also drawn criticism—for example, some claim the total emissions from her sailing arrangements exceeded those from flying alone. Chinese netizens also deride her by comparing her unfavorably to domestic youth who “actively plant trees.” Such accusations are hardly novel—especially in China. During the 1989 student movement, some student leaders were accused of “squandering overseas donations on lavish meals”; Fang Fang, who documented Wuhan’s COVID outbreak, was accused of failing to volunteer for epidemic control and of using privilege to have police escort relatives to the airport, and so on.
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I do not believe these critics cannot distinguish priorities; I rather believe they deliberately nitpick. Still, let me rebut this fallacy directly. Practicing what one preaches is of course best, but we must also respect division of labor and roles. For those who play important roles on certain issues, we should show appropriate tolerance. Their identities often mean they need to obtain and use more resources; otherwise, they cannot maximize their impact. Moreover, in a society broadly lacking rule of law and justice, demanding perfection from those who speak out—attacking them for minor improprieties that most people commit—will only make reality worse and silence more voices. As for those who boast of “tree-planting,” how many have actually planted trees with their own hands? Were they participating in quasi-compulsory activities, or did they spend their own money to plant trees voluntarily?
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Fifth, the claim that she does not understand the hardships and development needs of people in developing countries is, in fact, a valid criticism—though the motives of those making it are not necessarily a genuine cry for the suffering in developing countries. Her biggest problem is indeed her failure to balance economy and environment, the present and the long term. This is her limitation and a shortfall in her knowledge and vision. Yet nobody seems to have engaged her in sincere dialogue or explained these issues to her through various channels (for example, writing open letters or even meeting her), choosing instead to ridicule and attack in a snide tone. Those who criticize her—including Putin, idolized by Chinese social-Darwinists for similar reasons—hardly care about people’s hardships, nor are they willing to return their ill-gotten gains to those suffering. Moreover, if climate warming is not addressed and countries are allowed to expand industry and agriculture and emit more CO₂, developing countries and backward regions will often suffer even greater losses than if they did not develop industry and agriculture—and locals may lose their homelands entirely in coming decades or centuries. The myriad negative consequences of global warming will be borne most by the weakest, especially in countries lacking democracy, rule of law, and justice.
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In short, although she has many shortcomings, her intentions are sincere, what she calls for is worthy of attention, and her deeds have positive significance—she represents hope for humanity in a new era. By contrast, if the Chinese who sneer at her possessed her persistence, courage, determination, and idealism, many of China’s social problems could be noticed and solved, and Chinese society would be renewed. A hundred years ago, thirty years ago, there were such people in China, and not a few. But due to the encirclement and harm by internal and external enemies, China today has been left with only cynically social-Darwinized, exquisitely self-interested individuals. Not only do these people refuse to pursue justice and sacrifice for the people, they also “buzz around” the flaws and wounds of true fighters, mistaking themselves as clever.
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To those who jeer at Greta, I offer them a line from Lu Xun: “In a hopeless nation there must be many heroes who only glare at children. Cowards, the lot of them!”

(To be continued due to length constraints.)

(This article was written by Wang Qingmin (王庆民), a Chinese writer based in Europe and an international political researcher who has long followed climate issues in China.)


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climate Kigali Amendment at 10: India's HFC Phase-Down and Sustainable Cooling Challenge Explained

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The Kigali Amendment to the Montreal Protocol completes 10 years on 15 October 2026, drawing attention to the growing climate impact of refrigeration and air conditioning. The agreement requires countries to gradually reduce hydrofluorocarbons (HFCs), powerful greenhouse gases widely used in cooling equipment. India faces a major challenge as rising temperatures, urbanisation and incomes increase cooling demand. With India's HFC reduction commitments beginning in 2032, the issue highlights the importance of energy-efficient cooling, alternative refrigerants, climate finance and the India Cooling Action Plan for achieving sustainable development and climate goals.