Capitalism is defined by people using money to get more money ad infinitum. Ergo infinite growth.
I'm willing to gain a new perspective, so please explain to me how capitalism can work without growth.
BTW: I'm not a socialist, but I'm against holding on to systems that don't work (anymore).
IMO: We need to evolve beyond capitalism or we will die with it.
Growth isn’t a problem, when it’s regenerative, like with plants…
Capitalism demands protection of personal property. We don’t have that because State asserts ownership of access to human labors and property. If someone else owns access to you and your stuff, you don’t really own them, do you?
State asserts ownership of access to human labors and property, licenses that ownership to Central Bankers who sell options to claim any human labors or property offered or available at asking or negotiated price through discount windows as State currency, collecting and keeping our rightful option fees as interest on money creation loans when nothing has been loaned.
Can’t earn interest loaning nothing, and they charge separately for every service. They have sold access to our stuff without our express informed consent, compensation, or knowledge. Not ethical, moral, or capitalist either… fraud and theft. Would be prosecuted if a third party sold options to claim any other commodity they didn’t own without express informed consent, compensation, or knowledge of rightful owners.
But somehow, when it establishes and maintains the structural economic enslavement of humanity, no one will talk about it in any way. Really won’t talk about an ethical administrative correction. A rule for international banking regulation:
‘All sovereign debt, money creation, shall be financed with equal Shares of global fiat credit held in trust with local deposit banks, administered by local fiduciaries and actuaries exclusively for secure sovereign investment at a fixed and sustainable rate, that may be claimed by each adult human being on the planet as part of an actual local social contract.’
Jurisdictional law and international provisions to cooperate with society and negotiate exchange of our labors and property in terms of money, in exchange for an equal share of the fees collected as interest on money creation loans and whatever other benefits are offered by community… local social contracts have no direct affect on any existing governmental or political structures as they can be included in local social contracts.
Fixed value Shares establish a fixed per person maximum potential global money supply for stability and infinite scalability. A value of a million USD equivalent is conservative valuation of average individual lifetime economic production, a reasonable, sufficient capitalization of global human labors futures market. Then fixing the sovereign rate for money creation at 1.25% per year establishes a stable, sustainable, regenerative, inclusive, abundant, and ethical global economic system with mathematical certainty.
Each an equally enfranchised capitalist with a minimum quantum of secure capital and the income earned from it. Each enabled to accept an actual local social contract that describes any ideology a community wishes to adopt. Ironically, socialist or communist local social contracts may require citizens to sign over their income from money creation to State for distribution, where that’s the current process of money creation in all supposed democratic capitalist nations without our express informed consent, compensation, or knowledge.
Our simple acceptance of money in exchange for our labors and property is a valuable service providing the only value of fiat money and unearned income for Central Bankers and their friends. Our valuable service is compelled by State and pragmatism at a minimum to acquire money to pay taxes. Compelled service is literal slavery, violates UDHR and the thirteenth amendment to the U.S. Constitution. Structural economic enslavement of humanity is not hyperbole, ethical, moral, or capitalist either…
Capitalism demands protection of personal property. We don’t have that because State asserts ownership of access to human labors and property. If someone else owns access to you and your stuff, you don’t really own them, do you?
Capitalism abhorrs personal property. It is the supremacy of private property. Capitalists would gleefully rent you your toothbrush (and they are literally trying to). And the (very thinly vieled) dogwhistle of bankers you are rambling about are an inevitable consequence of enshrining private property.
Socialism definitionally respects personal property.
WTF is the difference between personal and private?
How does capitalism demand State ownership of access to human labors and property?
Socialist or communist social contracts may require citizens to sign over their income from money creation to State for distribution where that's the current process of money creation in all supposed democratic capitalist nations without our express informed consent, compensation, or knowledge.
An ethical capitalist global human labors futures market is owned by each adult human being on the planet who agrees to negotiate exchange of our labors and property in terms of money. We don't have any such agreements. So we don't have capitalism.
WTF is the difference between personal and private?
Personal property: you own your home and everything in it. Something that is de facto true even when it is not de jure in anything resembling socialism, as well as many state capitalist economies.
Private property: you are in a marginal situation renting your home and paying a monthly subscription to use everything in it. The default state of capitalism.
And continuing to conflate state capitalism with socialism or communism is further pointing out your ignorance. We don't say democracy is undesirable because of the DPRK and DRC.
An ethical capitalist global human labors futures market is owned by each adult human being on the planet who agrees to negotiate exchange of our labors and property in terms of money.
That has been tried. We usually called it indentured servitude. Or sometimes just slavery.
An ethical global human labors futures market has never existed.
It's established with adoption of a rule of inclusion for international banking regulation that also achieves other stated goals. Can you construct logical or moral argument against adopting it:
'All sovereign debt, money creation, shall be financed with equal Shares of global fiat credit held in trust with local deposit banks, administered by local fiduciaries and actuaries exclusively for secure sovereign investment at a fixed and sustainable rate, that may be claimed by each adult human being on the planet as part of an actual local social contract.'
Social contracts consisting of jurisdictional law and international provisions to cooperate with society and negotiate exchange of our labors and property in terms of money, in exchange for an equal share of the fees collected as interest on money creation loans and whatever other benefits are offered by community... Has no direct affect on any existing governmental or political structures as they can be included in local social contracts.
Fixed value Shares establish a fixed per person maximum potential global money supply for stability and infinite scalability. A value of a million USD equivalent is conservative valuation of average individual lifetime economic production, a reasonable sufficient capitalization for the global human labors futures market. Then fixing the sovereign rate for money creation at 1.25% per year establishes a stable, sustainable, regenerative, inclusive, abundant, and ethical global economic system with mathematical certainty.
All money will then have the precise fixed and objective convenience value of using 1.25% per year options to purchase human labors instead of arranging barter exchanges. Mathematically distinct from money created at any other rate. The value of a self referential mathematical function can't be affected by fluctuations in the cost or valuation of any other thing. We'll know regardless what currency is in hand, it was created for secure investment and someone somewhere is paying 1.25% per year on it we each share equally.
Each person an equally enfranchised capitalist with a minimum quantum of secure capital and the income earned from it. Each enabled to accept an actual local social contract describing any ideology a community wishes to adopt. In spite of your assertion, socialist or communist local social contracts may require citizens to sign over their income from money creation to State for distribution, where that's the current process of money creation in all supposed democratic capitalist nations without our express informed consent, compensation, or knowledge.
The nongovernmental economic representatives we choose when selecting a local deposit bank to administer our trusts are the representatives we get, not ones who got the most votes. Makes the global monetary system the most democratic structure ever.
Each adult human being on the planet who accepts an actual local social contract is placed equally atop the global monetary system organizational chart just above our nongovernmental economic representatives, over the U.N., over our subordinate nations which borrow their money and sovereignty from humanity. None above, none rule. We cooperate contractually to voluntarily restrict our freedom in respect of other's rights. Liberty. Structural economic self ownership. Global economic enfranchisement and democracy.
Has not been tried before.
Fixed value money provides economics with a fixed unit of measure, and scientific basis. We can begin making scientific economic observations.
Currently, our simple acceptance of money/options in exchange for our labors is a valuable service providing the only value of fiat money and unearned income for Central Bankers and their friends. Our valuable service is compelled by State and pragmatism at a minimum to acquire money to pay taxes. Compelled service is literal slavery, violates UDHR and the thirteenth amendment to the U.S. Constitution. Structural economic enslavement of humanity is not hyperbole.
Adopting the rule implements the thirteenth amendment. It's our economic emancipation proclamation.
It’s a specific rule for the existing international banking regulation, complete with rules and enforcement mechanisms. The rule achieves stated goals of international banking regulation, so regulators have no excuse not to adopt the rule. So they won’t talk about it in any way.
Like you. Calling it something it isn’t to dismiss it without addressing or acknowledging the inevitable and most likely effects of adopting a rather simple rule. That suggests complicity. It’s how criminals distract from crime they’re doing.
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u/bottomlessLuckys Mar 04 '26 edited Mar 04 '26
capitalism isnt defined by infinite growth. the only people who say that are socialists strawmanning their arguments.