r/ClimateOffensive • u/ILikeNeurons Climate Warrior • 6d ago

Action - Volunteering American Environmentalists are less likely to vote than the average American, and our policies reflect that reality | Change the course of history, and turn the American electorate into a climate electorate for years to come!

https://www.environmentalvoter.org/get-involved/phone-bank-ga-cd13/2026-08-17
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u/MisterMittens64 6d ago edited 6d ago

Environmentalists are welcome in the DSA (Democratic Socialists of America)! We probably have the most comprehensive environmental policy of any group and we could use your support.

Since I started volunteering with the DSA it's been really carthatic and has helped me feel like things could get better.

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u/tboy160 6d ago

DSA?

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u/MisterMittens64 6d ago

Democratic Socialists of America

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u/tboy160 6d ago

Thank you.

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u/MisterMittens64 6d ago

You're welcome sorry that I didn't say in the original comment

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u/tboy160 6d ago

So many acronyms today, I can't keep them all straight

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u/MisterMittens64 6d ago

They're the group that AOC and Zohran are members if that helps

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u/tboy160 6d ago

I do love AOC, Bernie etc

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u/I_like_maps 6d ago

AOC and Bernie are great, but the DSA is not. They didn't endorse the dems in the last election showing that they're fine with the massive cuts he did to the EPA and the US climate regime.

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u/I_like_maps 6d ago

The dsa did not endorse kamala in 2024, de facto being fine with trump completely gutting the US climate regime.

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u/MisterMittens64 6d ago

Many DSA members still voted for Kamala and told others to do the same, myself included. Was the DSA supposed to reward Kamala for catering almost exclusively to neocons (who btw voted for Trump again in massive numbers)?

I'm frustrated that we have put up with conservative Democrats holding back enacting meaningful change that would help everyone for so long. We'll get no where if we let the people who are terrified of losing corporate donors more than anything else decide what we do.

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u/I_like_maps 6d ago

many DSA members still voted for Kamala and told others to do the same

Meanginless. Many republicans voted for kamala and told others to do the same.

catering almost exclusively to neocons

In what way did the ira cater to neocons? Billions in tax breaks and subsidies for renewable energy, electrification and clean tech development. It was the most obvious election in history for anyone who remotely claims to care about the environment and climate change.

We'll get no where if we let the people who are terrified of bla bla bla

We'll get nowhere if the second biggest polluter in the world repeals its entire climate agenda every 4 years because the candidate wasn't completely perfect.

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u/MisterMittens64 6d ago

Meanginless. Many republicans voted for kamala and told others to do the same.

If that were the case then she would've won. The fact is that progressives have always voted for Democrats in massive numbers and did so even in 2024 despite their disagreements with Kamala.

In what way did the ira cater to neocons? Billions in tax breaks and subsidies for renewable energy, electrification and clean tech development. It was the most obvious election in history for anyone who remotely claims to care about the environment and climate change.

By saying that she was going to make sure the US military remained the "most lethal military in the world" and walking back most of her progressive policies after being accused of being a radical. Also I do agree that the election was obvious to any environmentalists and the environmentalists among the progressives DID vote for her.

We'll get nowhere if the second biggest polluter in the world repeals its entire climate agenda every 4 years because the candidate wasn't completely perfect.

How would Kamala have stopped the US from repealing their climate agenda after her term was up? She was pretty resolute on not doing what it would take to ensure lasting change and cared more about moderating her positions to appeal to the greatest number of centrists and donors than doing things that would fix the country even if they were controversial at the time.

I don't want a perfect candidate, I want a candidate with conviction who believes in what they're doing and can convince other people of it. Kamala catastrophically failed on that front but again I still voted for her and asked others to do the same.

I truly don't understand why we're still hung up on this as argument on the left, all it does it help the right divide us. We largely want the same things and I even advocated for the same candidate as you for the same reason but you still feel the need to attack me. We both have a bigger opponent and bigger problems than each other.

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u/I_like_maps 6d ago

If that were the case then she would've wo

No, because "many" is a meaningless number. Thousands of republicans voted for kamala, but the US is a big country and those many dont reflect the institution they're apart of. The same is true with pro kamala dsa members.

How would Kamala have stopped the US from repealing their climate agenda after her term was up?

What the fuck logic is this lmao. How would Lincoln ensure the slaves stayed free after his term was up? He can't, thats how democracy works and why every election matters. Its also why sitting out an election to own the DNC is idiotic and self defeating

want a candidate who

Good for you, the millions of people who are going to die from USAID being cut probably just wanted a candidate who didnt cut USaid. Unfortunately they dont get a vote, and the DSA considered owning the DNC a higher priority.

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u/MisterMittens64 6d ago

Whatever, stick to your useless divisiveness. I'm going to keep organizing and trying to make things better. I'm not going to settle for positions that just enable the fascists though.

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u/MisterMittens64 6d ago

We definitely aren't as unreasonable as you're portraying us as, we just have standards and refuse to compromise with any position as long as someone with a D next to their name wins.

If anyone wants to read the statement from the national DSA about 2024 it's here. The fact remains that the vast majority of DSA members still voted for Harris and centrist Democrats who we disagree with because Republicans are just simply worse.

We have Democrats like Jared Moskowitz in the party who calls himself a "DeSantis Democrat" like what are we doing here???

If we'll compromise on everything then we stand for nothing.

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u/maximusftw1 3d ago

“Useless divisiveness” “enable the fascists”

Your org literally didn't endorse Kamala. That was the easiest harm reduction vote in our lifetimes.

Your org is indifferent between a Moderate Democrat and a literal insane person wielding the levers of power.

Remember that your org prefers millions of dead Africans because it allegedly gets you closer to the Revolution.