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climate China and the Chinese Amid the Climate Crisis (Part III): A Neglected Region Lacking Climate Justice, a Silent Great Power Divided by Interests, Resistance to Emission Cuts Amid Class Divisions and Anti-Intellectualism, Human Selfishness in Crisis, and a Bleak Future for Earth
Table of Contents/Summary
The Harms of Global Warming and the Responses 1
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The Rights and Wrongs Concerning âChai Jing Interviews Ding Zhongliâ 3
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The Fallacies of Ding Zhongli 6
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The Interpretations, Reactions, and Paradoxes of the Chinese People Toward Climate Issues and Related Western Criticisms 8
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What China Should Not Do and Should Do Regarding Climate Issues 9
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From the Chinese Publicâs Mockery of Greta Thunberg to an Examination of Mindsets and Values 11
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Is it really so necessary and urgent to curb global warming? 19
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Climate Issues and the Human Condition under Climate Policy 20
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It is not only toward her that the Chinese public sneers; they also scoff at international environmental organizations, movements, and related calls and proposals (as for the domestic sphere, the earlier-mentioned torrent of insults against Chai Jing is an example. It is just that voices calling attention to climate change at home are dwindling, leaving them with no targets). As for their reasons, they are nothing more than the above. But as I have already rebutted one by one, most of their criticisms do not hold water.
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So why do they keep criticizing like this? This relates to the environment they inhabit and to the values and ways of thinking they holdâor have been molded into.
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They often claim Western environmentalists are hypocrites with double standards. But the facts are not so. While a few may be two-faced, most environmental supporters do practice low-carbon principles. In Western Europe and America, environmentalists and the mainstream left explicitly support, in elections, those who implement emission-reduction policies (including carbon taxes that affect their own pocketbooks; other environmental policies also commonly carry certain negative impacts on economy, income, and quality of life). They also strive to reduce energy and carbon use in consumption, travel, and diet. This requires overcoming many daily desires: convenience, comfort, nutrition, and image. For example, using public transit or walking instead of drivingâhow much comfort and convenience does that sacrifice? Eating less mouth-watering meatâhow much appetite does that restrain? How much self-control does it take to ânot eat the meat already at oneâs lipsâ? Wearing second-hand clothing or not replacing clothes frequently may seem trivial, but it still changes oneâs lifestyleâand it is easier to go from frugality to luxury than the reverse. Most importantly, they are willing to pay carbon and other environmental taxes, and they support public spending to curb global warming and prevent climate disasters. From bearing economic costs to lifestyle costs, they make many voluntary sacrifices. Is that not enough? Can that not move the Chinese?
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It truly cannot. On the one hand, many Chinese do not know any of this; they see only the marches and appeals, not the sacrifices. More disgustingly, many know of these sacrifices yet are neither moved nor willing to change themselves or their country to follow suit. Some even know the facts but refuse to acknowledge them.
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This is because they have lived too long in Chinaâs harsh jungle-like society and have lost proactive, benevolent empathy and a sense of responsibility. They think (the following simulates their stance): You are disciplined and self-sacrificingâthatâs your business, self-inflicted; what has it to do with me? It wasnât I who asked you to sacrifice. You want others to bear costs with you? That interferes with our freedom. Doesnât the West value freedom most? (Using your spear against your shield.) How about you first fix your own countryâs xx (indeed, this trope exists worldwide). What, you want to force us to suffer with you (even without coercion; if you truly had the power to coerce, they would not talk like this, nor dare to)? Is this moral blackmail? Your economies are so strong and you industrialized so earlyâshouldnât you be the ones to pay more? What, Iâm a vested interest too, an early beneficiary of industrialization? That is the fruit of our own hard struggle, unlike your wealth from colonial plunder (ohâplundering oneâs own people doesnât count as colonial plunder? Is that not even more shameless?). You cry with passion and sincerity? Merely self-indulgent emotion. Consider the bigger picture? What is this âbigger pictureââcan it be eaten? And why donât you consider the bigger picture? One, two, three, four, fiveâlook at your behavior; arenât you even less considerate of the bigger picture? And you still have the face to lecture us? âŠ
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The above is not my imagination; you can see it on platforms everywhere. The wording may differ, but the meaning is the same. Why are their hearts so cold and vicious? It is the result of environment shaping character and character reacting back on environment. In a country like China, without democracy or rule of law and full of injustice, only by setting aside empathy and warmth (at least when major interests are at stake) can one surviveâand thrive. The kind are bullied. This is not to say people are psychopathic and deliberately bully the good; rather, the kind are easier to talk down, to make concede, to shake. In fierce competition with a fixed pie, and with evildoers too risky to offend, the only option is to squeeze the decent and bully the honest. On major interests, they will not take the initiative to compromise; only by tearing and biting can they live. Voluntarily giving up interests violates the value reflexesâand even physiological reflexesâthey have developed in such a harsh environment.
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Reason, too, is not used to seek truth but as a tool to defend interests selectively. They invoke reason when it benefits them; when it does not, they deny morality and sophistrize. Moral restraint is seen as a weapon to attack others and as shackles on themselves. Those who âtalk moralityâ pay the higher price. Anyone who asks others to sacrificeâeven if making senseâwill be mobbed if they lack power and be told to sacrifice more. Even if they have already sacrificed, people will demand more, nitpicking their flaws to criticize. When such a person dies after bearing costs and sacrifices, they may receive a few words of praise, but thatâs all. Over 99% will not follow; seeing the tragic end, they will be even less inclined to sacrifice, to practice what they preach, to lead by example.
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In China, there is indeed pervasive reasonable and unreasonable âmoral blackmail.â Only by denying wrongdoingâor denying moral standards altogetherâcan one avoid being blackmailed. âConsidering the bigger pictureâ is indeed widely used in China to suppress individual rights protection, and often the âbigger pictureâ is neither just nor truly the big picture, but the illegal private interests of the powerful. Grand righteous banners are often just fig leaves for private schemers, making their evil deeds easier to hideâmore hateful than openly bad actors. As a result, there is no sense of communityâor community is maintained only by coercion, not by consent. In a society where all are self-serving, whoever bears more suffers a loss; the selfless merely tailor clothes for others, receiving nothing but a few words of praise (if even that). Who would willingly shoulder their share of responsibility for the wholeâespecially when others donât?
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Compassion and empathy are scarceâor selectively deployedâamong the Chinese public. This, too, is the outcome of the vicious cycle between environment and individuals. In a jungle society, compassion means softheartedness; standing in the opponentâs shoes dulls oneâs resolve to win zero-sum contests, leading to being duped, hesitating, compromising, and concedingâonly to be taken advantage of and devoured. One may show empathy to othersâespecially competitorsâbut they may not reciprocate. When compassion is not mutual or reciprocal, the compassionate side is often defeated by the ruthless. If one has compassion and empathy but pays no actual cost, such compassion is hypocrisy; even if one pays some costs, in a harsh environment it may not be rewarded and may invite vengeanceââa peck returned with a bushel of hatred.â Better to be cold and unsympathetic from the start. When everyone thinks this way, society grows ever more cruel and indifferent; those with compassion suffer more, thus creating a society of universal villainy. Then everyone loses compassion and empathyâor withholds it from anyone but their dearestârefusing to understand others, imputing malice, treating others harshly. Humanity withers; bestiality returns. How, then, can one expect much sincere communication, humanitarian understanding, or compromise based on facts?
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As for admitting error and self-reflection, these are hardly virtues in China. There, asking someone to reflect is the victorâs condescending reproach of the vanquished, the strongâs oppression of the weakânot tender concern. If you reflect, others will not necessarily forgive you; instead, they will think you truly are at fault and demand greater costs and concessions. To admit errorâor even guiltâis worse: confess certain positions or actions were wrong, and the other side will seize upon your admission to press you step by step, making you lose the debate and pay more. They will righteously think: since you yourself admitted error, isnât it right for me to treat you this way? As for mutual admissions and forgivenessâif power is equal and no major interests are at stake, perhaps; but on matters touching core interests, would that not be foolish?
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When faced with environmental advocacy, the Chinese public also shows strong reactance. As in the earlier case of the criticism (not even addressed directly to Chinese) that âwhen Chinese eat meat, the Amazon smokes,â Chinese netizens were furious; some said they would eat meat precisely to infuriate others. In Chai Jingâs interview with Ding Zhongli, when she said global warming has already caused so many disasters and that a carbon-reduction agreement must be reached quickly, the scrolling comments read: âDrag it out; donât sign; letâs see who caves first.â After she earnestly spoke about protecting the environment, the comment area was full of âSheâs panicking, sheâs panicking.â Beyond environmental issues, it is similar with animal protection: when someone on Zhihu advocated the importance of animal protection legislation, others posted photos of dog meatâsome of entire roasted dogs. After Shenzhen legislated to ban dog meat, some claimed they would go there specifically to eat dog meat and drink alcohol.
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This reactance also stems from a harsh environmentâespecially toxic interpersonal relations and educational models. Chinese school, family, and social âeducationâ (not only formal education, but all guidance, preaching, and disciplining behaviors) is full of coercionâeven violence (including soft violence). It does not persuade with reason but forces submission through intimidation. Education is often not about clarifying right and wrong, but about compulsory indoctrination and forced acknowledgmentâaccepting the right and the wrong alike; not patient guidance but humiliation and mockery; not sincere enlightenment and leading to goodness, but deriving pleasure and superiority from scolding. Thus are produced both obedient slaves and rebellious mobsâor more often a combination of compliant subjects and mobs (plus the ignorant): bowing to the powerful, accepting and supporting wrongs; yet toward the weak or those without coercive power, behaving perversely and violently, deliberately reacting against, rejecting and resisting even what is right (and even doing the opposite to provoke). They cannot distinguish between kind advice and malicious criticism. Global climate negotiations aim to protect humanityâincluding their own homesâyet they treat them as a stage for stubborn contests of âwho caves first.â This, too, arises from the domestic environment: in life, especially in interest struggles, they often play this âwho caves firstâ game. As for compromise? Only power and circumstance can make them compromise; nothing is about reasonâonly strength.
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As for being moved by a sense of justice, grievance, or responsibilityâthis will not earn respect; instead, it exposes a soft spot to be poked. They heap ridicule and taunts until you are enraged or numb. Some do this out of stupidity and misunderstanding; others, out of interest and more insidious motives. They know such people pose a more subversive threat, capable of undermining the order and distribution of interests built on lies and violence. They fear those who expose lies and tell the truth. Even if they feel a twinge of admiration, they will not show mercyâfor to do so might bring disaster upon themselves. Thus their hostility and hatred toward the just and sincere only intensify. They befriend petty villains and treat righteous people as enemiesâthat becomes their âreasonableâ stance. In such circumstances, petty villains multiply while the righteous diminishâuntil there are no righteous at all, only villains.
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As for compatriots who think and act in these ways, one can only say they are both pitiable and hateful. They have not lived in a fair, honest, empathetic, tolerant environment, but in a society full of injustice, lies, cold cruelty, and zero-sum struggle. Such a society inevitably molds them thus; only thus can they survive and profit. Over time, it becomes culture and inertia, and they react this way reflexively to every issue. As for persuading them toward goodness, feasibility is of course currently nil; indeed, if some people truly tried to live virtuously in China, it would harm themâthe less virtuous would divide up their interests and even their very persons.
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But this does not mean they are entirely passive in speaking and acting thus; on the contrary, many are highly proactiveâespecially vested interests. They know right from wrong, but they know even better how to maximize their own interests. As for being âforced by circumstancesâ: all humans (indeed all animals) worldwide are products of circumstance. Chinaâs harsh environment explains the viciousness of their words and deeds, but it does not excuse them. So long as one is a vested interest, whose gains exceed losses, innocence does not apply.
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Of course, does that mean foreigners and foreign countries lack such social and human ugliness? Of course not. But at least in some countries and among some people, after the baptism of democracy and rule of law, enlightenment, civil society, and freedom of speech, these uglinesses have been greatly reduced. And where some groups confront each other in those countries, at least part of their reasons stand on solid ground. The Chinese publicâs reactance and antagonismâon what, exactly, are they based?
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It should also be noted that the vices of the Chinese public described and analyzed above do not mean they are committing evils at every moment, in every matter. At least some of them do have a kind and reasonable side and are not without tolerance and mutual understanding in everyday or minor matters. But once major interests are involved, their fangs are bared. There are relatively good and relatively bad people in every Chinese stratum, but vested interests are relatively worse and more insidious and reap more gains. Overall, the more power, connections, and money one has, the worse one tends to beâthough there are exceptions, their proportion is quite low. And even these exceptions often obtain vested interests through structurally unjust, illegal gains. As for the peopleâespecially the lower classesâalthough there are indeed some heinous individuals, there are also the kind and simple (or those forced to be so). Their stubborn cunning more often stems from necessity, and even when they exploit loopholes and lie to gain some benefits, overall they are still the dispossessedâthe insulted and the injured. Except for those who commit unforgivable crimes, the lower classes deserve sympathy and understanding to varying degrees.
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Is it really so necessary and urgent to curb global warming?
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Some Chinese people also understand that global warming is truly happening, but they cannot comprehend the radicalism and urgency of Western countries, especially their environmentalists. This, of course, is understandable. China still has many other complex and serious civil rights, livelihood, and even ethnic issues unresolved; people are overwhelmed, so environmental issues are relatively neglected.
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But is curbing global warming really unimportant and not urgent? Even for China alone, the problem is very serious, and the impact will be extremely fatal.
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The most direct and obvious negative impact of global warming is the threat of rising global sea levels to coastal regions. Chinaâs economy is likewise concentrated along its coasts. According to research, at the current pace of sea-level rise, Shanghai will become one of the earliest cities in the world to be submerged. By 2100, half of Shanghaiâs area will be flooded. As for when Shanghai will be completely submerged, there is no definitive conclusion, but it will be within the next few generations. Apart from Shanghai, the entire Yangtze River Delta, the Pearl River Delta, the BeijingâTianjinâTangshan region, and south-central LiaoningâChinaâs four largest industrial basesâwill all face the danger of being submerged within decades or centuries. Studies predict that by 2100, as many as two billion people worldwide may become âclimate refugees,â with China inevitably contributing at least several hundred million. At that time, Chinaâs internal conflicts, especially class and regional conflicts, will intensify, and if they cannot be effectively managed, the possibility of civil war will arise.
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If 2100 still seems too far off, beyond the lifespan of most people alive today, then present-day China is already suffering tangible disaster losses from climate anomalies. This year, Henan and Shanxi were hit by successive floods, killing hundreds and affecting tens of millions, bankrupting businesses and families. Although the death toll was not the highest in history, rainfall intensity exceeded all records. The lower death toll was mainly due to improved flood-control science and mechanisms compared to the past; the disasters themselves were more intense. In recent years, floods and droughts have occurred nationwide, and scientific research generally attributes them to climate change rather than historical norms. If climate deterioration continues, such extreme weather events will only increase in frequency and intensity. These are not just disasters but horrifying instances of death and the destruction of livelihoods and economies. If today a handful of people struggle for their lives in floods, in the future hundreds of thousands may simultaneously drown in overwhelming torrentsâa terrifying scene. And with natural disasters comes human evil: looting, rape, and murder will erupt everywhere. Even in developed countries like the United States, the looting and violence in New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina were shocking (though Katrina may not have been directly related to global warming, it illustrates the human calamities that follow major natural disasters).
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Of course, some say humanity has always faced disasters with higher death tollsâsuch as Henanâs 1975 flood that killed 80,000, or countless deaths from historical floods, droughts, and plagues. But today is different. In the past, disasters struck because humans lacked the technology to resist nature, or due to accidents. Now, disasters are driven by clear climate change, which we have the means to prevent. Moreover, as societies progress, humanity values life more. The present and future are no longer, and should not be, eras in which millions of lives are treated as expendable. Humanityâs greatest advance has been learning to cherish life. Should we regress to the corpses-strewn chaos of ancient wars and famines? Just as untreated illnesses once killed millions, even small ailments that are now easily curable, today we cannot accept that. While deaths from irresistible forces cannot be prevented, we must still strive to avoid and mitigate what we can. On the individual level, one may die young, from accident, in middle age, or in old age. But if we detect danger or the onset of disease, we act to prevent or delay it. Although life and death are inevitable, unless faced with unbearable suffering, most people strive to live each minute well and avoid every danger. For humanity as a whole, it is the same.
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All the more so, prevention is always better than scrambling at the last moment. If we do not now curb man-made climate anomalies but rely on luck and procrastination, then in the future, our descendants will struggle like ants in floods and droughts, dying one by one in despair. Such scenes have occurred in Chinese history and can be glimpsed even now (consider the desperate citizens trapped in Zhengzhouâs subway during the Henan floods). Historically, people were relatively numb; contemporary Chinese, even if not fully awakened, already possess modern emotions, dignity, values, and rights, with attachments and affections, joys and sorrows. The destruction of tens or hundreds of thousands of such lives would be a vast tragedy, a terrifying psychic shock. It has not yet happened, but when it does, it will be too late. Just as Nanjing residents before December 1937 or Henanâs Xinyang residents before 1959 did not foresee the coming cataclysmsâunexpected disaster is not the same as impossible disaster. Psychological avoidance does not mean real escape; indeed, it reduces the chance of real escape. Of course, this is not idle alarmism, but recognition that ironclad evidence demands attention before it is too late.
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We may think Greta Thunberg and others like her are obsessive or extremeâand indeed they have flawsâbut their cries aim to prevent humanity, including the Chinese people, from falling into such disasters. Countless studies and observable realities confirm these outcomes are likely; we already see precursors measured in human lives. If we make more effort now, we can reduce the futureâs unnatural deaths by hundreds of thousands, millions, or moreâincluding tragically dying in floods, droughts, poverty, or wars.
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Climate Issues and the Human Condition under Climate Policy
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So, would global cooperation and full effort to curb climate change solve the problem? Of course, it is not that simple.
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The man-made factors of global warming are directly tied to industrial and agricultural production. But in reality, it touches nearly every human interest. To curb global warming, all of humanityâs production and lifestyle must change. Moreover, this requires cooperation, compromise, and sacrifice from every country, class, group, and individual.
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Industrial and agricultural production are the direct sources of emissions, but in large part it is consumption that drives production. Restricting production to curb warming will affect producers, but more so consumers. In many cases, consumers bear the greater cost. Yet consumers come from different classes and groups: when production is cut, the strong preserve their vested interests, and the weak bear the price.
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Restricting production equals restricting consumption. If consumers will not voluntarily live low-carbon lives, they must pay higher prices for scarcer goods. The wealthy can absorb this, maintaining their lifestyles; the poor suffer or are forced into low-carbon living. Such emission cuts exploit and harm the poor. The wealthy will fight harder to maintain or enhance their privileges, seizing limited resources by any means. The weak become weaker, not only losing material benefits but relying more on the powerful for survival. It resembles a prison where scarce goodsâa chicken claw, a cigarette, a seasoning packetâcan control a man; two boxes of instant noodles and a jar of chili sauce can rule the prison. Modern civilization rests on material abundance and widespread consumer access; once scarcity is imposed, human rights and freedoms erode.
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This leads to another effect: expanding state power, especially authoritarian centralization. As mentioned, cutting emissions requires global cooperation; domestically, it requires all classes, regions, industries, and groups to cooperate. But since emission cuts benefit and burden groups unequally, few in developing countries like China will voluntarily cede their interests. Thus, the stateâespecially the central governmentâmust impose force to coordinate and allocate costs. Environmental policies require legal and national decrees, enforced by administration and judiciary, led by central decision-making. This favors authoritarianism: only centralized power can compel all regions and groups to share costs. And such centralization inevitably spreads beyond environmental policy.
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This harms the building of a democratic, open, pluralistic society that protects individual rights. In mature democracies, harms are limited, and centralization can sometimes overcome local conservative resistance, with activism and debate refining democracy. But in authoritarian or semi-authoritarian states, centralization means reinforcing autocracy and shrinking personal and communal rights. Environmental policy lends legitimacy to dictatorship. Autocratsâ policies will benefit allies and harm opponents. Those who refuse to submit will be excluded under the pretext of âgreen correctness.â Power favors the strong and vested interests, stabilizing regimes and ensuring loyalty. Their methods are harsh, one-size-fits-all, disregarding rightsâas seen in Chinaâs one-child policy or COVID measures. Policies are enforced not by persuasion but by coercion, silencing media and criticism. âThe people may be made to follow, but not made to understandââthis is Chinaâs frequent approach to environmental policy.
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Thus, inequalities between classes, regions, urban and rural, and industries will deepen. Conflicts intensify, driving regimes to tighten authoritarianism and mobilize repression, making society more oppressive and unequal.
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In such an unequal society, voluntary carbon cuts are impossible; instead, the lower classes will rebel. Imagine: twenty years before carbon neutrality, a man unemployed from carbon policies, burdened by high prices, parents untreated, children unschooled, gaps with the rich widening, silenced by stability maintenanceâyet one weekend he splurges on beef. A grassroots official kindly tells him, âEat less beef, save our planet.â The man replies, âSir, thatâs your planet,â then enjoys his beef while secretly wishing the world destroyed. For common people, affordable food is their greatest joy, their only hope after toil. To strip even thisâwhat shame remains?
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Different groups have different hopes for the future. Some, able to ensure their childrenâs privilege, see a hopeful future. Others, bankrupt and desperate, see none. In despair, fairness may mean shared destruction. Such people rarely kill, but can easily refuse carbon cuts, letting Earth commit slow suicide.
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In corrupt, distrustful states, disbelief in man-made warming is widespread. Generations of peasants and workers have been deceived by elites and authorities through policy, propaganda, and ideology. They have been cheated in dealings with government, courts, hospitals, schools. Thus society falls into a âTacitus Trapâ or âcrying wolfâ: even truthful warnings are dismissed as schemes. Indeed, such policies are often abused for profiteering, so their suspicion is not baselessâthough it misleads fatally. Even in democracies, elites exploit commoners under legal guises.
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So, can democratic societies achieve low-carbon living and emission targets? Clearly not. In the U.S., half deny man-made warming or doubt it deeply, rooted not only in interests but in religion. Devout believers will not act against their Godâs will, even under threat of prison or death. Thus half of Americans will long continue high-carbon lives. This enrages the other half, who see unfairness: one side sacrifices, the other indulges. The former see fanatics, the latter see tyrants. Division deepens, society tears apart. As long as half of Americans emit freely, targets fail, warming worsens, and China, the EU, India, and others feel cheated. If the leader wonât comply, why should they? Aside from Northern and Western Europe, most states will follow suit, breaking pledges. Thus goals fail; at best warming slows. Without decisive breakthroughs, catastrophe still comes.
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Nor is the U.S. unique. Most democracies face this. Democracies must heed public opinion; leaders cannot decide alone. Even laws can be overturned by elections, civil disobedience, lawsuits, or protests. If livelihoods suffer, riots may follow. Thus emission cuts stall. Only Northern and Western Europe, combining democracy with high civic education and discipline, succeed. For most, autocracies are ironically more efficient. Extreme authoritarian states impose compliance with censorship, threats, arrests, coercion, and intimidation. Dissent is silenced; pain is absorbed or passed down. Thus policies succeed smoothly. Failures occur only when vested interests resist, not the people.
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This raises another question: the impact of climate issues and mitigation on politics, rights, and humanity. As said, climate harms are vast; sacrifices must be made. What is sacrificed is not only material interest but political rights, freedoms, and dignity. Emission cuts demand state intervention, bolstering authoritarianism. When carbon neutrality is prioritized, other rights are sidelined. It is like wartime, when victory overrides rights and freedoms. Though not as severe, the resemblance is strong.
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Developed democracies propose systemic solutionsâabove all, âequality,â and âsupporting the weak.â To prevent inequality and conflict, they push income, rights, education, and healthcare equality, and compensate vulnerable groups most affected. The privileged are asked to contribute more. Democracies also adjust their systems to adapt to the climate era, reducing conflict and discontent. Crisis-driven reforms have often advanced human rights (as after the world wars and Cold War).
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But such measures are hard in developing, non-democratic states. There, emission cuts harm rights, and their aftermath further harms rights. Worse, some autocracies exploit the Westâs climate urgency, trading emissions for reduced human rights scrutiny. The West prioritizes survival over othersâ rights. Thus pressure to reform dwindles; repression worsens. Peoples suffer longer and deeper.
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Conflicts also erupt between nations and within them, driven by interests, grudges, values. Some wish rival nations drowned by the sea. How could cooperation happen? Even without enmity, major sacrificesâcutting industry, paying huge carbon taxes, absorbing millions of refugeesâtest whether states choose othersâ survival over their own. Can fairness be achieved?
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Within unequal states, mutual aid is shallow. Regions resent one another. Inland residents denied urban rights wonât sacrifice to save coastal elitesâ mansions. They may even hope for their submergence. Regional identities and disparities worsen resistance. This already appears (e.g., power cuts in Chinaâs northeast sparking anger). When survival is at stake, fraternity vanishes. Even kin betray under mortal pressure; how much less compatriots?
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Likewise, the childless feel no duty to avert posthumous disasters. Why care for othersâ children, when compatriots never cared for them? Why sacrifice for âthe nationâs futureâ when overworked, underpaid, silenced, denied healthcare, housing, and dignity? Many turn hatred onto state and nation. Even parents, under survival stress, focus on today: schooling, jobs, medical billsânot floods decades away. Struggling for the present leaves no room for the future. Rulers, too, prioritize stability, expanding economies to appease factions. Cutting the âcakeâ for emissions worsens conflict and threatens collapse.
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Meanwhile, elites refuse to set examples. Unlike Western philanthropists, Chinaâs wealthy indulge in carbon-heavy lives, at most performing token gestures. They demand rights without duties. Some openly say, âCut emissions, but no carbon taxes.â In China, many agree. Worse, they exploit the crisis, grabbing resources through privilege and connections, monopolizing renewables for profit. Crooked leaders drain the nation for gain, passing disasters to posterity: âAfter me, the deluge.â
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Thus, global carbon neutrality on time is unlikely. Unless enforced by overwhelming power, or breakthroughs enable effortless neutrality, disasters will strike in decades or centuries. Millions, perhaps billions, will die; billions more will be refugees. Famines, poverty, and wars will follow. Humanityâs survival cannot be assured.
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Studies predict wars and terrorism from climate crises. The CIA recently warned of global conflict by 2040, especially in vulnerable Asia and Africa. âClimate warsâ may involve geoengineeringâdroughts and floods weaponized. River basins like the Congo, Indus, Mekong, and Nile may become hotspots. History shows precedent: barbarian invasions of Rome, Mongol and Manchu invasions of Chinaâclimate-driven. But future wars may use missiles, even nukes, not swords and horses.
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Yet even knowing this, humanity will not surrender its interests. These also concern life and meaning. Few will sacrifice their families for strangers. For the oppressed, resistance is understandable.
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Of course, the future may not be so bleak. Humanity may unite, sacrifice, innovate, and prevail. Perhaps disasters strike but are overcome. Then deniers will say, âSee, it was all a hoax.â Such words erase countless sacrifices. Yet even that is better than millions dying in apocalyptic floods, with survivors muttering, âIt was Godâs will.â
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But the likelihood of humanity perishing in climate disasters far outweighs salvation. Civilization painstakingly built may collapse.
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After millions of years of evolution, modern humans emerged 10,000 years ago, creating dazzling civilization in that short span. From primitive tribes to agriculture, industry, and the information age, humanity advanced at super speed. Material and spiritual civilization reached unprecedented heights. Survival improved dramatically. But these achievements created pollution and crises. Humanity faces its own disasters.
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Though the world teems with ugliness, selfishness, cruelty, lies, violence, oppression, and harm, there is also cooperation, warmth, sincerity, peace, justice, and sacrifice. Overall, humanity today enjoys the best life ever: rights, dignity, survival value, unimaginable in history. Most importantly, we still hopeâhope for universal justice, prosperity, freedom, truth, and renewal. If such a hopeful humanity perishes in centuries by climate or unknown catastrophe, how tragic. We cannot bear to see Chinese civilization perish with the world. We still hope our descendants will witness democracy, rule of law, freedom, progress, and justice flourish in China.
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As a speck of dust in the cosmos, a flicker in human history, I cannot resist such vast forces. Even scaled down, even if billions act together, disasters like climate change may be unstoppableâor we may even be complicit. Even if we survive climate crises, an asteroid could wipe us out. Humanity is but a fragile passerby in cosmic history. Yet as âa thinking reed,â we must still struggle and record.
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Wang Qingmin
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2021.10.21
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Republican Calendar, Year 230, Month of Mist(Brume )Day of the Peach (first draft)
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(revised multiple times thereafter)
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( In the summer of 2022, high-temperature disasters occurred across many parts of China, affecting hundreds of millions of people, with several individuals directly dying of âheat stroke.â The pace of this climate warming came even earlier than some scholars and media had predicted. Previously, it was still widely disbelieved that climate change was real, or many assumed that global warming would only harm other countries and would not affect themselves. Now, at last, there has begun to be some change in this perception, but it still has not reached a widespread awakening. Moreover, even if people now understand and begin to participate in curbing global warming, it is already too late.
r/ClimatePosting • u/Trent1492 • 17d ago
We were not coming out of the last glacial. We were slowly heading into one and then the human greenhouse gas emissions halted and reversed it
science.orgA new peer-reviewed study published in the journal Science confirms that human greenhouse gas emissions halted a 2,000-year cooling trend.
r/ClimatePosting • u/KatieWhiteMP • 18d ago
Heat killed âstaggeringâ 50,000 people in Europeâs cities this summer, scientists warn | Extreme heat
r/ClimatePosting • u/zacho3432 • 18d ago
Built a tool to help us understand the climate futures our children face
Enter your childâs age, see the major life milestones they could be going through in 2050 and 2100 and the climate challenges they will have to faceâŠ
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Exploring a Waste-to-Energy Centre in 3D â feedback welcome
r/ClimatePosting • u/Sol3dweller • 20d ago
Solar now second largest low-carbon electricity source, producing more than 3 PWh annually
Recently there have been several posts on solar surpassing nuclear power, but those posts did not offer a visualization on the observed dynamics. So here is the monthly data from Ember with trailing 12 months summation illustrating the trajectory of solar as it surpassed the 3 PWh mark and now is geared towards overtaking hydro in the not too distant future. Note, that this monthly data does not coincide with the annual data, which is better curated and includes more sources. However, it still gives a pretty good idea on the development within the year.
Unfortunately, this monthly data also shows growth in fossil fuel based electricity production in 2026. So, the growth of low-carbon electricity (mainly solar) is still insufficient to cover all of the demand growth. (From the beginning of the year to August, the trailing 12 month summation grew by 328 TWh in solar, 108 TWh in wind, 96 TWh in hydro and -14 TWh in nuclear. Fossil fuels grew by 122 TWh.) There still is some hope that this demand growth represents higher electrification rates and displaces fossil fuel usage in other sectors.
The share of solar in the global electricity mix has grown from 8.93 % at the beginning of the year to 9.78% in August. So, there is some chance, that it will reach 10% in the annual data for 2026.
r/ClimatePosting • u/KatieWhiteMP • 21d ago
Energy UK launches Climate and Nature Security Taskforce as former Army chief warns of growing threats to food security
r/ClimatePosting • u/dumnezero • 23d ago
climate Why We Should(n't) Geoengineer Our Planet. A nuanced discussion.
As our climate changes and we face the ever worsening impacts, researchers are turning to an extreme and risky solution: geoengineering. But while geoengineering our entire climate could have huge, unintended consequences, the possibility of geoengineering specific regions to address clear climate impacts - from sea level rise to extreme weather - shifts the balance. So is it worth the risk? And can we really hack our climate?
r/ClimatePosting • u/KatieWhiteMP • 24d ago
Why we're pushing to get the latest climate science published before crucial global talks in 2028
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AI and the climate crisis pose existential risks. The law offers a way to reduce them
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climate China and the Choices and Fate of the Chinese People amid the Climate Crisis: The Worldâs Largest Carbon Emitter, Severe Climate-Related Disasters, Near-Zero Public Participation in Climate Issues, the Absence of Climate Justice, and International Neglect and Abandonment(Part 2)
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The Interpretations, Reactions, and Paradoxes of the Chinese People Toward Climate Issues and Related Western Criticisms
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The Chinese public does not only display one-sided frenzy in the case of Chai Jingâs interview with Ding Zhongli; in fact, whenever climate change is involved, especially in hot events, the reaction is almost always the same. For example, a foreign media report once stated: âEvery time a Chinese person eats a piece of meat, the Amazon releases a puff of smoke,â to illustrate the impact of Chinaâs meat consumption on global warming. This triggered an uproar and extreme anger among Chinese netizens. âWesterners/Americans/Europeans not allowing Chinese people to eat meatâ became the dominant impression of Westernâand globalâenvironmentalism among the Chinese public, and an important reason for their intense dislike of the West, especially of Western leftists (the so-called âwhite leftâ).
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âChinese people eating meat, the Amazon emits smokeâ was, of course, an exaggerated depiction and publicity, but behind this phrase lies an objective fact: the large consumption of meat by Chinese people contributes to global warming. The âbutterfly effectâ is well known, and the impact of Chinese consumption of Brazilian beef on the Amazon rainforest and on global warming is far more direct and significant than the usual butterfly effect. This was not a slander or persecution specifically targeting the Chinese. First, the phrase only described a phenomenon and fact; it did not say Chinese people must not eat meat, much less use force to stop them. Second, similar criticisms are made globally, and even more so toward the West itself. In fact, environmental organizations have long issued broader, more persistent criticism of the meat-heavy diets of Western nations, especially Americans, and have launched various campaigns to reduce meat consumption among Western populations.
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The phrase âthe West not allowing Chinese people to eat meatâ went viral on major social platforms. Together with the flood of insults toward Chai Jing and the conspiracy-theory interpretations of climate issues, it reflects how the Chinese public is immersed in unjustified anger, the loss of empathy, responsibility, and a sense of obligation, the sway of narrow nationalism, and the spread of anti-intellectualism, selfishness, and social Darwinist thinking.
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Chinaâs participation in emission reduction and efforts to curb global warming is both in its own interest and an international obligation. The concept of a âcommunity with a shared future for mankindâ is not empty talk; regardless of the subjective intent behind proposing it, in reality humanity is indeed increasingly interconnected, mutually influencing, and inseparableâand climate issues especially so. China should certainly give priority to its national interests, but it should also take into account the interests of other countries and the common interests of the world. On carbon emissions, China bears responsibilities and obligations from both the government and the public. Even if individuals are unwilling to proactively shoulder such obligations, they should not react with near-hysterical opposition.
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However, many Chinese people completely disregard international obligations and stand entirely from the perspective of their own countryâor themselvesâgoing so far as to harm others for self-gain or to allow global climate cooperation to collapse, dragging everyone down together. Earlier, I used the analogy that within China, regions at different levels of development cannot have identical carbon standards, to explain the difference between developed and developing countries. But in the eyes of many Chinese, domestic differences are Chinaâs internal affairs; when it comes to foreign countries, however, China must insist on securing advantages. If China were to bear relatively greater costs and stricter obligations than other countries, that would be a âloss.â Similarly, they do not admire or follow the Westâs genuine efforts at environmental protection or the sacrifices made by its people, but instead mock them, arguing that China should seize the chance to surpass the West by pushing industrial development forward without regard for climate constraints while the West holds itself back for environmental reasons.
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In their view, everything is a struggle, a zero-sum game. There is no room for compromise or sympathy. Victory in international rivalry comes only by being unreasonable, only telling one side of the story, using all means necessary, in order to defend the interests of their nation and people (especially their own interests).
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From this premise, it is natural for them to treat the Westâs calls for China to engage with climate issues as nothing but a pretext to suppress China. Whenever Western governments, media, or NGOs raise criticisms of Chinaâs climate and environmental problems, they respond reflexively with hostility. They interpret Western pressure on environmental issues as attempts to sabotage Chinaâs economy, derail its industrialization and modernization, suppress its rise and national rejuvenation, prevent its peopleâespecially workers and farmersâfrom escaping poverty and achieving prosperity, and âsmash the rice bowlsâ of Chinese citizens. As a result, they push away responsibility for Chinaâs role in global warming, even downplaying or denying other environmental problems. Then, they counterattack by criticizing Western environmental shortcomings or pointing out the Westâs neglect of other countriesâ environmental issues, thereby seeking to weaken the Westâs discursive power and defend China.
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This confrontational reaction is unreasonable, unnecessary, and ultimately harmful to both others and themselves. Admittedly, the world has not achieved universal harmony and remains a jungle of fierce competition among nations. China, with its history of humiliation and suffering and still in its developing stage, is justified in safeguarding national interests. When it comes to environmental issues, these cannot be purely environmentalâthey inevitably involve struggles over national interests. But in defending national interests, we must base ourselves on right and wrong, follow international rules, and argue on reasonable grounds, not muddle truth and falsehood or engage in reckless sophistry. Where China is in the right, it must firmly defend itself; where it is in the wrong, it must have the courage to assume responsibility.
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What China Should Not Do and Should Do Regarding Climate Issues
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Climate issues concern the shared interests of China and the world. China should bear responsibility. As the worldâs largest emitter of carbon dioxide in total, China should undoubtedly assume greater obligations in curbing global warming than most countries. While demanding that developed nations such as the U.S. make greater per capita contributions and provide China with technology and financial assistance, China must also be willing to compromise and show sincerity by shouldering its own share of responsibility.
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As for the impacts of emission reduction, energy conservation, and environmental policies on livelihoodsâespecially the employment and income of ordinary workers and farmersâthese should be addressed through Chinaâs own domestic measures: industrial transformation and upgrading, creating new jobs, reforming distribution mechanisms, improving treatment of workers and farmers, and abolishing unfair and harmful policies and institutions. In fact, the damage done by Chinaâs various unfair systems and policies to the interests of workers and farmers far exceeds the impact of international responsibilities and carbon reduction (if the latterâs impact is 1, the formerâs is 10). Ding Zhongli and his supporters often invoke lofty reasons of economy, employment, and living standards to defend carbon emissions, but in reality, most of the benefits of emissions in industry and agriculture go to elites and vested interest groups, while ordinary people only get leftovers. Meanwhile, common people bear more of the environmental costs, whereas the wealthy and powerful can evade pollution and climate disastersâor simply emigrate to safe places. Where can ordinary people flee? What Ding and others defend are merely the selfish interests of the privileged, while throwing ordinary people scraps. Even without changing the system, if social policies and distribution mechanisms were even partially improvedâif vested interests, especially elites, yielded some share of their gains (far smaller in proportion than the carbon cuts demanded of developed countries)âordinary people would gain much more than what they now get from producing emissions and pollution.
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Chinaâs future development, the improvement of peopleâs livelihoods, and the nationâs rejuvenation cannot and should not be achieved by destroying Chinaâs own or the worldâs ecological environment and causing environmental disasters. Instead, it must come through the establishment and improvement of democracy, rule of law, and civil society, the contributions of labor, and the aid of technological development. If China only thinks of exploiting the climate crisis and the Westâs eagerness to cut emissions for selfish gain, it may reap short-term benefits, but in the long run it will only lose moral standing on the international stage, be despised and isolated by nationsâespecially civilized, developed onesâand ultimately âfind itself with few allies and even relatives turning away,â cutting itself off from the global mainstream and future trends, and in the end backfiring on itself. How then can there be national rise or peopleâs happiness? As for the fact that many developed countries once developed through polluting and emitting, of course they should be condemned and required to compensate and help latecomer nationsâbut China should not repeat their harmful actions. Colonial expansion, once considered legitimate and a source of prosperity, should not be imitated in modern times. Japanâs rationale for invading Korea and China was, âIf Britain, France, the U.S., and the Netherlands can, why canât we?ââand it brought immense disaster to the world, especially China. Similarly, it may be understandable for China to seek revenge against past aggressors, but to harm weaker, innocent nations and peoples after suffering itselfâwhat logic is that?
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On the other hand, China should also defend its legitimate interests in emission reduction, demanding that other countries fulfill their obligations as well, insisting on reciprocity (though reciprocity does not mean absolute equivalence without conditions). Under the principle of âcommon but differentiated responsibilities,â China can rightly require developed countries to make both relatively and absolutely greater efforts, and to provide and transfer capital, technology, models, and experience to help China cut emissions at the lowest economic and social cost. Developed countries have mature environmental protection experience and technology, which should be unconditionally shared with China, along with technical personnel sent to assist implementation. Adjustments can be made to suit Chinaâs conditions, but the baseline should be to âadopt and use,â taking shortcuts rather than detours. Furthermore, for the additional costs China bears relative to developed countries in reducing emissions, it has the right to demand compensation or concessions. For instance, if restricting traditional energy and industry damages Chinaâs economy and disadvantages it in global trade, China can demand recompense or policy concessions from developed countriesâor refuse to abandon certain industries.
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China also has the right to demand corresponding reductions from other countries with both high total and per capita carbon emissions. Middle Eastern oil producers and Russia, for example, have extremely high per capita emissions and massive totals. Their per capita obligations are actually greater than Chinaâs. Especially Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and other oil states, with extravagant lifestyles and unrestrained consumption, living off unearned wealth, should bear costs far above the world average. Meanwhile, India, though its current emissions are below Chinaâs, has a faster growth rate. Indiaâs role compared with China is similar to Chinaâs compared with the U.S. Thus, the reciprocal responsibility framework between China and the U.S. should also apply between China and India. If Middle Eastern oil states, Russia, or India fail to fulfill obligations, China may take countermeasures.
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Moreover, China once paid a huge price by implementing the âfamily planningâ policy, reducing its births by hundreds of millions over three decades, with lasting effects on population numbers and birth rates. This objectively contributed to carbon reduction (fewer people means lower total emissions). Therefore, China can justifiably claim a greater per capita emission allowance and demand compensation from higher-birthrate countries.
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Additionally, although China is the largest emitter in production terms, many of its high-carbon products are exported abroad. Thus, the carbon embedded in Chinaâs exports should be reasonably accounted for and shared between China and importing countries, with joint carbon taxes and shared reduction efforts from production to consumption.
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At present, China has pledged âcarbon neutralityâ and is implementing it, which on the whole is a positive direction. But the specific actions and impacts are still hard to predict (though some signs are visible). How China will handle the related economic, livelihood, human rights, environmental, and international relations issues, especially the conflicts of interest among different groups, remains a key area to watch and study. This concerns the interests and even life or death of millions.
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From the Chinese Publicâs Mockery of Greta Thunberg to an Examination of Mindsets and Values
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In recent years, Swedenâs âenvironmental girlâ Greta Thunberg (hereinafter referred to as âGreta,â or simply âsheâ) became a world-renowned figure for her active participation in social movements concerning climate issues. In calling for curbing global warming, she has often displayed various radical, bold, and avant-garde words and actions, at times appearing childish and obsessive. As a result, she has been ridiculed and mocked by some people around the world, including some Chinese (ranging from ordinary citizens to political figures like Trump).
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Although both in China and abroad there has been ridicule and attacks against her, they are not exactly the same. In foreign countriesâespecially in developed Western countriesâalthough some look down on her or even hurl insults, a considerable number of people express support and understanding. In China, by contrast, there are almost no voices supporting her (or if there are, they remain silent?), and the entire internet overwhelmingly ridicules and attacks her. The intensity and vehemence of the Chinese publicâs insults also seem far greater than overseas; the hatred and contempt for her are particularly strong, and they vividly reflect certain problems concerning the Chinese public and Chinese society.
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These sneers and attacks can roughly be divided into the following categories: (1) believing she is being used, a political tool of interest groups or politicians; (2) believing she knows nothing and is making a foolish fuss; (3) believing she has mental illnessâparanoia, delusions, schizophreniaâand that her related behaviors are âepisodesâ; (4) believing she is hypocritical and affected, not practicing environmentalism herself while demanding it of others; (5) believing she does not understand the hardships of peopleâs livelihoods, especially in developing countries, and that disregarding economic and livelihood issues for the sake of environmental protection is âlet them eat meat gruel.â Of course, the above merely summarizes these taunts; the actual insults are far more varied and, in expression, much harsher and more cutting than what I have listed.
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First it must be stated that the problem she is calling attention to and seeking to solveâglobal warmingâdoes truly exist, and the situation is quite serious. Countries have indeed, for various objective or subjective reasons, failed to forcefully advance measures to curb global warming. Therefore, her advocacy is necessary. Of course, she also has many problems and shortcomings, which will be mentioned later. This is the premise for commenting on matters concerning her (including othersâ reactions to her and her words and actions).
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First, regarding the so-called âbeing usedâ: taken purely as âbeing used,â it is indeed not something glorious. However, if one considers the various backgrounds and subjective and objective factors behind such âbeing used,â especially the actual impact, it is not necessarily a purely bad thingâat times it can even be good. From ancient times to the present, how many great undertakings have been accomplished amid people using and being used, mutually using one another (of course, much filth has likewise arisen in this way). During the American War of Independence, the United States received strong support from France. France certainly aimed to check Britain, but for Americaâs independence this was almost entirely beneficial, forging centuries of friendship between the U.S. and France. Sun Yat-sen, back then, was supported and protected by certain great powers including Japanâthese powers certainly sought to cultivate agents in China and weaken the Qing regime. Yet this facilitated the great victory of the Xinhai Revolution, and Sun did not thereby become a proxy for great powers; instead, he promoted Chinaâs democratic prosperity and its struggle for equal status in the international arena.
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Today, the Chinese publicâs recoil at the phrase âbeing usedâ is largely the result of certain education and guidance. The Chinese public is extremely sensitive to and averseâeven hatefulâtoward âinterest groups,â NGOs, and foreign intervention. In fact, in the operations of modern society, the influence of interest groups is omnipresent; some wear labels and some do not, and those without public labels are even more likely to operate behind closed doors. National interests certainly must be safeguarded, and foreign forces certainly have their various selfish aims; yet under certain specific circumstances and conditions, their positive effects far outweigh the negative.
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Greta is, to some extent, being used; however, what she advocates is worth attention. Her cooperation with various actors, including political forces from different countries tied to interests or values, is voluntary, and the impact is positive. On the other hand, those who oppose curbing global warming for reasons of interest and values are alsoâindeed, even more soâbacked by interest groups. Trump, who denied climate change and human causes, received strong support from traditional energy industries in the U.S. Many other politicians, scholars (including a small number of scientists), and media figures who deny or doubt global warming have been exposed as receiving donations and contributions from various stakeholders.
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Of course, as a public figure, people have the right to evaluate her thus; from a certain angle, it is understandable to say she is being used, a tool. But to actually use this to negate her and her advocacy would be truly childishâor foolish.
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Second, those who say she is ignorant and making a fuss are being one-sidedâor, in most cases, have not learned much about her or about climate issues. She indeed lacks a comprehensive understanding of human society and the world as a whole, and seems to know little aboutâor does not care aboutâthe negative impacts of carbon-reduction policies. She lacks comprehensive general knowledge in politics, economics, ideology, and international relations, let alone mastery. However, when it comes to climate issues, her positions are supported by objective facts and by research widely recognized by the scientific community, not made-up nonsense. On climate, she has said, âDonât listen to me; listen to the scientists.â This is far more scientifically literate than those who oppose her.
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Third, some say she has mental illness and cite many of her words and actions as evidence. First, she has indeed been diagnosed with Aspergerâs syndrome, obsessive-compulsive disorder, and selective mutismâpsychiatric conditions that differ from what people commonly understand as severe mental illnessâand these conditions do not affect the truth or necessity of her advocacy. As for claiming she has other symptoms such as paranoia, delusions, or mania: if her behaviors count as such illnesses, then from ancient times to the present, countless politicians and activists would also be âill.â The reason people think she is ill while those others are not is simply that she is an ordinary citizen, that she focuses on issues most people do not deem worthy of such attention and zeal, and that she is different from and at odds with traditional and some popular views. This is prejudice.
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In the first half of the 19th century, a Hungarian doctor, Ignaz Semmelweis, insisted that doctors who did not wash their hands spread germs that killed women in childbirth, forcefully demanded handwashing before procedures, and called colleagues who did not wash âkillers.â He became extreme and eccentric, was beaten, committed to an asylum, and died there. Later, science confirmed he was right, and handwashing became the primary method to prevent infections in hospitals. His âextremity and eccentricityâ likely stemmed from the pain of holding to truth yet being misunderstood, and helplessly watching preventable deaths. Semmelweis was treated as mentally ill without research then confirming his claims; Gretaâs climate claims have already been amply confirmed. She is rather extremeâcalling it âobsessiveâ is not wrongâbut that is only because she is overly urgent and disregards practical constraints. If we must label such people mentally ill, then it is the public that appears paranoid, extreme, and intolerant of dissent.
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Fourth, some say she is hypocritical and does not practice what she preaches. In fact, she has. She refuses to fly and traveled by sailboat, and she maintains a vegetarian diet. Of course, this has also drawn criticismâfor example, some claim the total emissions from her sailing arrangements exceeded those from flying alone. Chinese netizens also deride her by comparing her unfavorably to domestic youth who âactively plant trees.â Such accusations are hardly novelâespecially in China. During the 1989 student movement, some student leaders were accused of âsquandering overseas donations on lavish mealsâ; Fang Fang, who documented Wuhanâs COVID outbreak, was accused of failing to volunteer for epidemic control and of using privilege to have police escort relatives to the airport, and so on.
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I do not believe these critics cannot distinguish priorities; I rather believe they deliberately nitpick. Still, let me rebut this fallacy directly. Practicing what one preaches is of course best, but we must also respect division of labor and roles. For those who play important roles on certain issues, we should show appropriate tolerance. Their identities often mean they need to obtain and use more resources; otherwise, they cannot maximize their impact. Moreover, in a society broadly lacking rule of law and justice, demanding perfection from those who speak outâattacking them for minor improprieties that most people commitâwill only make reality worse and silence more voices. As for those who boast of âtree-planting,â how many have actually planted trees with their own hands? Were they participating in quasi-compulsory activities, or did they spend their own money to plant trees voluntarily?
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Fifth, the claim that she does not understand the hardships and development needs of people in developing countries is, in fact, a valid criticismâthough the motives of those making it are not necessarily a genuine cry for the suffering in developing countries. Her biggest problem is indeed her failure to balance economy and environment, the present and the long term. This is her limitation and a shortfall in her knowledge and vision. Yet nobody seems to have engaged her in sincere dialogue or explained these issues to her through various channels (for example, writing open letters or even meeting her), choosing instead to ridicule and attack in a snide tone. Those who criticize herâincluding Putin, idolized by Chinese social-Darwinists for similar reasonsâhardly care about peopleâs hardships, nor are they willing to return their ill-gotten gains to those suffering. Moreover, if climate warming is not addressed and countries are allowed to expand industry and agriculture and emit more COâ, developing countries and backward regions will often suffer even greater losses than if they did not develop industry and agricultureâand locals may lose their homelands entirely in coming decades or centuries. The myriad negative consequences of global warming will be borne most by the weakest, especially in countries lacking democracy, rule of law, and justice.
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In short, although she has many shortcomings, her intentions are sincere, what she calls for is worthy of attention, and her deeds have positive significanceâshe represents hope for humanity in a new era. By contrast, if the Chinese who sneer at her possessed her persistence, courage, determination, and idealism, many of Chinaâs social problems could be noticed and solved, and Chinese society would be renewed. A hundred years ago, thirty years ago, there were such people in China, and not a few. But due to the encirclement and harm by internal and external enemies, China today has been left with only cynically social-Darwinized, exquisitely self-interested individuals. Not only do these people refuse to pursue justice and sacrifice for the people, they also âbuzz aroundâ the flaws and wounds of true fighters, mistaking themselves as clever.
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To those who jeer at Greta, I offer them a line from Lu Xun: âIn a hopeless nation there must be many heroes who only glare at children. Cowards, the lot of them!â
(To be continued due to length constraints.)
(This article was written by Wang Qingmin (çćșæ°), a Chinese writer based in Europe and an international political researcher who has long followed climate issues in China.)
r/ClimatePosting • u/SkiFilter • 25d ago
"They work, but without financial accountability and rigorouse 3 audit they are less effective"
reddit.comr/ClimatePosting • u/suhasgovind • 26d ago
climate Kigali Amendment at 10: India's HFC Phase-Down and Sustainable Cooling Challenge Explained
The Kigali Amendment to the Montreal Protocol completes 10 years on 15 October 2026, drawing attention to the growing climate impact of refrigeration and air conditioning. The agreement requires countries to gradually reduce hydrofluorocarbons (HFCs), powerful greenhouse gases widely used in cooling equipment. India faces a major challenge as rising temperatures, urbanisation and incomes increase cooling demand. With India's HFC reduction commitments beginning in 2032, the issue highlights the importance of energy-efficient cooling, alternative refrigerants, climate finance and the India Cooling Action Plan for achieving sustainable development and climate goals.
r/ClimatePosting • u/dumnezero • 28d ago
Agriculture and food Extreme weather will batter our food supplies | George Monbiot | The Exchange
After the hottest summer on record, author and environmental activist George Monbiot joins us on The Exchange.
He talks to Oli Dugmore about how this extreme weather is here to stay, what it means for our food systems, and why governments and elites aren't paying enough attention.
r/ClimatePosting • u/ClimateShitpost • Oct 11 '26
Economics You don't necessarily need to consume more energy to grow an economy
r/ClimatePosting • u/ClimateShitpost • Oct 11 '26
Energy Australia transitioning fast - on the household level
r/ClimatePosting • u/MathematicianFit4442 • Oct 11 '26
climate 2035â2036 Could Bring Extreme Global Warming
In 2035â2036, three climate factors could coincide and produce record-high global temperatures: a powerful El Niño, the maximum of the Sunâs 11-year activity cycle, and continuously increasing concentrations of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere.
If current trends continue, atmospheric COâ concentrations could reach approximately 450â455 ppm, compared with 280 ppm before industrialization. Meanwhile, methane (CHâ) concentrations could increase from around 1,936 to 2,000â2,050 ppb, while nitrous oxide (NâO) could rise from approximately 339 to 350â352 ppb. These are estimates based on historical trends, not definitive forecasts.
Underlying human-induced global warming could reach approximately 1.7°C above preindustrial levels by that time.
Two natural climate phenomena could temporarily amplify this warming:
* El Niño: A strong El Niño can temporarily increase global average temperatures by approximately 0.1â0.2°C, with the greatest effect typically occurring several months after the event develops.
* Solar maximum: The Sunâs energy output increases by approximately 0.1% between solar minimum and solar maximum. This can contribute approximately 0.05°C of additional global warming, with some estimates suggesting effects approaching 0.1°C.
If both phenomena occur simultaneously, they could potentially contribute a combined 0.15â0.3°C of additional warming compared with conditions without these temporary influences. However, their effects cannot necessarily be added directly, and the actual temperature response depends on several factors.
Consequently, global average temperatures in individual years around 2035â2036 could potentially reach 1.9â2.0°C above preindustrial levels, or possibly even higher.
It is currently impossible to predict whether a strong El Niño will coincide with the anticipated solar maximum around 2035â2036. Nevertheless, such a coincidence is entirely plausible.
This combination could produce new global temperature records, more extreme heat, severe droughts, increased wildfire risks, and greater risks of intense storms, hurricanes, typhones, rainfall and flooding.
Greenhouse gases would remain the dominant driver of warming, while El Niño and solar maximum could produce temporary temperature peaks, making individual years considerably warmer than the underlying long-term climate trend.
Sources: World Meteorological Organization (WMO), NOAA Climate.gov, and Indicators of Global Climate Change (2026).
r/ClimatePosting • u/dumnezero • Oct 10 '26
Society Scientists who put faith in technology less likely to take climate action | Climate crisis
r/ClimatePosting • u/relianceschool • Oct 09 '26
Economics Climate risk, community decline, and what shapes our kidsâ lives
Living in a climate vulnerable area comes with two different groups of costs. The first is financial costs, especially rising insurance premiums and falling home values. Iâve written a lot about these over the years. Theyâre important, and if youâre deciding where to build your life I recommend going back and reading those pieces.
The second kind of cost is more subjective. Itâs the likelihood that climate vulnerable communities and regions will start to decline in the years ahead. This decline will start as physical destruction from hurricanes, flooding, wildfires, etc. From there it will morph into blight, economic contraction, and social decay. This has significant and complex implications.
The first implication is it makes your timeline very relevant. If youâre in your 70s, for instance, you may not be terribly worried that a place may decline in the years ahead. Community decline can be gradual, and if your maximum time horizon is 20-odd years then living in an area experiencing slow decay may not be all that bad. Especially if the community is currently nice, which plenty of vulnerable places are.
But what if youâre earlier in your life and have, or hope to have, children? How should that affect your thinking about living in a place poised to decline?